If you want to make a mystery gameboard, use this thread. Don't flood /qst/.The Umineko colored truths script: https://controlc.com/27143a5a>How to use the Red TruthThe Red Truth is a fact that can be presented by the one hosting the mystery (also known as the Witch side) without any evidence or proof to support it. But, while undeniable, it can have multiple interpretations. The multiple interpretations mark a large foothold for the opposing players (also known as the Human side) to attack; therefore, the Red Truth must be used with care. Conversely, a refusal to validate a statement in Red invokes another Devil's Proof; a lack of validation won't prove a statement's truth but can't disprove its falsehood.>How to use the Blue TruthThe Blue Truth is used to present a possibility to counter the logic of the Witch's side. The Blue Truth usually takes the form of a theory to counter the Witch and requires the Red Truth to be confirmed or denied. The Blue Truth must be used in a manner that advances the user's overall theory, rather than simply fishing for more information. Any assertions made in Blue must directly deny the influence of the supernatural in the events of a gameboard's story. The Witch side may delay until the end of the game to challenge Blue Truths; after all, only one puzzle unsolved by any explanation other than magic is enough to sustain the Illusion of the Witch, but one carelessly phrased Red Truth can eliminate the possibility of magic from all of them. One effective denial isn't fatal, but unchallenged denial of magic in all the mysteries becomes a categorical denial of Witches.>How to use the Gold Truth[gold]The Gold Truth[/gold] is on par with the Red Truth, although it may be inferior or superior depending on the situation. It can be explained as a truth constructed from belief that is acknowledged and shared between people. It can be used by anyone who truly understands the gameboard.>How to use Purple Statements[purple]Purple Statements[/purple] are seen as important spoken statements during the narration of a story and they possess the same standing as the Red Truth. However, they are different in that a culprit can lie with Purple. To turn it around, non-culprits can only speak the truth in Purple. What defines a culprit depends on the gameboard, but usually the culprit is one who kills or plans to kill someone during the story.>How to use the Green truth>I seriously hope you guys don't need an explanation for this onePrevious thread: >>4788991
My mystery is complete, I hope you're ready to solve it. It's a simple mystery that involves only humans. Really, it's not that hard. Your goal is to read through the mystery and determine who is the culprit, or the culprits. I won't ask that you explain the howdunnit and whydunnit, but you can feel free to try anyway.Before I begin, let me just warn you that only one answer will be permitted per poster ID. Each of you have only one chance to guess the correct answer, so don't blurt out anything too hastily before I've finished posting the entire mystery. If I catch you cheating I will have you turned into cat litter. Also, you will have 6 hours to submit your answers until I decide to reveal the official solution. If none of you post a solution by then, I will prolong the deadline indefinitely until someone posts the correct solution and proposes the entire theory using Blue Truth. Normally I asked that you post just the whodunnit, but if it comes to this, I will ask that you provide me with the howdunnit as well for the prolonged deadline submission. Otherwise, if just the whodunnit is provided before the 6 hour deadline has passed, proposing the howdunnit and whydunnit will be for your and my amusement only.You don't necessarily need them, but I've also included maps that show the layout of the Ushiromiya mansion and the guesthouse. I don't know how accurate they are, but for the purpose of my mystery, it works: https://imgur.com/a/rk31BqRPlease wait while I post the entire mystery first. Once I make a post containing all the rules, you will have reached the end.
>>4824057https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOFgnKn_T2g-- The First Twilight --Part I"The tragedy of the first twilight was split in two parts. The initial set of murders was discovered in the guesthouse at 06:00 in the morning on the following day. Rosa, who had woken up to check up on Maria in the cousins' room, asked Kumasawa to unlock the door for her."Rosa: "I woke up and wanted to check up on Maria, so [purple]I had Kumasawa unlock the doors in the cousins' room for me.[/purple]"Kumasawa: "[purple]I unlocked the doors to the cousins' room[/purple], but what awaited us inside was a horrible scene."Kanon: "[purple]That's when Nanjo, Shannon and I arrived as well. We saw all of the children laying on the floor, covered in blood...[/purple] it's hard to imagine who could've done this."Nanjo: "Judging by these wounds, [purple]it doesn't take a doctor to know that a person is dead or alive after they have been inspected.[/purple]"Rosa: "[purple]My daughter, my precious Maria... dead! My niece and nephews, all dead![/purple]"Shannon: "[purple]George, to get killed like this...[/purple] this is too cruel."Kanon: "[purple]Jessica is dead[/purple], and I couldn't do anything to protect her."Kumasawa: "Such a gruesome scene, I can't believe someone would do this. [purple]Not even Maria was spared.[/purple]"Oh my, excuse me for interrupting the story so early, but I have to say this, otherwise you might get confused later, the culprit who committed murders in the guesthouse really did kill four people.Rosa: "Shortly afterwards [purple]I told Shannon to use the phone and call everyone from the mansion over.[/purple]"Shannon: "[purple]I tried dialing them, but the call wouldn't connect. It seemed like both the internal and external lines were broken.[/purple]"Nanjo: "I suggested that we should immediately head over to the mansion by foot."Kanon: "Without wasting much time, [purple]we left the Cousins' room and I locked it afterwards.[/purple]"Kumasawa: "[purple]Rosa, Shannon, Kanon, Nanjo and I left the guesthouse, I locked the entrance doors[/purple], and we headed for the mansion. "
>>4824060https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDma4A6A3BcPart II"The second part of the first twilight's tragedy was discovered at 06:30 in the morning, after the group went to the mansion, where the rest of the family members and servants spent the night."Genji: "I was inside the mansion's entrance hall when [purple]I spotted Shannon unlocking the doors and saw Rosa, Shannon, Kanon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo enter the mansion.[/purple]"Natsuhi: "When Krauss and I arrived as well, [purple]the group told us what they had seen in the guesthouse.[/purple]"Krauss: "I ordered to have everyone gather so that we could all inspect the corpses in the guesthouse together."Gohda: " [purple]I was in the kitchen preparing breakfast[/purple] when I heard Kanon calling me to gather in the mansion's entrance hall. "Hideyoshi: "We have all gathered at one point [purple]except for the children, as well as Rudolf and Kyrie who still seemed to be in their guestroom at the mansion.[/purple]"Eva: "I urged everyone to go to their room to see if they were still there, so [purple]I had Genji unlock the doors to Rudolf and Kyrie's guestroom.[/purple]"Shannon: "When we entered, we noticed that [purple]they were in the room, sprawled on the floor.[/purple]"Rosa: "Oh no... [purple]the same had happened to the children in the cousins' room in the guesthouse.[/purple]"Nanjo: "I inspected the bodies hoping they could still be showing signs of life, but it was too late. [purple]Rudolf and Kyrie are dead.[/purple]"Krauss: "[purple]Rudolf, my own brother, dead...[/purple] I couldn't believe it. "Eva: "[purple]Kyrie is also dead.[/purple] Poor Ange, who will take care of her now?"Before you get any weird ideas, no, Ange is not the culprit. She was not on Rokkenjima that day.Hideyoshi: "Prior to unlocking and entering their room, [purple]we determined that this was a closed room. There was also nothing suspicious in the room.[/purple]"Krauss: "Naturally, [purple]we're all here except for the children, so no one is hiding in the room.[/purple]"Genji: "As it turns out, it seems like only a servant could've locked these doors, yet none of us servants have an alibi."Eva: "Not just the servants, no one has an alibi for these two murders."Natsuhi: "After we were done inspecting the room and left, [purple]I had Genji lock the doors to Rudolf's and Kyrie's guestroom.[/purple]"Kumasawa: "[purple]We all left the mansion and I locked the mansion's front doors.[/purple] We then headed back towards the guesthouse."
>>4824063https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcTxd5qQChw-- Third Twilight --Part I"The mystery of the third twilight began at 07:00 in the morning when everyone returned to the guesthouse, only to discover that the bodies of the children were missing."Genji: "When we arrived at the guesthouse, [purple]I unlocked the entrance door, we all went inside, after which I locked the doors again.[/purple]"Gohda: "We made our way upstairs to the cousins' room, [purple]after which I unlocked the doors.[/purple]"Natsuhi: "As we entered, we were shocked to see that [purple]the children were not in the room.[/purple]"Eva: "Rosa, what is the meaning of this? Where are the children? Where is George?!"Rosa: "I don't know, I'm as surprised as you are, [purple]they were all here this morning when we first arrived.[/purple] Look, [purple]there's even traces of blood on the floor.[/purple]"Kumasawa: "Yes! I swear! [purple]The children were all here in the room when we checked up on them this morning.[/purple]"Nanjo: "I can assure you that [purple]when Rosa, Shannon, Kanon, Kumasawa and I went into the cousins' room this morning, Jessica, George, Battler, and Maria were laying on the floor.[/purple] It's unlikely that any of them were still alive."Kanon: "Besides, [purple]after Rosa, Shannon, Kumasawa, Nanjo and I left the guesthouse, we went straight to the mansion. We couldn't have moved their bodies.[/purple]"Krauss: "Well, [purple]none of us could have moved the bodies while we were inspecting Rudolf and Kyrie's guestroom[/purple], either."Rosa: "[purple]It must have been someone other than us who moved the bodies.[/purple]"Hideyoshi: "There's no point in arguing over this right now, we should instead see if they are hiding somewhere else in the guesthouse. Whoever did this could be hiding in the guesthouse right now."Eva: "Asides from the facts that [purple]the cousins' room was locked when we arrived, the children were not inside it, and that there were traces of blood on the floor[/purple], there wasn't much else in the room."Shannon: "We finished inspecting the cousins' room after which [purple]we left and I locked the doors.[/purple]"
>>4824064https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GxfJ40eDasPart II"The real tragedy of the third twilight occured at 07:30 in the morning inside the guesthouse as the group was investigating the upper floor. However, the first person to go downstairs seems to have been murdered."Natsuhi: "After searching all of the rooms on the upper floor of the guesthouse, [purple]we didn't find any of the missing bodies.[/purple]"Kumasawa: "[purple]I saw Shannon go downstairs first[/purple] while the rest of us were still upstairs."Rosa: "Eventually we all went downstairs and we were shocked to see [purple]Shannon laying dead on the floor in the lobby.[/purple]"Nanjo: " [purple]I inspected her body and determined she was dead.[/purple] It must have been a quick death."Krauss: "[purple]We destroyed Shannon's master key[/purple] to prevent misuse later on."From now on, Kanon is treated as being killed. Also, Kanon's master key is treated as being destroyed.Genji: "We were all still upstairs when Shannon was killed, so [purple]none of us could've killed her.[/purple]"Gohda: "I went to check the entrance doors, [purple]but they were still locked, so the culprit couldn't have escaped outside.[/purple]"Hideyoshi: "Since there's a chance that the culprit was hiding somewhere on the ground floor of the guesthouse, [purple]we decided to fully inspect the guesthouse.[/purple]"Eva: "Despite checking every nook and cranny, [purple]we didn't find the missing bodies nor the culprit.[/purple] It was probably better if we were to return to the mansion."Natsuhi: "I suggested it's best to [purple]lock every room in the guesthouse and seal the doors with packing tape[/purple] before leaving, just [purple]to make sure no one gets in or out of the guesthouse until the police arrive.[/purple]"Genji: "Once we all left the guesthouse, [purple]I locked it and had it sealed away.[/purple]"The group sealed the rooms at the same time they left. No culprit joined the group as they left. Also, all of the seals on the rooms in the guesthouse and the guesthouse itself will not be broken.
>>4824065https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ZvuaqK66g-- Fourth Twilight --"After their unsuccessful attempt at locating the culprit inside the guesthouse, the group decided to return back to the mansion. However, it would appear that sealing the guesthouse wouldn't stop the murders from occuring further. The tragedy of the fourth twilight was discovered at 09:00 in the morning."Natsuhi: "We returned to the mansion and [purple]had Kumasawa unlock the entrance doors for us, after which we locked them again.[/purple]"Hideyoshi: "[purple]As a group, we all first went to the parlor to come up with a plan[/purple], since we were clearly up against someone with ill intent."Eva: "We eventually agreed it would be best that [purple]Krauss, Rosa, Natsuhi, Hideyoshi, Genji and I go to the top floor's study and grab some guns[/purple], while the rest should wait in the parlor."Genji: "[purple]I had to accompany them since they needed someone with a master key to unlock the study's door for them.[/purple]"Kumasawa: "Once they left, [purple]it was just Gohda, Nanjo and me in the parlor.[/purple]"Gohda: "Shortly afterwards, [purple]Doctor Nanjo stood up, excused himself, left the parlor and went to the bathroom.[/purple]"Krauss: "[purple]When Eva, Rosa, Natsuhi, Hideyoshi, Genji and I returned to the parlor, we noticed that Nanjo was missing.[/purple]"Rosa: "Nanjo should have returned by now, so we decided to go over to the bathroom as a group to check whether he was alright. However, by the time we arrived, the bathroom was unlocked, and [purple]it seemed like he was already attacked.[/purple]"Genji: "[purple]Krauss inspected Doctor Nanjo's body and confirmed his death.[/purple]"Hideyoshi: "He never should've left the parlor by himself. In any case, [purple]Krauss, Eva, Rosa, Natsuhi, Genji and I couldn't have killed him, since we were still in the study upstairs grabbing the guns.[/purple]"Kumasawa: "[purple]Gohda and I remained in the parlor the whole time until we all went to the bathroom together as a group, so neither of us could have attacked him either.[/purple]"
>>4824066Eva: "Since the front doors of the mansion were locked, [purple]the culprit could have entered the mansion through the kitchen's doors if it was unlocked.[/purple]"Gohda: "[purple]That's impossible! I made sure both kitchen doors were locked since this morning.[/purple]"Natsuhi: "There was no point in doubting each other right now, so instead [purple]we finished inspecting the bathroom. We didn't find the culprit[/purple], but we knew how we would proceed further."Krauss: "We would split into three groups and inspect the mansion that way."Eva: "[purple]Hideyoshi and Genji would be in my group and we would remain here and inspect every room on the ground floor.[/purple]"Natsuhi: "[purple]Kumasawa, Krauss, and I would go upstairs and inspect one half of the first floor.[/purple]"Rosa: "[purple]Gohda and I would also go upstairs and explore the other half of the first floor.[/purple]"Previous post was too long, so I had to split it in two.
>>4824069https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSQO0I5FHoc-- Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Twilight --"It would appear that splitting up was not a good idea. The fifth, sixth, and seventh twilights have all been carried out in one go. The victims have been discovered at 10:00 in the morning."Krauss: "We finished inspecting the first floor without much luck, but [purple]when we returned downstairs, we couldn't immediately find Eva, Hideyoshi, and Genji.[/purple]"Kumasawa: "We eventually went over to Eva and Hideyoshi's guestroom. [purple]The doors were locked, so I unlocked them and we went inside.[/purple]"Rosa: "Again, tragedy has struck. [purple]All three of them have been killed.[/purple]"Natsuhi: "[purple]With those wounds, it's unlikely they could have survived. Eva, Hideyoshi, and Genji are dead.[/purple]"Krauss: "To what little it mattered, [purple]we destroyed Genji's master key.[/purple]"Gohda: "The same scenario as before, [purple]it seemed like they were killed inside a closed room, yet Krauss, Natsuhi, Kumasawa, Rosa and I were all on the upper floor when this could have happened.[/purple]"Rosa: "[purple]We inspected the room and didn't find anyone else besides us in here, the culprit wasn't hiding in the room.[/purple] But it would seem that it is as Gohda says, [purple]none of us could have killed them.[/purple]"Kumasawa: "Then it was probably someone with a master key that we don't know of!"Krauss: "That's not possible, [purple]there's only two master keys left, the one you have, Kumasawa, and the one on Gohda.[/purple]"
>>4824072https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O18lICr-5Q-- Eight Twilight --"The eight, and the final twilight, occured at 10:15 in the morning. The corpses so far have been discovered inside the guesthouse, mansion, and even outside the mansion. Is nowhere safe? Could it be that none of them will survive the day?"Kumasawa: "Suddenly, [purple]Natsuhi lost her composure and stormed outside the mansion, unlocking the front doors.[/purple]"Rosa: "We followed after her, but by the time we got out, [purple]Natsuhi's corpse was laying on the ground outside the mansion.[/purple]"Krauss: "Damn it! [purple]Even Natsuhi has been killed![/purple]"Gohda: "It doesn't matter where we are, the murders have occurred both inside and outside the mansion. It's only a matter of time until we're all killed!"Krauss: "Perhaps it's the kids! [purple]Most of us never got to see their bodies.[/purple]"Rosa: "[purple]It couldn't have been the kids, they were all dead.[/purple] Kumasawa was with me, she saw them as well!"Kumasawa: "I don't want to think that way, that's too horrible. [purple]The children would never kill their own parents![/purple]"Krauss: "The same could be said for us! [purple]I could never kill Jessica! None of the parents could ever kill their own children.[/purple]"Gohda: "[purple]If none of the children killed any of their parents, and none of the parents have killed their own children[/purple], then who could've done all of this?"Krauss: "[purple]It couldn't have been any of the dead servants or Nanjo either, since their deaths have been confirmed by now.[/purple]"Kumasawa: "Awawawa... what are we supposed to do now? How do we avoid getting killed?"The curtain is lowered on this tale, for now...
>>4824077https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNl4PNFubvQRules:The definition of 'culprit' is 'one who murders'.It is possible for a culprit to lie.It is possible for a culprit to lie even before committing murder.Characters who are not culprits only speak the truth.Characters who are not culprits may not cooperate with a culprit.A culprit must carry out all murders directly, by their own hands.A culprit must not die.A culprit must be among the characters appearing in the story.Purple statements have the same power as red truth. Only the culprit can lie in purple statements.Outside of spoken statements, there are no lies in the narration.Only one answer will be permitted per poster ID. Each of you have only one chance to guess the correct answer.You have 6 hours to submit your answers, until I decide to reveal the official solution.Regarding master keys:All doors can only be locked or unlocked with a master key.Of course, it is possible to lock or unlock the doors from inside the room even without a master key.We'll consider master keys to be the only keys that exist.There are five master keys total. One is held by each of the five servants.The servants keep the master keys on their person at all times, so it is impossible for them to be stolen, handed over, or used by any human other than themselves.Layout of the mansion and the guesthouse: All of the windows have steel bars on them, so it's impossible to enter or leave by them.The whole guesthouse can be sealed by sealing the guesthouse's entrance door.And finally, I guarantee that it is possible to pinpoint the culprit with this information.However, if you happen to find a solution that I don't deem official, I might still accept it as long as you can fit all the Purple Statements together without any contradictions and with a proper explanation. I can't promise that this mystery is perfect, since I don't have a referee who could check for any possible mistakes I may have made.With all of that being said, I will no longer give you any Red Truths or hints. You're on your own. Talk amongst each other and come up with the solution together if you want, I don't mind. I didn't exactly plan to give out a special reward for the first person to come up with the solution anyway.Good luck.
OP is my cat.
Give me some time. This seems difficult.
oh boy lets go
>>4824080I suppose I should've said it earlier, but if you want to present an answer, simply use Blue to tell me who you think the culprits are. Anything not said in Blue won't count as a submission. Asides from that, you can speak out loud as much as you want. I won't bite.
Pls i am out don't post the solution in the nect 2 hours pls
>>4824194I will post the solution in about 5 hours from now only if someone presents me with the correct answer by that time. Otherwise, I'll have to prolong the deadline and make it harder for you to come up with an answer. After all, right now I only ask for the whodunnit, but once the deadline is up, the whodunnit and howdunnit will be required in your submission, otherwise your answer won't count as valid. If the who and the how match, I will accept the answer, otherwise we might never see the official solution.
>>4824057>>4824060>>4824063>>4824064>>4824065>>4824066>>4824069>>4824072>>4824077>>4824080make a PDF or fuck off
>>4824234Why do you care? Delete your post and go away, you're distracting my theory crafting.
>>4824057>mapsFor this kind of mystery, it's more about locating true purple statements, once you do that, you can start focusing on individuals who may be lying.Honestly maps aren't necessary in most cases.Hell, the purple mystery spin off manga didn't have one, and that is perfectly solvable without a map.
Wow this one is a long one.
>>4824060I know you said you weren't going to provide red truths, but I would politely ask that you define who children refers to in [purple]"We saw all of the children laying on the floor, covered in blood..."[/purple] using the red truth.
How come Shannon and Kanon are shown talking to each other in the first post, yet in the fourth post Shannon is declared dead in purple but Kanon is being treated as being killed in red? Are they the same person or separate individuals in this game?
Since you've given me to chance to not explain myself... I won't... not yet (mostly because I still can't figure out exact killers for anyone other than Shannon+Kanon, Nanjo and Natsuhi).What I will do is present my culprits:[blue]Battler is a culprit.[/blue][blue]Rosa is a culprit.[/blue][blue]Gohda is a culprit.[/blue]I know I still have time, but I just can't think of anyone other than these three.
Since you've given me the chance to not explain myself... I won't... not yet (mostly because I still can't figure out exact killers for anyone other than Shannon+Kanon, Nanjo and Natsuhi).What I will do is present my culprits:Battler is a culprit.Rosa is a culprit.Gohda is a culprit.I know I still have time, but I just can't think of anyone other than these three.
>>4824356I meant to use blue for the following:[blue]Battler is a culprit.[/blue][blue]Rosa is a culprit.[/blue][blue]Gohda is a culprit.[/blue]
>>4824356Those were my immediate thought-of suspects as well. Battler's situation is suspicious, and Rosa is the one who makes the sweeping idea of the children being dead, with no one actually confirming Battler's death separately.
>>4824356yeah I was gonna post battler/rosa/gohda theory as well, guess I need to find a new one now but that one seems the most obvious at first glance
>>4824304I thought it was obvious? Fine, I'll say it for you, since Bern won't. The children refers to Jessica, George, Maria, and Battler.>>4824340Wasn't this one obvious as well? Looks like some of you might need to brush up on your knowledge about the visual novel Umineko no Naku Koro ni. This game is set up so that everybody knows about the connection between Shannon and Kanon. You're hopeless if you need me to explain what even that means.
>>4824234>>4824248Go make one yourself, you pukespittle!>>4824366Lambda!! Who said you could interfere!?
I noticed that the Second Twilight is skipped. Can you confirm in red as to whether or not this was a mistake?
>>4824361>>4824362You have to suspect one of the cousins of murder and Battler is the most suspicious, with only Rosa saying that he is dead.Gohda leaves the door unlocked for him to enter the mansion and says the culprit couldn't escape the guesthouse (which is false), so he must be a culprit.Of course, Rosa who says that he is dead is lying and is therefore also a culprit.
>>4824356>>4824360Finally, the first submission. I won't ask for the howdunnit, you're right, but I still want to hear the rest of your reasoning. You know, just for fun.>>4824372I did in fact mess up. I meant to write "Second twilight" instead of "Third twilight". It doesn't change anything in the story.>On the second twilight, those who remain shall tear apart the two who are close.>On the third twilight, those who remain shall praise my noble name.Third twilight was meant to be skipped, as it doesn't mention any killings. So it should go first > second > fourth > fifth + sixth + seventh > eight.>>4824375Never mind, this is adequately amusing. Very well, we shall see whether you were right or wrong. There's still about 4 hours left for others to make their submissions.
The biggest struggle I have with my theory is the red statement about the culprit who commited murder in the guesthouse only killing four people.I wasn't sure if this was refering to the deaths in the cousins' room exclusively, allowing someone else to kill Shannon+Kanon, or if a culprit would have to kill all four of those who died in the guesthouse.If the latter is true then I'd be stuck, since Battler needs to kill more people later and no one else can kill Shannon+Kanon.The current way I work around this is by having Battler kill Shannon+Kanon outside the guesthouse, allowing the total murders commited inside the guesthouse to be three. This means if Gohda just kills one more person and Rosa kills the rest then everything works out.
>>4824385My only issue is locking the cousins room door between 6:00-7:00. Eva states that cousin room was locked when they arrived. I guess you could argue gohda arrived slightly early locked the door, and then unlocked it when the grp caught up to him, but that seems weird? That's why I didnt submit this theory yet.
>>4824386If Gohda was outside the guesthouse the entire time and waited for everyone to leave, then he could hop inside, drag out the bodies with Battler, leave and lock everything up. Then he could rejoin everyone by entering through the kitchen door.
Can a culprit tell the truth in their statements? Or is everything they say a lie?
>>4824409Yes, Erika. Not everything the culprit says is a lie. The keyword here is can, they can lie if they want to. I've already stated that in the rules, so I'm not going to repeat myself: >>4824080Pathetic.
Ok i am here
>>4824467Thanks for announcing that, anon. We all definitely needed to know.
Tackling the first twilight and third TwilightThere are 6 deaths, of which only 2 are confirmed.Due to the red truth stating the person who committed the murders in the guest house only killing 4 people, of the 4 unconfirmed deaths 2 must still be alive. One or both of the individuals who are alive are hiding among the bodies in the cousins room, one of these individuals in the room moved the bodies out of the room while everyone else was distracted, and killed Shannon/Kanon whose deaths were confirmed with the red truth.Shannon and Kanon are confirmed Truthsayers due to the red truth confirming their deaths.As for the later twilights, I have settled on Rosa being a potential culprit. Who committed the murders on the first twilight. I'm split on Gohda and Kumasawa. It's also suspect that Kumasawa was with Rosa for Natsuhi's death.I can confidently give answers for all of the twilights.FIRST TWILIGHT:[blue]Rosa killed Jessica and George in the Guest house, and killed Rudolf and Kyrie in the mansion. Battler locks the door from the inside of the cousins room. When the group returns from the mansion, Gohda lies about unlocking the door.[/blue] SECOND TWILIGHT:[blue]Battler, moves Maria, who is still alive, and the bodies of George and Jessica from the cousins room to inside a different location in the guesthouse. Then once the group moves to check the upper floors, Battler begins to move them to an unknown location on the property, when Shannon/Kanon catches him in the act, and he promptly kill them. Battler then escapes through the front door of the Guesthouse, which Gohda lies about being locked. Maria stays locked in the unknown location for the rest of the game.[/blue]FORTH TWILIGHT[blue]Kumasawa and Gohda attack Nanjo, and kill him. They are both lying about staying in the parlor.[/blue]FIFTH, SIXTH, and SEVENTH TWILIGHT[blue] Gohda kills Eva, Hideyoshi, and Genji. Rosa provides him with an alibi. Kumasawa does not lie about unlocking the door. [/blue]EIGHTH TWILIGHT[blue] Natsuhi figures out that Rosa, Kumasawa, and Gohda are behind the recent killings. She runs out of the mansion only to be killed by Battler. He then hides somewhere on the property once again.[/blue][blue]My culprits are as followed:BattlerRosaGohdaKumasawa[/blue]
Tackling the first twilight and third TwilightThere are 6 deaths, of which only 2 are confirmed.Due to the red truth stating the person who committed the murders in the guest house only killing 4 people, of the 4 unconfirmed deaths 2 must still be alive. One or both of the individuals who are alive are hiding among the bodies in the cousins room, one of these individuals in the room moved the bodies out of the room while everyone else was distracted, and killed Shannon/Kanon whose deaths were confirmed with the red truth.Shannon and Kanon are confirmed Truthsayers due to the red truth confirming their deaths.As for the later twilights, I have settled on Rosa being a potential culprit. Who committed the murders on the first twilight. I'm split on Gohda and Kumasawa. It's also suspect that Kumasawa was with Rosa for Natsuhi's death.I can confidently give answers for all of the twilights.FIRST TWILIGHT:[blue]Rosa killed Jessica and George in the Guest house, and killed Rudolf and Kyrie in the mansion. Battler locks the door from the inside of the cousins room. When the group returns from the mansion, Gohda lies about unlocking the door. [/blue]SECOND TWILIGHT:[blue] Battler, moves Maria, who is still alive, and the bodies of George and Jessica from the cousins room to inside a different location in the guesthouse. Then once the group moves to check the upper floors, Battler begins to move them to an unknown location on the property, when Shannon/Kanon catches him in the act, and he promptly kill them. Battler then escapes through the front door of the Guesthouse, which Gohda lies about being locked. Maria stays locked in the unknown location for the rest of the game. [/blue]FORTH TWILIGHT[blue] Kumasawa and Gohda attack Nanjo, and kill him. They are both lying about staying in the parlor. [/blue]FIFTH, SIXTH, and SEVENTH TWILIGHT[blue] Gohda kills Eva, Hideyoshi, and Genji. Rosa provides him with an alibi. Kumasawa does not lie about unlocking the door. [/blue]EIGHTH TWILIGHT[blue] Natsuhi figures out that Rosa, Kumasawa, and Gohda are behind the recent killings. She runs out of the mansion only to be killed by Battler. He then hides somewhere on the property once again. [/blue][blue] My culprits are as followed: [/blue][blue] Battler [/blue][blue] Rosa [/blue][blue] Gohda [/blue][blue] Kumasawa [/blue]
OK BEFORE TRYING TO SOLVE ITSAY WITH RED THAT KANON AND SHANNON HAVE A DIFFERENT BODY
>>4824512See: >>4824366Kanon and Shannon are considered 1 entity. If one of them dies, they both die.
>>4824509Interesting, a theory different from the one that was already proposed. Very well, we shall see if either of them were correct.>>4824512I will not. Refer to what Lambda blurted out earlier and figure out what that means on your own: >>4824366
>>4824519so if Shannon is the culprit she can't kill her Kanon personality and obtain the status of culprit and fake his won death?
>>4824080After writing everything down on paper (evidence I can provide if necessary), compared truths, made lists of confirmed deaths and statements, I've come to the conclusion that:[blue]Battler is a culprit.[/blue][blue]Gohda is a culprit[/blue][blue]Rosa is a culprit[/blue]Yes, I killed them all with small bombs.
>>4824553I'm interested to see your thought process in proving Kumasawa's innocence.
What a great mystery! This is much more high quality and more thought out then that Sneed mystery! sadly i won't be able to participate in your mystery for long due to my workload until Monday, but i wanted to show some support!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENL0nPskSaoIn part one of your mystery kumasawa said [purple]Rosa, Shannon, Kanon, Nanjo and I left the guesthouse, I locked the entrance doors[/purple] Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly everyone on the island understands that Shannon and kanon are the same person? If so then do they talk about shannon and kanon as if they were separate people out of respect to yasu? Moving on you said in red that [red] the culprit who committed murders in the guesthouse really did kill four people[/red] which is ambiguous enough for us to assume that the culprit didn't necessarily kill everyone who died in the guesthouse but that he did kill at least ONE person in the guest house and at least FOUR people in total. Going back to the suspects in part one, Dr.nanjo states [purple]it doesn't take a doctor to know that a person is dead or alive after they have been inspected.[/purple] Which if he's telling the truth means that doctor nanjos role in the story loses a significant amount of importance due to anybody being able to tell who's dead or not. I personally believe he's lying about this due to the fact that if anybody can check the body to see if they're dead or not then my theories about certain people like natsuhi faking her death goes out the window.In part two of the mystery My gut's telling me that it's highly suspicious that none of the people in the guest house decided to tell Kyrie and Rudolf that their son is dead. also Kyria and Rudolf are never stated to be dead from Shannon and Rosa with shanoon saying [purple] they were in the room, sprawled on the floor[/purple] and with Rosa saying [purple] the same had happened to the children in the cousins' room in the guesthouse.[/purple] and if we go off the theory that dr.nanjo is one of the culprits then Theirs a chance Kyrie and Rudolf aren't really dead. I'll explain how in my blue theory.Moving on to the next few posts we can confirm that shannon/kanon are indeed dead due to the red truth sated here [red]From now on, Kanon is treated as being killed. Also, Kanon's master key is treated as being destroyed.[/red] due to me running out of time i'm just gonna quickfire some points, Krauss is the only one who said genji master key was destroyed and that he claimed only ghoda and kumasawa had a master key left. I firmly believe that Ghoda is the only innocent person here and that everyone has a part in the mystery. The only people that are really dead are Yasu, Rudolf, Kyrie, and Dr.nanjo OR it's Yasu, Eva, Hideyoshi , and genji Or if it's confirmed that genii key will disappear in red once he dies then replace him with dr. nanjo. What do you all think? this level of reasoning is possible for the great Turkish detective!
>>4824559I think Battler could have killed Nanjo, since gohda lied about the kitchen door, so there are no victims left for kumasawa. The map even supports this theory since the bathroom is right next to the kitchen.
>>4824569I agree 100%. Kumasawa doesn't need to commit any murder, so why make her a culprit?The trio of Rosa, Gohda and Battler can do all of it without her help.
>>4824080does "Of course, it is possible to lock or unlock the doors from inside the room even without a master key." also apply to mansion and guesthouse door? or only the rooms within them
>>4824569My only issue is that Kumasawa and Rosa both went out and witnessed Natsuhi's body. The timing from Kumasawa's own description means she had to have at least seen or heard something. We know Rosa is lying by default, but since Kumasawa didn't report anything specific, then she has to be in on it.
>>4824602I guess it's like Bern said, Kumasawa being a culprit or not are both valid answers. I'll try to reread the whole thing and see if something breaks if Kumasawa is also a culprit, but if not then refer to my first sentence in this post.
>>4824528If Kanon is killed Shannon is killed, if Shannon is killed, Kanon is killed.No Exceptions.This is stated to be on the level of red truth.
>>4824602Why can't Battler kill Natsuhi?
[blue]Maria[/blue][blue]Battler[/blue][blue]Rosa[/blue][blue]Kumasawa[/blue][blue]Kumasawa lied about Maria's death.[/blue][blue]This was all planned by Rosa so she can steal the gold for herself and start a new family with Battler.[/blue]
Italianon herethe only possibility is [blue] Battler, Gohda and Rosa are the culprits [/blue]Even if feel very strange
>>4824617I have Battler killing Natsuhi, I just think that Kumasawa has to have seen or heard something, so the fact that she says nothing speaks volumes. Especially with how fast Kumasawa seems to state that they followed Natsuhi.
I've come to the same conclusion as this anon >>4824509 but I'm not sure if having Maria stay alive would make her an accomplice (which this game cant have without her also being a culprit). So I'll leave here an alternative, very out there proposal with Maria taking Battler's place just in case.[blue] Rosa is a culprit [/blue][blue] Gohda is a culprit [/blue][blue] Kumasawa is a culprit [/blue][blue] Maria is a culprit [/blue]How did Maria carry the bodies and commit a murder? Magic, kihihihahaha
>>4824602I went back to the story as I said I would:If kumasawa is a culprit the following things can happen: Maria could(keyword: could) still be alive. Kumasawa can kill Nanjo. Eva's room could be unlocked already, which allows battler to kill them as well, but it's still likely that it was rosa/gohda combo. The rest is what you said: Kumasawa could have been par of Natsuhi's death. Nothing that'd break the story, even if you need to fit Maria as a culprit you could say she killed Natsuhi. There's probably more but I already spent most of my brain power on solving it
>>4824553Why, yes, of course. It was the small bombs all along! >>4824559I'm interested to see where you've stored Maria. Are you saying she was acting as an accomplice? I'll have to remind you, there are no accomplices in this story. Only culprits and non-culprits, and if someone is a culprit, that means they must have killed at least one person during the story. Are you implying Maria killed someone? Not gonna ask you to change your stance or your submission, not that you can anymore, I'm just curious. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your submission?>>4824564While perhaps a scenario where everyone is in on it might exist, that would make for a very confusing mystery. Who knows, maybe you're right.>>4824582A hallway is still a room, and if an entrance door is in the hallway, I don't see why those doors couldn't be locked or unlocked from within without a master key. But to answer your question, yes, it applies.>>4824618>>4824632Interesting, more Maria culprit theories.
>>4824622My theory to anyone who already post his Battler killed Jessica,George and Maria, closed his room and faked his death.after the gorup went to the mansion he escape with the bodies and Gohda fake the find the door Open.Since Gohda left the kitchen alone, Battler could killed Nanjo.Rosa and Gohda faked to inspect the 1st floor and killed Eva,Hideyoshi and Nanjo, Gohda closed the room and finnally theoy went to the first floor.Battler killed Natsuhi when she exit.how i discover thsi solutionsince Kanon's death is confirmed with red then all Shannon and Kanon sentence are truth.this confirm Jessica and George death, + the room was closed and since everyone else excpet the kids can't open the door someone inside must had faken his death.BUT THIS IMPLY THAT THE DOOR MUST BEING OPEN DURING THE 2ND INSPECTION AND THIS CONFIRM GOHDA ACCOMPLICE.Rosa is confirmed culprit because if not all the kids must being alive.ABSURD
>>4824622 My theory to anyone who already post hisBattler killed Jessica,George and Maria, closed his room and faked his death.after the group went to the mansion, he escaped with the bodies and Gohda fake to find the door Open.Since Gohda left the kitchen open, Battler could killed Nanjo.Rosa and Gohda faked to inspect the 1st floor and killed Eva,Hideyoshi and Nanjo, Gohda closed the room and finnally they went to the first floor.Battler killed Natsuhi when she exit from the mansion.how i discover this solutionsince Kanon's death is confirmed with red then all Shannon and Kanon sentences must being true.this confirm Jessica and George death, + the room was closed and since everyone else excpet the kids can't open the door someone inside must had faken his death.BUT THIS IMPLY THAT THE DOOR MUST BEING OPEN DURING THE 2ND INSPECTION AND THIS CONFIRM GOHDA ACCOMPLICE.Rosa is confirmed culprit because if not all the kids must being death.ABSURD
>>4824647I would argue that Maria being trapped with the cousins' bodies implies that she is being restrained there partially against her will.Rosa left Maria alive because she couldn't kill her, and Battler's job was to make sure that Maria couldn't talk or squeal. That is to say that Maria could have been incapacitated in some form when the bodies were first discovered. I think the important thing that allows this is the fact that Krauss' statement is that " [purple] None of the parents could ever kill their own children [/purple] " this says nothing about the parents hurting or potentially non lethally harming their children, such has knocking their own child out. Basically in my mind, Maria can still be alive and out of the picture without being an accomplice. As for where they are located? I mean, the secret golden land is probably the most likely location.
>>4824077One thing that seems fishy is this. Narration(no lies):>The corpses so far have been discovered inside the guesthouse, mansion, and even outside the mansionWas there a corpse discovered outside the mansion until this part of the story? Or could the guesthouse murders count as a "murder occuring outside the mansion"
>>4824690Kumasawa couldnt have left the guesthouse open during the first twilight since Genji unlocks them later on, so its safe to think Maria/Battler were still in the guesthouse then. I think Godha or Kumasawa could have opened the guesthouse door to let them leave during the Shannon/Kanon investigation, letting Battler hide Maria in the woods and stay hidden until he kills Natsuhi.
>>4824692The second line in the post you replied to states a murder occured outside the mansion.
Never mind I guess that is somewhat odd but doesn't really throw out anything yet
>>4824647Also one more thought and maybe a funny little loophole. For the sake of argument, I'll say that Maria is an accomplice. See the following for my explanation. Battler brings Jessica, George, and the still alive, but incapacitated Maria to the secret golden land. Battler then leaves. Maria wakes and while looking around the room, flips the switch for the bomb on the island at some point, and doesn't flip it back. She inadvertently kills everyone on the island, and somehow manages to survive by going down the secret passage. >>4824704See: >>4824509Battler kills Shannon while in the process of moving the bodies. That is when Gohda lies about the guesthouse being locked.
>>4824705I dont think that counts considering Natsuhi's death happened after the narration said that, using the word "so far"
>>4824692I may have worded it poorly, but I'll let you interpret it however you want for now.
>>4824360I guess I can explain my personal thoughts on the ‘how’.First Twilight:[blue]Rosa kills Rudolf and Kyrie. Gohda locks the door.[/blue][blue]Gohda kills Maria, George and Jessica inside the cousins’ room. Battler fakes his death, locking the door from the inside.[/blue][blue]Battler moves the corpses of the cousins into a room downstairs while everyone is discovering Rudolf and Kyrie’s corpses.[/blue]Third Twilight:[blue]Gohda lies about the door to the cousins’ room being locked. While everyone is upstairs, Battler moves the corpses of the cousins outside. Shannon+Kanon discover him and he kills them, dragging their corpse back into the guesthouse. Gohda comes downstairs and locks the entrance after Battler leaves.[/blue]Fourth Twilight:[blue]Gohda had left the kitchen door unlocked, allowing Battler inside the mansion. Battler kills Nanjo and returns outside.[/blue]Fifth, Six and Seventh Twilights:[blue]Rosa and Gohda kill Eva, Hideyoshi and Genji. One of them is killed by Gohda, while the other two are killed by Rosa.[/blue]Eighth Twilight:[blue]Battler kills Natsuhi as she exits the mansion.[/blue]Epilogue:[blue]Gohda restrains Kumasawa, Battler appears and Rosa shoots Krauss. Kumasawa is terrified as Rosa aims her weapon straight at her. Wolves and Sheep Puzzle.[/blue]
Alright since batler/ghoda/rosa theory is 2 popular, heres my brainlet theory. [blue] rudolf , kraus , nanjo, kumasawa are the culprits [/blue][blue] Kumasawa kills the 4 children in the morning,kraus stays in the cousin room till the bodies are found. After the bodies are found, he opens both doors and hurries to the mansion. For rudolf to be alive, kraus and nanjo have to be lying. After the room inspection of rudolf/kyrie room, rudolf unlocks the door, sprints to guesthouse (mansion door isn’t locked before the grp leaves), disposes of bodies and locks guesthouse door and then hides himself in cousin room. As for shanon kill, rudolf sneaked out of cousin room while the grp was searching other rooms, killed shanon that was downstairs and went to the mansion, which was unlocked because kumasawa didnt lock it. Nanjo body was inspected by krauss so the death can be faked. Genji,eva,hideyoshi are killed by nanjo, the door was “unlocked” by kumasawa so it was never locked in the first place. As for natsuhi, she was killed by kraus(lol) outside, after which kumasawa “faked” natsuhi storming outside the mansion. [/blue] Possible I made a mistake somewhere but I didn't want to try to repeat using batler theory as someone already posted it.
So many great theories. Please, keep them coming. There should still be a bit over an hour left until the deadline. Wouldn't it be hilarious if none of you got the correct solution?
Please elaborate. Is Kinzo dead at the start of the story?
>>4824865He doesn't appear in the story so he doesn't matter.Refer to the red statement in the rules that says only characters appearing in the story can be culprits.>>4824080
>>4824865Like the person above me said, Kinzo was never mentioned in the story, so it's safe to assume he simply wasn't there.Had a power outage, hopefully my ID didn't change.
>>4824867Yeah, just a thought that if we knew about Kanon=Shanon, why can't we know about Kinzo? With that fact I think that [blue]Culprits are Battler, Rosa, Maria, Kumasawa and Gohda.[/blue] Rosa wouldn't let anyone touch even a hair on Maria's head. So I doubt she let her die.
THIS IS THE TRUTH! [blue] MARIA,ROSA,KRAUSS, KUMASAWA AND DR.NANJO ARE THE CULPRITS AND I REFUSE TO EXPLAIN! [/blue] GOHDA IS INNOCENT! HE IS ONLY A VICTEM IN THE TRAGADEY!
As for whydunnit. Like that anon said, Rosa wanted a new happy family with Batora and Gohda got charmed by Kumasawa's mackerels.
There's still 15 more minutes until the deadline. This might be your last chance to submit the correct, official solution to my mystery. There's a chance that none of you got the correct answer so far.
>>4824939I'm looking forward to finding out the whydunnit.
>>4824946Rosa and Battler had a relationship and their plan is kill everyone to take all the money for their new life together, Gohda was corrupted to help them
>>4824946Sure, sure, you'll get the whydunnit soon enough.
>>4824946Rosa wanted a fresh start with Maria and in return for krauss and natsuhi helping out rosa they'd disinherited themselves! Dr.nanjo was offered money from krauss meant to help his sick granddaughter and kumasawa was offered a BIG retirement check!This is your mind on 100 percernt!
>>4824939There's no way we would lose to a pig farmer twice
>>4824360>>4824553>>4824622[gold]Correct! You guessed the culprits of the official solution![/gold]>>4824509>>4824618>>4824632>>4824761>>4824891>>4824900Pick whether you want to be turned into a scratching post or a litter box. The epilogue and the official solution will soon follow.
>>4824971>he doesn't knowGet ready
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_2Sso-JoO4 Rosa: "Then there's probably someone besides the Ushiromiya family on this island right now who wants to see us all dead. There's no other way to explain this!"Krauss: "We both know that's not possible. When all of you arrived by boat, you were the last visitors that arrived on the island. The culprit is somewhere on this island, and it's one of us."Rosa: "What are you saying, Krauss? Are you saying you killed my precious Maria? Did you kill your own wife then? Your brother and sister, too? How are you going to pay for all of this? How are you going to explain all of this to the police?"Kumasawa: "Please calm down Rosa, I'm sure the police will handle this once the storm has cleared."Gohda: "Let's return to the mansion for now, shall we?"Krauss: "You accuse me of my brother's death when both you and I could have done the same. None of us have an alibi for Rudolf's and Kyrie's death."Gohda: "I'm sure there's an explanation for that. Maybe this was an unlucky set of coincidences that led to everyone's deaths by accident? I don't want to imagine it, but perhaps this was a chain of suicides?"Krauss: "Gohda, when we first hired you, we expected a lot from you. I never once would have imagined that such a fine chef and a servant would betray me like this. No, that you would betray our family like this."Gohda: "I don't know what you're talking about? I was there with you since morning, I couldn't have killed Rudolf or Kyrie."Krauss: "Who is to say that they were killed this morning? They could have been murdered last night after our family conference. If we cross out accidents and suicides as an option, the only one who could've unlocked and locked their room for whatever reason was you, Gohda!"Gohda: "Eeeh? T-that's not true. I was with Genji in the servant's room in the mansion. It could have also been Genji. Why would you put the blame on me? Kumasawa could have done the same, too."Kumasawa: "Not true. Yesterday after dinner, I went to the guesthouse along with Shannon, Kanon, Nanjo, and the children. We remained there until morning and have not returned to the mansion until we all arrived as a group to bring the bad news. Although, Rosa arrived to the guesthouse late at night..."Rosa: "How can we be sure it wasn't you and Gohda who plotted all of this?"Krauss: "Rosa, I am ashamed that we share the same blood."Rosa: "Huh? Are you putting the blame on me now?"Krauss: "I realize who's behind all of this now. The only ones who could've killed Eva, Hideyoshi, and Genji, the deaths of Doctor Nanjo, Shannon, Kanon, and my beloved Natsuhi, as well as the disappearance of the corpses, or to be more precise, three of the corpses. The ones responsible for all of today's tragedies are the two of you, Rosa and Gohda, as well as..."????: "..."
>>4824978This can't be real.... Gohda would never!
ITALIANON WON AGAIN
>>4824981See it was the expected solution, we won this time.
>>4824987https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi3eAjB_LcAKrauss: "You can come out now, Battler."Battler: "Uncle, don't look at me like that."Krauss: "I don't want to listen to any of you speak anymore. No reasoning or explanation will suffice. Kumasawa, I know you have nothing to do with this, so come with me, let's return to the mansion."Rosa: "I don't think so, brother."*gunshot*Ushiromiya Krauss is dead.Kumasawa: "Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieee!!!"Gohda: "E-eeeeek!"Battler: "Sorry Kumasawa, but it has to end this way."Kumasawa: "No, let go of me! Please, don't do this! I won't say anything to the police, just spare me!"Rosa: "Sorry old lady, you weren't included in the deal."*stab*Kumasawa Chiyo is dead.Battler: "Well, that's over with for now. I hate that we had to do it this way, but there's no way the others would understand. Right, aunt Rosa?"Rosa: "That's right, Battler-kun. Shame about your parents though, are you sure you won't miss them?"Battler: "My old bastard? Not a chance. Kyrie was sometimes cool, but I never really liked her that much or cared for her. What about Maria? Are you sure you won't regret that? I had to stain my hands because you couldn't do it."Rosa: "Maria? That lousy brat? Please, I'm glad she's finally gone from my life. Once we retrieve all the gold, I can forget she ever existed, as well as the rest of our family. As for you Gohda, you remember our part of the deal, correct?"Gohda: "Absolutely! 2 billion yen and I will never speak of this to another human soul as long as I live!"Battler: "Hihihi, you better not snitch! You don't want to end up like our relatives or your coworker over here."Gohda: "Certainly not, eh hehe..."Rosa: "Say Battler-kun, do you want to live with your auntie from now on? Your parents as well as the rest of your family are gone, and I won't have Maria around anymore, so it's not like I'll mind having you around. Maybe we can even have some fun together, as a family."Battler: "I don't know, auntie Rosa. Sounds tempting. What about Ange though?"Rosa: "Ange? Oh, we'll take care of her, one way or another."Battler: "Well, with the gold we found, anything is possible now. We could even keep Ange entertained, or keep her mouth shut, ihihihi."Gohda: "The gold and the money is great and all, but how are we going to hide this from the police?"Rosa: "You don't have to worry about that."Battler: "You don't have to worry about this island either. Everything will be taken care of."Gohda: "Oh, I see then."Rosa: "Let's begin the preparations then, shall we? We still have almost an entire day ahead of us."Battler: "That's right, let's finish this story."
>>4824978THIS SOLUTION IS OK?>>4824685
>>4824993The official solutionWhydunnit:Rosa and Battler solved the epitaph and found the gold the day before. They wanted to keep it all for themselves by killing the rest of the family, all the servants and Doctor Nanjo, however they needed help from someone with the master key, so they offered Gohda 2 billion yen in exchange for helping them.Whodunnit:Rosa, Battler, and Gohda are the culprits. Rosa and Battler committed murders inside the guesthouse, however the Red Truth that mentions the culprit who killed only 4 people was Rosa. This doesn't mean she had to kill 4 people in the guesthouse, it simply means she committed at least two murders in the guesthouse, enough to satisfy the Red Truth. She killed George and Jessica in the guesthouse. The two other people she had killed were Rudolf and Kyrie.Battler moved around a lot and was responsible for killing Maria, Shannon (and inadvertently Kanon), Nanjo, and Natsuhi.Gohda murdered Eva, Hideyoshi, and Genji, with the help of Rosa, but ultimately, it was Gohda who landed the killing blows. Battler had the opportunity to also help them during those murders, but it didn't matter much.Howdunnit:Any locked door that otherwise can't be explained was locked or unlocked by Gohda, or Gohda lied when he said that certain doors were already locked, when they were in fact unlocked. Gohda also helped Battler move the bodies and have the guesthouse locked. He returned to the mansion at one point and was present there during the inspection of Rudolf and Kyrie's corpses, but he wasn't in the kitchen making breakfast the entire time.When it comes to murders, as was previously mentioned, Rudolf and Kyrie were killed in their own guestroom inside the mansion by Rosa and Gohda. Again, we can say that Rosa landed the killing blows while Gohda assisted. After all, they're both culprits so there's nothing stopping them from helping each other. Gohda locked the doors afterwards and remained in the mansion. Rosa went to the guesthouse, and with the help of Battler gained access to the cousins' room. Krauss' statement during the eight twilight was true, so Rosa couldn't have killed Maria. Battler killed Maria, while Rosa killed Jessica and George. When it comes to Shannon, Battler was hiding in the lobby when he killed her. He then fled and left the guesthouse through the entrance door. Gohda covered for him by saying that the doors were still locked, when in reality, they weren't. Sealing the guesthouse afterwards didn't accomplish much, as Battler had already escaped at that point. Gohda also lied about having both of the kitchen doors locked, so that's how Battler could have entered and left the mansion. Battler killed Nanjo in the bathroom, which was left unlocked. The rest were either upstairs or in the parlor when that happened. At that point Battler could've escaped outside and wait long enough until he could kill Natsuhi.
Very good. Purple mysteries are really much better suited to this format than the witch duels.
>>4825000Nice, I got it.
A beautifully loveless tale, as expected of a purple mystery. Excellent work.
>>4824991>>4825000Krauss bros, Gohda bros.... this can't be happening... our happy ending
>>4825000I loved this purple mystery.Even if the culprits were fairly easy to identify, I think you did great ensuring a solvable and fair mystery.It was pretty fun. Thanks for writing it!>>4825010I agree. Purple mysteries work much better.
>>4825027No need to feel down, everyone will be back in the next mystery. Our time will surely come Thanks for the fun mystery anon
>>4825000This post describes the official solution to my mystery.And there you have it. Whether you like my official solution or not is up to you. If you want to further explain how your solution is more suitable, go ahead. I won't argue against it. After all, the real game had only just begun. The real purpose of this game was to determine the correct number of possible and valid outcomes in this mystery. Do you think you can find every possible solution?For real though, this was a test run for me. Making this purple mystery was a lot harder than I initially thought it would be. I wanted to avoid having to rely on fake bodies, but in the end I couldn't not use it. There were some other tricks I used, but I still think the original purple mystery from the VN is just too good. The standard is too high. I could've probably switched few characters and their statements around, to make certain statements more solid. There's certainly ways I could've improved this, but I figured I've spent too much time on it already, and overthinking it would eventually turn from a fun activity to a painful one. In the end, I'm glad how this turned out and I hope some of you had fun participating. I won't admit that my writing skills are good, but I hope the text wasn't too cringy.
I'm late but I made a crack pot theory based on Erikas reasoning in ep 8. I think it would have worked before you declared Krauss and Kumasawa's deaths. Please dont take it seriously.We know that[red]a culprit is one who murders[/red], but it never specifies when or where the murders were committed! I prospose the following:[blue]Everyone but Jessica, Shannon, Kanon, and George, who's deaths were confirmed with the red and occur at the same time and place as in the official solution, can be a culprit, as they have the ability to murder someone with their own hands outside of the island! This effectively turns purple statements into white statements! They don't matter! Actually, let Rudolf, Kyrie both be truly dead, so both of them cant be culprits. Whether the purple truth communicates a lie or the truth becomes irrelevant because everyone who speaks in purple(except ShKanon) is a culprit! This allows that all deaths, except the previously mentioned ones didn't happen, as specific deaths are stated in purple.[/blue] As we have negated the purple, we only have to tackle the narration.The first part of the first twilight being described as murders is true, Jessica and George were murdered. The second narration of the first twilight only characterizes what happened as the "second part of the first twilight's tragedy", which could mean anything! Maybe someone got pranked. As for the the "third" twilight, the bodies being missing is consistent with my solution! The second narration of the third twilight is also consistent with ShKanon's death! As for the 4th twilight, it's mentioned murders occur, but nowhere does it say they happened anywhere on the island. If we assume that's they happened outside the island, then there's no question that sealing the guest house would not stop the murders! It's the same for the narration for the 5th 6th and 7th twilight! An ambiguous "tragedy" occured with ambiguous "victims". The eighth twilight narration describes corpses found in the mansion(rudolf's, kyrie's, or both) the guesthouse(ShKanon, Geroge, Jessica) and outside the mansion(the guesthouse), so we're good!What do you think everyone? A catbox is a beautiful thing. This level of reasoning is possible for Ushiromiya Battler!
Great mystery, would be happy to participate again. Kinda sad that Maria got killed, and I got baited, but ok. There's always next time! And yeah, litter box.
>>4825067Great job on the mystery anon! This was high quality and well thought out! Also don't worry about you're writing skills they were much better and lot less cringe then mine can't wait to see the next one!
>>4825057We'll guide everyone to the golden land bro!>>4825074based simply based! Smart mind anon!
>>4825074I legit thought about including a Red Truth in the rules stating that none of the characters or culprits ever committed murders prior to this story, because of Erika's reasoning, but I figured it would be more fun if someone came up with a ridiculous theory such as yours.
>>4825067Quite an enjoyable mystery, I had decent amount of fun thinking about it. Your references to the original purple mystery were also a nice touch and the overall writting wasn't bad at all. I do hope krauss will win next time tho.
>>4825098Ridiculous? It's valid!Had fun tho, thanks for the mystery
>>4825027Sorry uncle Krauss, aunt Rosa's proposal was too good to pass up. Consider it revenge for the farm mystery.>>4825022>>4825053Agreed, this worked pretty well. I was thinking about making a combination of the two, while making a larger game board that I could use more than once. I was also thinking about making it a continuous story, with 1 mystery per chapter, each time with less characters left alive.>>4825067The narration was good, I had no issues with it. And you are right about the trick, it works pretty well in this type of mystery. I enjoyed it.
>>4825067I recommend that you take a look at the purple mystery spin off manga. That one changes the rules up by allowing Culprits to be killed as well.
How many details a mystery needs before it is okay to post it?
>>4825734It needs to be solvable
There's no reason preventing Maria from being a culprit, she could've poisoned George and Jessica and hid the corpses in the room. After all, the corpses locations were never shown and the only statement about inspecting the room was from Shannon: "We finished inspecting the cousins' room after which [purple]we left and I locked the doors.[/purple]" is not in purple, so it can't be trusted. The trail of blood can easily be faked.Maria has to kill just one person, and that could be either George or Jessica, or both, the rest of the murders are carried by Rosa and Battler.However Kumasawa is also a culprit. She lied about Maria, but I'm not sure if she can murder someone.Another possibility is that Kumasawa killed George/Jessica instead of Maria at the beginning, in that case she's lying in her statement Kumasawa: "[purple]I unlocked the doors to the cousins' room[/purple], but what awaited us inside was a horrible scene." along with Rosa which proves that the room was never locked and they did the murders. Maria then can shoot with a gun (the weapons weren't specified) Natsuhi outside the mansion? This results in four culprits: [blue]Battler, Maria, Rosa, Kumasawa[/blue]. My reasoning ends here however, maybe there are some logic errors in the later twilights that deny this theory, maybe not, who knows!
>>4826346>she could've poisoned George and JessicaTraps and poisons are ruled out. Weapons such as guns should still count.A culprit must carry out all murders directly, by their own hands.You might be right though, few of the character statements can be flipped from truth to lie, turning them into culprits. Kumasawa is the one most susceptible of this. I would have to make several adjustment to the story to make sure Kumasawa can't be branded a liar. Perhaps having Rosa ask Shannon to open the doors for her instead, since Shannon was pretty much confirmed dead in red, because of Kanon, so they're both absolute truthtellers and can't be considered culprits.
Since most of you seemed to like my previous mystery, I've started concocting a new one. I won't post it today, since it might take me a few more days to get it fully prepared. Either way, you can look forward to it.
>>4828126are you gonna do another purple one?
>>4828155Yes. Same setting, as well. I might change the rules a tiny bit. We'll see.
>>4828126Based, hyped for it bro!
I've finished my second purple mystery, as you like to call them. I will begin my presentation in a minute, so don't interrupt me while I'm posting. I also made a couple of changes in the rules, which I'm sure you'll like, so be sure to read them carefully.Like I said before, you don't necessarily need them, but I've included maps that show the layout of the Ushiromiya mansion and the guesthouse:https://imgur.com/a/rk31BqROnce I have posted the rules, you will have reached the end.
>>4833099https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4VR-SGWIsI-- First Twilight --Part I"The tragedy of the first twilight was split into two parts. Three victims were discovered at 08:00 in the morning on the following day, in the mansion's servant room. However, the whereabouts of three other residents would still remain uncertain."Rudolf: "We found it odd that [purple]the three servants, Genji, Gohda, and Kumasawa never showed up this morning to make breakfast or even greet us.[/purple]"Eva: "What was even more odd was that [purple]Krauss, Natsuhi, and Jessica were also absent this morning.[/purple]"Hideyoshi: "[purple]Everyone else from the guesthouse and the mansion has gathered in the parlor at one point[/purple], so [purple]the only people missing were Krauss, Natsuhi, Jessica, Genji, Gohda, and Kumasawa.[/purple]"Rosa: "As a group, we all decided to investigate what was going on. [purple]When we got to the servant's room, we knocked on the door, but there was no response. It was locked.[/purple]"George: "[purple]We asked Shannon to unlock the door for us.[/purple]"Shannon: "With everyone's permission, [purple]I unlocked the door.[/purple] However, when we entered..."Kanon: "We were shocked to see [purple]Genji, Gohda, and Kumasawa, laying on the floor with their throats slit open.[/purple]"Rudolf: "We asked doctor Nanjo to inspect their bodies and confirm their deaths."Maria: "[purple]With those wounds and the amount of blood, there was no way they could be alive[/purple], kihihi."Nanjo: "Yes... that's right. [purple]There was no doubt about it, Genji, Gohda, and Kumasawa were dead.[/purple]"Hideyoshi: "Horrible, just horrible. [purple]All three of them are dead.[/purple]"Battler: "We quickly noticed that [purple]this had been a closed room prior to us entering.[/purple] Since [purple]everyone except Krauss, Natsuhi, and Jessica was here, no one was hiding in the room.[/purple]"Kyrie: "Precisely, [purple]we were the only ones in the room, and the three servants were already dead when we entered.[/purple] It would seem that only a servant could've locked these doors."George: "What's more, none of us exactly have any concrete alibies, so anyone could've murdered them."Eva: "[purple]We decided to destroy Genji's, Gohda's, and Kumasawa's master keys[/purple] to prevent any misuse later on."Kyrie: "That's right, [purple]we destroyed Genji's, Gohda's, and Kumasawa's master keys.[/purple]" Nanjo: "Afterwards, [purple]we made our way upstairs[/purple] to hopefully find the whereabouts of Krauss, Natsuhi, and Jessica, however we all had a bad feeling about this..."
>>4833102https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X76lu7TCvOgPart II"The second tragedy of the first twilight was discovered at 08:30 in the morning when the group discovered three more victims, spread out into three different rooms on the upper floor of the mansion. The circumstances they were found in were the same as those in the servant's room."Rosa: "When we arrived upstairs, [purple]we first found Krauss' corpse in his room, which had been locked, so we had Shannon unlock it for us.[/purple]"Eva: "It was clear that he was killed, but [purple]we had doctor Nanjo confirm his death[/purple] anyway."Nanjo: "Unfortunately, but yes, [purple]Krauss is dead.[/purple]"Rudolf: "[purple]Krauss... he's actually dead.[/purple]"Kyrie: "Similar, if not the same circumstances as the servant's room. [purple]This was a closed room before we arrived, with no one else hiding in it.[/purple]"Hideyoshi: "We couldn't do anything about the situation, so [purple]we left the room and had it locked again.[/purple]"Battler: "[purple]The next victim we found was Natsuhi in her own room which was, again, locked.[/purple]"Shannon: "[purple]I unlocked the door to Natsuhi's room[/purple], and we witnessed the same awful scenario."Kanon: "[purple]Natsuhi has been killed in the same way.[/purple] Despicable..."Nanjo: "Once again, I've checked to make certain. [purple]Natsuhi is dead.[/purple]"Eva: "[purple]The culprit wasn't hiding in the room and there was nothing suspicious inside.[/purple] Once again, [purple]this was a closed room.[/purple]"Kyrie: "[purple]We left the room and had it locked[/purple], and moved on to find whether Jessica had met the same fate."Maria: "[purple]Both Krauss and Natsuhi have been killed[/purple], it's unlikely that we'll find Jessica alive either."Battler: "You're probably right, Maria, but we shouldn't think that way. There might still be some hope..."George: "If only that was true. [purple]We finally arrived at Jessica's room, which had been locked, so we asked Shannon once again to unlock the door for us.[/purple]"Rosa: "[purple]Poor Jessica... looks like she is also dead.[/purple]"Nanjo: "Unfortunately... [purple]Jessica is showing no signs of life[/purple] either. "Kanon: "[purple]Jessica is dead...[/purple] Damn it! If only I was there to protect her..."Rudolf: "[purple]After we had finished inspecting all of their rooms[/purple], we couldn't do much about it but [purple]make sure that all of their doors were locked.[/purple]"Hideyoshi: "[purple]We confirmed that all of the doors were locked[/purple], after which we headed back downstairs and took shelter in the parlor."
>>4833107https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-5pAmoR5AA-- Second Twilight --"The tragedy of the second twilight was discovered at 12:30, afternoon. After bearing witness to the initial crimes, the group had spent most of the time in the parlor, discussing their next moves and strategies. After lots of talking and arguing, certain group members became tired and wanted to move away from the parlor and find respite elswhere in the mansion. Eventually, this gave an opening for another tragedy to occur. The two victims were found in the kitchen. The remaining servants were under most suspicion, as they were the only ones in possession of master keys."Battler: "[purple]When we got to the kitchen, it was locked. We had Kanon unlock it for us.[/purple]"Rosa: "[purple]After Kanon unlocked the kitchen[/purple], we were faced with yet another gruesome scene."Shannon: "[purple]Eva and Kyrie were laying on the floor, covered in blood.[/purple]"Kanon: "[purple]It looks like both of them have been killed.[/purple] It was sickening to look at..."Nanjo: "The chances were slim, but [purple]I inspected them anyway. Both Eva and Kyrie were dead.[/purple]"Rudolf: "[purple]Kyrie... she got killed.[/purple] I can't believe it."Hideyoshi: "[purple]Eva...!! My precious Eva... dead![/purple]"George: "[purple]Mother... she's dead.[/purple]"Battler: "Considering the circumstances, [purple]the crime scene was once again a closed room.[/purple] What's more, [purple]the other kitchen door that leads outside the mansion is also locked.[/purple]"Rosa: "That's right. [purple]Both doors were locked when we checked them.[/purple] I didn't want to say it before, but I can't imagine who else could've locked these doors besides Shannon and Kanon."Shannon: "No way... I would never do such a thing."George: "[purple]It couldn't have been Shannon or Kanon, they were with Maria and me the entire time in the parlor.[/purple]"Maria: "Uu-uu! [purple]Shannon and Kanon played with Maria and George the entire time in the parlor![/purple] But, we had to stop playing when all of us went to the kitchen to find Eva and Kyrie's corpses, uu..."Kanon: "That's right, [purple]Shannon and I were with George and Maria in the parlor before all of us went to the kitchen and found Eva and Kyrie together.[/purple]"Battler: "I don't want to doubt either of them, which is why I think we should all stay grouped up from now on and wait until tomorrow for the police to arrive."Rudolf: "Battler is probably right. If we ever separate like that, we're susceptible to another attack. I never should've left Kyrie's side..."Hideyoshi: "There wasn't much else we could do, so [purple]we left the kitchen and had Kanon lock the doors.[/purple]"Nanjo: "[purple]After we had the doors locked, we all returned to the parlor.[/purple]"
>>4833113https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm6BKgnuW_s-- Fourth and Fifth twilight --"The tragedy of the fourth and fifth twilights were carried out in one go. The group was holed up in the parlor for a long time, until two members had to take a trip outside the parlor. The group escorted them to their destination, but despite keeping a keen eye on the servants, two more victims were discovered at 04:00 afternoon, in the mansion's ground floor bathroom which happened to be yet another closed room case."Rudolf: "The situation was under control, until [purple]Rosa and Maria had to leave the parlor to go to the bathroom.[/purple]"Hideyoshi: "[purple]We all went with them and escorted them as a group[/purple], making sure nothing happened to them on the way there."Battler: "[purple]Before they used the bathroom, we all inspected the bathroom to make sure no one suspicious was in there.[/purple]"George: "[purple]After we confirmed that the bathroom was safe, we left leaving only Rosa and Maria in the bathroom, after which they locked the bathroom from the inside.[/purple]"Shannon: "[purple]Kanon and I were clearly outside the bathroom and we haven't abused our master key[/purple], and yet..."Kanon: "After [purple]we eventually returned to the bathroom[/purple], we were once again dumbstruck."Rudolf: "Rosa and Maria had been in the bathroom for at least 30 minutes, after which we got worried, so [purple]we knocked, but there was no response. We tried opening the door, but it was locked.[/purple]"Hideyoshi: "We had no choice but to enter, so [purple]we had Shannon unlock the door for us.[/purple]"Battler: "Unbelievable, [purple]we entered and saw both Rosa and Maria sprawled on the bathroom floor, covered in blood.[/purple]"
>>4833116Hideyoshi: "No doubt about it, [purple]it looks like they were attacked inside the bathroom while the rest of us, Rudolf, Battler, Shannon, Kanon, Nanjo and I were still outside.[/purple]"George: "I checked their corpses, but it was useless. [purple]Both Rosa and Maria are dead.[/purple]"Kanon: "This is ridiculous! [purple]Both of them have been killed[/purple] right before our very eyes."Shannon: "Doctor Nanjo, how is this possible? Do you think someone poisoned them?"Nanjo: "No, I don't think so, [purple]they don't look like they died from poisoning.[/purple]"Battler: "[purple]Shannon and Kanon definitely had nothing to do with this, we were with them outside the bathroom[/purple], after all."Rudolf: "Yes, [purple]only Rosa and Maria were inside the bathroom when this could've occured.[/purple]"Hideyoshi: "It was too dangerous to stay in the mansion, so [purple]we left the bathroom and had Shannon lock the door.[/purple] After that, [purple]we brought in some packing tape and sealed the bathroom door[/purple] before leaving, [purple]to make sure no one gets in or out before the police arrives.[/purple]"George: "We also went back where we found the other corpses and [purple]we sealed the servant's room, Krauss' room, Natsuhi's room, and Jessica's room[/purple] in the same manner."Battler: "[purple]Upon sealing all those doors, we left the mansion, and then made sure both the front and back mansion entrance doors were locked and sealed as well.[/purple]"The group sealed the rooms at the same time they left. No culprit joined the group as they left. Also, all of the seals on the rooms in the mansion and the mansion itself will not be broken.
>>4833120https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxMQn6wJ5qQ-- Sixth Twilight --"The tragedy of the sixth twilight occured at 05:30 afternoon. The group had decided to flee from the mansion and take shelter in the guesthouse. However, while they were on the move, one of the members was attacked and their corpse had been discovered shortly afterwards."George: "Since [purple]we locked and sealed the mansion[/purple] and decided it was not safe in there, [purple]we went towards the guesthouse[/purple], running as fast as possible."Hideyoshi: "Unbeknownst to us, [purple]doctor Nanjo was attacked here out in the open.[/purple]"Battler: "We definitely all left the mansion together. [purple]Someone must have attacked him while we were running, but I didn't notice how he was attacked or who had attacked him.[/purple]"Rudolf: "It happened all so fast. [purple]We went back and inspected his body. He was definitely dead.[/purple]"Shannon: "And this was merely moments after we left the mansion! [purple]Doctor Nanjo has been killed[/purple], whoever did it could be hiding and they're probably following us to the guesthouse."Kanon: "Whoever is behind this is doing all of this to mock us."Battler: "It doesn't matter, we have to retreat to the guesthouse and make sure we're not followed."Hideyoshi: "Without much of a choice, [purple]we left Nanjo behind[/purple], after which [purple]the rest of us safely reached the guesthouse.[/purple] Since [purple]the entrance door was locked, we had Shannon unlock it for us.[/purple]"Rudolf: "[purple]Battler, Hideyoshi, Shannon, Kanon and I entered the guesthouse, and no one else entered the guesthouse after us. After we entered, we had the entrance doors locked.[/purple]"I suppose now is the best time as any to say it. The culprit of the first twilight really did kill 6 people.
>>4833123https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMVh99cpPuk-- Seventh and Eight Twilight --"The crimes of the seventh and eight twilights were carried out at the same time. The group had barricaded themselves inside the guesthouse while also checking that no one suspicious was hiding inside. However, despite their safety measures and caution, two more victims were discovered at 06:30 in the afternoon, in one of the rooms in the guesthouse's upper floor."Rudolf: "When [purple]Battler, Shannon, Kanon, and I went upstairs to check where George and Hideyoshi went, we noticed that one of the guestrooms was locked.[/purple]"Battler: "We prepared for the worst and [purple]had Shannon unlock the door for us.[/purple]"Kanon: "As we entered, [purple]we saw both George and Hideyoshi laying on the floor.[/purple]"Shannon: "No way... [purple]George has been killed.[/purple] And we thought we were safe in the guesthouse."Rudolf: "It was really hard to believe, but [purple]Hideyoshi is dead.[/purple]"Battler: "[purple]Uncle Hideyoshi, George... it looked like they were both attacked here in this room.[/purple]"Shannon: "But [purple]Rudolf, Battler, Kanon and I were all together when this could have happened.[/purple]"Battler: "That's right, [purple]the four of us, Rudolf, Shannon, Kanon, and I couldn't have killed either George or Hideyoshi.[/purple]"Kanon: "The culprit behind all of this is playing us for fools!"Rudolf: "We checked the room just in case, but [purple]no one suspicious was hiding inside the room.[/purple] Naturally, [purple]it was just Battler, Shannon, Kanon, and me in the room, as well as poor George and Hideyoshi.[/purple]"Battler: "Uwoooooh! I don't get it! I don't understand what's going on anymore! No matter where we go, the culprit always finds a way to outsmart us and attack our weak spots."Shannon: "What if there's an intruder on the island who is behind all of this?"Kanon: "It doesn't matter who they are, they won't go unpunished!"Rudolf: "Intruder or not, it doesn't seem like it's safe here either. [purple]We left the room where we found George and Hideyoshi, and had Shannon lock it for us.[/purple]"Battler: "We went back downstairs, but it's useless. It's all useless...""The curtain is lowered on this tale, for now..."
>>4833127https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJgW2ytUw_0Rules:The definition of 'culprit' is 'one who murders'.It is possible for a culprit to lie.It is possible for a culprit to lie even before committing murder.Characters who are not culprits only speak the truth.Characters who are not culprits may not cooperate with a culprit.A culprit must carry out all murders directly, by their own hands.A culprit must not die.A culprit must be among the characters appearing in the story.Purple statements have the same power as Red Truth. Only the culprit can lie in purple statements.Outside of spoken statements, there are no lies in the narration.This game is set up so that everybody knows about the connection between Shannon and Kanon.Regarding master keys:All doors can only be locked or unlocked with a master key.Of course, it is possible to lock or unlock the doors from inside the room even without a master key. This includes entrance doors to the mansion and the guesthouse.We'll consider master keys to be the only keys that exist.There are five master keys total. One is held by each of the five servants.The servants keep the master keys on their person at all times, so it is impossible for them to be stolen, handed over, or used by any human other than themselves.Layout of the mansion and the guesthouse:All of the windows have steel bars on them, so it's impossible to enter or leave by them.The entire mansion can be sealed by sealing the mansion's front and back entrance doors.Submissions:The answer must provide the whodunnit and howdunnit. Whydunnit is optional.The answer must be presented using Blue Truth.You can submit multiple answers, however if you do, you have to point out and announce which submission is your final submission in Red.Once you've announced your final submission in Red, you can't revoke it anymore.If you only submit one answer by the end, that answer will count as your final submission by default.If you have submitted multiple answers but haven't announced which one is your final by the end, only your first submission will count as your final submission.You have 24 hours to submit your answers, until I decide to reveal the official solution.There is only one official solution.I guarantee that it is possible to pinpoint the culprit with this information. I suppose that's all I have to say for now. I'm not giving you any more Reds or hints, you're on your own now.Good luck.
>>4833128Another great purple mystery. I already have a theory on the who but considering the 24h hour time limit I'll take my time with it to ensure I reach the correct answer.
>>4833128Italianon here be ready for your requiem witch
24h huh, I guess you do require howdunnit this time. I guess culprit only refers to people that murdered during the game right? No ridiculous theories allowed this time?
>>4833147Adding to this: I assume shkannon works in the same way as the previous mystery, right?
>>4833133Sure, take your time. This is why I said you'd like the changes I've made to the rules. I've given you a lot more time to think this time around. Although, I'm also forcing you to give me the howdunnit as well. Last time the howdunnit was conditional. Anywho, just don't get too comfortable and end up submitting your answer at the last minute.>>4833147I don't care how ridiculous your theories are. You may go all out.>>4833153Mhm. You can safely assume that Shannon and Kanon are two personalities inhabiting a single human body, but out of respect, everyone refers to them as Shannon and Kanon separately.
>>4833128just a clarification about windows can be used or are impossible to use?
[blue]Shanon/kanon , george, rosa, maria are the culprits.First twilightFirst 6 victims were not seen in the morning which means they could have been killed at any time during the night, since shanon/kanon is a culprit, locking the door is not an issue. Likely one of them was killed by maria while they were sleeping/knocked out, another one by rosa and 4 more by shanon/kanon.Second twilight. Only purples denying shanon/kanon being the culprits are said by: george,maria,shanon/kanon who are all culprits in the first place. With 2 more murders done by shanon and kanon, the culprit of the first twilight kills 6 people. Fourth and Fifth twilight (I’m going of the story numbering for consistency sake)Only people that confirm their deaths are Kanon and George, who are the culprits.The door was locked from the inside and the whole thing was staged by rosa and maria.Sixth TwilightThe group is running towards the guesthouse without looking behind, nanjo naturally being the slowest of the group is an easy kill for anyone. Likely george, shanon/kanon can also kill him if george kills a person during first twilight to keep up with the 6 person murdered by the culprit of the first twilight constraint. Seventh and Eight TwilightThe only one confirming george death is shannon, battler only mentions it looks like they were “attacked” but that doesn’t imply death. This one was carried out by george who was in the same room and he simply attacked hideyoshi and played dead.[/blue]
>>4833116>we haven't abused our master key,PLS EXPLAIN WHAT THIS MEANABUSED IS A TRICK WORD, EXAMPLE IS A CULPRIT GOAL IS OPEN A DOOR , THAT ACT IS NOT ABUSING.
>>4833257The naming of the twilights is correct, don't worry about it. The third twilight is skipped because its verse in the epitaph doesn't mention any killings. It's just a way I decided to present the mystery, following the epitaph, that's all. You don't need me to recite the entire epitaph for you, do you?>>4833260I don't know, you will have to tell me.
>>4833260i discover the solution pls replay to this message so i can give to you an answare
>>4833257The namings of the twilights are correct, don't worry about it. The third twilight is skipped because in the original epitaph, the third twilight's verse doesn't mention any killings. It's just how I wanted to present my mystery, following the epitaph, that's all.>>4833260I don't know, you will have to tell me.Also, I'm not sure what happened, but it looks like my post disappeared? I deleted it once the first time because I forgot to attach an image, but I didn't delete it the second time. I can't even find it in the archive anymore.
>>4833360lol it's still there
>>4833360[blue] Shkanon can open and close the bathroom door every time she wanted [/blue]pls replay so i can eliminate rosa and Maria from the solution
>>4833364And now both of them appeared, even though I refreshed the page multiple times. Weird.
>>4833369I'll delete this post and the previous one, I suggest you delete your reply too
>>4833367I'm not confirming anything.
>>4833382I JUST ASK YOU WHAT MEAN THIS PURPLE TRUTH SINCE IS NOT A CLEAR STATEMENT UNDERSTANDKanon and I were clearly outside the bathroom and we haven't abused our master keyIS UNCLEARYOU WANT A FAIR GAME?PLS CLARIFY I DON'T NEED ANY CONFERMATION
>>4833390Then rack your brains out until it becomes clear.
>>4833400I WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU ONLY 1 TIMEYOU ARE THE GAMEMASTER AND IS YOUR JOB CLARIFY WHEN YOUR STATEMENTS CAN HAVE DIFFERENT MEANINGIF YOU NOT CLARYFY THEN I WILL POST MY OWN SOLUTION AND I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY BITCHING ABOUT IS WRONG IF YOU REFUSED TO DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AS GAMEMASTER.
>>4833405"abused" when making a statement claiming your innocent would clearly suggest not using the masterkey. If shanon/kanon is a culprit they can lie so it doesn't matter anyway
>>4833410thanks do doing the game-master job anon
>>4833405"Abusing the master key" in that given scenario refers to locking or unlocking the bathroom door without the group's permission. Is that what you wanted to hear?
Italianon here[blue] the culprit are Shkanon and George, Since Shkanon can Open any door she had no problems to killed the 6 of the first twiligth, Kyrie and Eva since Maria didn't stated if George or Shkanon were in the parlor all the time ;Rosa and Maria killed by George since Hideyoshi never stated George's position, 1 between George and Shkanon killed Nanjo outside since there are 0 witness, George killed Hideyoshi and faked his death since was checked by Shkanon. [/blue]i can add Rosa and Maria but are useless and are need only to fix Maria week Purple truth.THIS IS YOUR REQUIEM WITCH
Nice! Another purple mystery. Let's see if I can solve this one too.I'll post more specifics soon, but here are my culprits:[blue]Shannon+Kanon is a culprit.[/blue][blue]Nanjo is a culprit.[/blue][blue]Rudolf is a culprit.[/blue][blue]Kyrie is a culprit.[/blue]
>>4833470My breakdown of the twilights:First Twilight[blue]Shannon+Kanon killed the six people during the night. Shannon+Kanon locked the rooms afterwards.[/blue]Second Twilight[blue]Rudolf killed Eva and Kyrie faked her own death. Kyrie locked the room from the inside.[/blue]Fourth and Fifth Twilight[blue]Shannon+Kanon unlocked the bathroom door. Kyrie entered and killed Rosa and Maria. Kyrie then locked the door from the inside. Kyrie will be sealed inside the bathroom and remain there for the rest of the mystery.[/blue]Sixth Twilight[blue]Nanjo was attacked by either Shannon+Kanon or Rudolf. Nanjo did not die.[/blue]Seventh and Eighth Twilight[blue]Rudolf lied about locking the guesthouse. Nanjo killed Hideyoshi and George. Shannon+Kanon locked the door. It may also be true that Nanjo was inside the room and locked it from the inside (I find this more likely).[/blue]
>>4833470>>4833493The whydunnit is probably another "solved the epitaph". [blue]Rudolf and Kyrie solved the epitaph late that night. Using the gold to bribe Nanjo and Battler's love to bribe Shannon+Kanon, Rudolf and Kyrie began their murder spree, with Battler totally ignorant.[/blue]
Fairly amusing submissions so far. I'll have fun thinking about them. However, I must retreat for now. Don't worry, I will return before the deadline is over, unless by some miracle I am unable to. There should still be about 20 hours left, which is plenty.
>>4833128<blue> Some culprit(s) entered the guesthouse before Battler, Shannon,Kannon,Hideyoshi, George and Rudolf and locked the door from the inside</blue><blue>Battler, Shannon,Kannon,Rudolf did not kill Hideyoshi and George because they all stayed together the entire time in a different room than that of the victims.</blue> </blue> A culprit can't be dead therefore George and Hideyoshi always say the truth.</blue><blue>If George and Hideyoshi always say the truth then Eva is dead and thus she is not a culprit and always says the truth.</blue><blue>if George and Hideyoshi always say the truth then Nanjo is dead and always says the truth</blue><blue> If Nanjo says the truth then Kumasawa, Genji and Gohda are dead thus they are not culprits</blue><blue>if Nanjo says the truth then Natsuhi, Krauss and Jessika are dead.</blue><blue>If Nanjo says the truth then Kyrie is dead</blue><blue>If Nanjo says the truth then Maria and Rosa are dead</blue><blue> Just because the red truth says that the The culprit of the first twilight really did kill 6 people doesn't mean that he killed Natsuhi and Krauss and Jessica and Kumasawa and Genji and Gohda</blue>This all leads up to an absurdity. Through this process of elimination everyone magically dies, which is impossible because witches do not exist. we can't have dead bodies in the mystery without a culprit. I need to rethink it. It doesn't up. Maybe my initial guess was wrong and thus I can't trust the doctor, Battler's group or the ((victims)) of the 8th twilight
>>4833883You need to use  anon.
>>4833908Sorry, my bad. I don't visit those threads often and this is my first time playing.
>>4833883[red] This is my final theory[/red]I remember George's heart....[gold] George would kill even his parents in order to get married with Shannon[/gold][gold] Shannon and Kannon go hand in hand[/gold][gold] George would never kill Shannon[/gold]I did it...I found the truth[blue] George with the help of Shannon and Kannon killed his parents, the servants and the rest of family. Shannon and Kannon have master keys and therefore they have the ability to create and destroy any closed room. Nanjo is innocent[/blue]
>>4833257>>4833469>>4833493I just noticed I made an honest mistake while I was writing the mystery. During the Fourth and Fifth twilights, I wrote:Hideyoshi: "No doubt about it, [purple]it looks like they were attacked inside the bathroom while the rest of us, Rudolf, Battler, Shannon, Kanon, Nanjo and I were still outside.[/purple]"what I meant to write is:Hideyoshi: "No doubt about it, [purple]it looks like they were attacked inside the bathroom while the rest of us, Rudolf, Battler, George, Shannon, Kanon, Nanjo and I were still outside.[/purple]"I unintentionally forgot to include George in Hideyoshi's statement. I apologize for the error I have made. I won't ask that you make a new submission because of my error, but I will try my best to provide you with a satisfying response to your submissions once the deadline is up. I could also say in Red who 'the rest of us' refers to in Hideyoshi's statement, which is probably how I made the error in the first place. I probably wrote just that, but then added the actual names of characters afterwards, leaving out George by accident.Anyway, I will point out that the narration also suggests that only Rosa and Maria were inside the bathroom when the crime could have occurred, and there's also Rudolf's statement which doesn't necessarily mismatch with Hideyoshi's statement, so perhaps you should reconsider your submissions either way:Rudolf: "Yes, [purple]only Rosa and Maria were inside the bathroom when this could've occured.[/purple]"Having a referee would really help when making these types of mysteries.
>>4833470>>4833493>>4833521Battler: "[purple]Shannon and Kanon definitely had nothing to do with this, we were with them outside the bathroom[/purple], after all."Hmm...I really don't know about this. Assuming that 'this' refers to the locking of the room as well as the murders, my theory no longer makes sense.I suppose it is possible that [blue]Battler is a culprit[/blue], but that just doesn't feel right in my opinion.In this case I need to provide another way for the locked room to make sense without Shannon+Kanon.[blue]Maria is a culprit. Maria killed Rosa and was then sealed inside the bathroom. Kyrie did not kill Rosa and Maria. Instead, Kyrie exited outside after everyone witnessed her corpse. Kyrie then joined Nanjo in entering the guesthouse since Rudolf was lying about locking up. Kyrie killed either Hideyoshi or George and Nanjo killed the other one. Both of them then hid inside the room, locking it from the inside.[/blue]Maria never lied in her purple statements, but nowhere does it mention that a culprit must lie. Therefore this is not an issue.This alternate theory is operating under the assumption that 'this' in Battler's statement refers not only to Rosa and Maria's state in the bathroom, but the locked status of the room as well.
>>4834556really?i belived that it was 1 of your hints......SADso forgot my solution i must rethink
>>4834556just get whoever solved the last mystery to be a referee
>>4834615A referee needs to be someone I fully trust. Someone I can show the entire script to and have them study it and proofread it before I post it. Referee and I need to have a communication channel outside of these threads, something like Discord, but I don't want to put anyone here in that position. For now, if I made any errors, the fault is on me. Not having a referee or someone who could proofread my mystery first is also on me. Another thing is, a referee would then not be allowed to participate, as they would know the answer in advance, and there's also the risk of them spoiling it for others.
Italianon here [blue] then the culprits are George,Shkanon and Maria. Shkanon can open all the doors so can kill all the six victims of the first twiligth, Since Both the 3 culprits were together they can kill Eva and Kyrie without problems, Maria killed Rosa and then faked her death since they only 1 who confirmed her death are George and Shkanon, Shkanon or George killed Nanjo outside since there are 0 witness to deny it, George faked his death after killingn Hideyoshi this is possible since only Shkanon confirmed his death. the motive is to start a new life as a new family both of the 3 [/blue]THIS FIX EVERYTHINGbut i relly thougth your missing George was an hint
>>4834625Yeah I thought about that, seems like quite a lot of work, mostly finding a person u can trust. You can always make me proofread ;)
>>4834597I think I might be losing my mind.George: "I checked their corpses, but it was useless. [purple]Both Rosa and Maria are dead.[/purple]"Welp!Battler culprit theory time.[blue]Battler is a culprit[/blue][blue]Battler lied about Shannon+Kanon's innocence. Shannon+Kanon unlocked the door before Kyrie killed Rosa and Maria. Battler lied about not being able to kill Hideyoshi and George. Battler killed one of them and Nanjo killed the other.[/blue]This feels wrong, but I must keep my theory alive in the face of Battler's 'this'!
>>4833470>>4833493>>4833521>>4834597>>4834660Summary post. Cause my initial thoery does not comply with the purple statements.The whodunnit:[blue]Shannon+Kanon is a culprit.[/blue][blue]Nanjo is a culprit.[/blue][blue]Rudolf is a culprit.[/blue][blue]Kyrie is a culprit[/blue][blue]Battler is a culprit.[/blue]The howdunnit:[blue]Shannon+Kanon killed the six victims of the first twilight. Shannon+Kanon locked the doors after each murder.[/blue][blue]Rudolf killed Eva. Kyrie faked her death and locked the door from the inside.[/blue][blue]Shannon+Kanon unlocked the bathroom door for Kyrie who then killed Rosa and Maria. Kyrie was then sealed inside forever.[/blue][blue]Nanjo was attacked by anyone other than Hideyoshi or George. Nanjo did not die.[/blue][blue]Rudolf lied about locking the door, allowing Nanjo into the guesthouse. Battler and Nanjo killed Hideyoshi and George.[/blue]The whydunnit:[blue]After remembering his promise six years ago, Battler promises his love for Shannon+Kanon. Battler is then taken to the gold room where Shannon+Kanon explain everything to him. Rudolf and Kyrie had been following them and decide to murder everyone and keep the gold for themselves. Battler convinces them that Shannon+Kanon should help (Battler just wants them to not die), which Shannon+Kanon go along with. Nanjo is bribed.[/blue]This is the scraps of my theory which is likely inncorrect.My initial theory felt much better, but it was all torn up by Battler's purple statement. Oh well.I'm excited to see the Shannon+Kanon, George and Maria culprit theory be proven right.
I will remind you that if you do happen to post multiple submissions, you will have to point out which one is your final in Red. You don't have to do it right away, after all you could change your mind again, but please do it at one point, otherwise I'll have to disregard your other submissions and only accept the first submission you posted as your final one by default. Because of the error I made here >>4834556, I will excuse these three posters and allow their first two submissions posted in this thread as their valid submissions: >>4833257 >>4833469 >>4833493 However, if either of those three post any additional submissions without announcing their final submission in Red, I will only count their first two submissions as their final submissions.In short, make sure you understand the rules regarding the submissions and keep track of how many submissions you have posted by the end: >>4833128There should be a bit over seven hours left until the deadline.
>>4833123I don't get it. How can Shannon and Kanon exist at the same time and talk to each other?
>>4834700As was previously explained, they possess one human body, but everyone refers to them as if they're two separate beings, or personalities. Don't think too hard about it, just think of Shannon being Kanon, and Kanon being Shannon, but at the same time they're not the same person, they just share the same host. Not many can fully grasp this concept, but that's just how it is.
>>4834709I understand considering them the same person, but what about the outfits? I don't think it's physically impossible for Yasu to change outfits each time he wants to be the other character, does that mean there are times where Yasu is dressed as Shannon yet they pretend to be Kannon without changing the outfit? The same for everyone else, do they sometimes talk to Yasu dressed as "Shannon" as if he's Kanon? It's weird.
>>4834714Maybe they simply just change their voice at certain times, instead of their entire outfit. Like I said, don't think too hard about it. Who knows, maybe some of the stuff they said was "inside their head" and not said out loud. As long as you, the reader, can understand their thoughts, that's all that matters.
I have built two theories designed to cover two possible interpretations of the following purple statement:Battler: "[purple]Shannon and Kanon definitely had nothing to do with this, we were with them outside the bathroom[/purple], after all."[red]Assuming that 'this' in Battler's purple statement includes the unlocking of the room by the culprit, this is my final answer:[/red] >>4834673[red]If 'this' does not include the unlocking of the room by the culprit, then this is my final answer:[/red] >>4833470 >>4833493 >>4833521
>>4824360>>4824746Unlike last time, I'm not too confident in my choice of culprits.If I haven't found the official solution, then I'd be interested in how my solutions don't work. Maybe I've found an alternative solution?
>>4834717It's a bit weird how you didn't confirm the destroying of Genji, Gohda and Kumasawa's keys in red.1. The only purple statements that mention that are Kyrie's and Eva's, who are both equally qualified to be liars, thus we can't fully trust them.2. There's no reason for the culprit to return something as convenient as a master key to their pockets. It would be understandable if it was Shkanon, who have their own master keys, but for anyone else it seems a bit off.3. Lastly, there's also the possibility of fake keys. Even if the group did destroy the keys they found, that would be pointless if they're not the real ones. After all, you never denied such trickery, in fact Shkanon talking to himself unlocks even more possibilities.Therefore, waga aruji, I beg of you to repeat the following in red: [blue]Upon finding Gohda's, Genji's and Kumasawa's corpses, the group definitely destroyed the their three master keys, rendering them unusable.[/blue]
>>4834862Red Truth invalid. Pick one and only one, since you've posted three different theories at this point, if I am counting them right. Despite my mistake, I can't pardon any more than the first two theories you've posted, which are these two: >>4833493 >>4834597>>4834882I'll see to it that any 'alternate' solutions are dealt with this time around, and I've got just the right inquisitor for that job.
>>4834902Beg all you want, but I don't have to confirm anything, the rules already do that for me. If you want to form a theory on how Eva, Kyrie, Genji, Gohda, and Kumasawa are culprits, by all means, I'm listening. As for your claims regarding keys, refer to the rules: >>4833128We'll consider master keys to be the only keys that exist.There are five master keys total. One is held by each of the five servants.The servants keep the master keys on their person at all times, so it is impossible for them to be stolen, handed over, or used by any human other than themselves.Destroying a master key doesn't classify as 'using the key', if that's what you're hinting at.
>>4834903Actually, I've only really posted two theories as the Maria one goes against George's purple statement that Maria is dead and yet it proclaims that George was killed.You are cruel making me decide how to interpret your wording. Fine. [red]This is my final answer:[/red] >>4834673Although I prefer the first theory, I do not believe you mean 'this' to not include the unlocking of the door. Therefore, tue theory pointed to by buy my new red truth s the only theory I have posted that doesn't violate a purple statement.
>>4835041Fine, both of your theories will be addressed then, and we'll see whether you picked the correct one or not.
Something I thought that I'd point out is why I pursued a theory without George: Hideyoshi's death.Why would George kill his own father whom he loved and respected? I understand that Eva could have stood in the way of George's marriage, but Hideyoshi would never.Hideyoshi doesn't make sense as a culprit either since Eva is dead.If the official solution makes use of George then I am very curious.
>>4833128[blue]The culprits are George, Shkannon and sweet little Maria.[/blue] I believe both Rosa and Nanjo can be fit into this, but I like keeping the number of culprits as low as possible. As for the how dunnit:[blue]Shkannon used their master key to gain access to both the servant room and the rooms on the upper floor of the mansion. They killed all six victims. No one has an alibi to contradict this, so there's no reason to elaborate further.[/blue][blue]Shkannon once again is responsible for the killing, locking the door afterwards. George and Maria are both culprits, so Shkannon's alibi is fake.[/blue]Here's were someone could say neither are dead, since the only people to confirm it are culprits. But as I said, I rather keep the number of culprits low, and I need Maria as a culprit for the second twilight to work: [blue]Maria killed Rosa and faked being dead while covered in her blood. While it's unlikely that a child like maria could take into an adult, being in an enclosed space like a bathroom works in Maria's favor. Not only that, there's also the element of surprise, as from Rosa's perspective she's usually the one to hurt Maria, not vice versa. It's possible that the murder weapon was carried by Maria all along, but it could have been provided by Shkannon beforehand. It doesn't really matter.[/blue][blue]Nanjo was killed swiftly by either George or Shkannon, doesn't really matter which one of them. Everyone else was in a state of panic, rushing towards the guesthouse, so nobody noticed.[/blue][blue]The seventh twilight is real: Hideyoshi was killed by George. The eight twilight however, is nothing but an illusion: George only faked being dead, his "death" only being confirmed by the other culprit.[/blue]The motive isn't needed but I'd like to try:[blue]George found the gold and learned the truth about Shkannon, aka Yasu, and both plotted to kill everyone in the ushiromiya family to start a new one, using the gold. Maria was brought on board perhaps as late as before the second twilight. She was emotionally broken after sustaining years worth of emotional abuse from Rosa.[/blue]UUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH PLEASE TELL ME I'M WRONG ANIKI! I DON'T WANT TO THINK YOU, SHANNON-CHAN AND MARIA-CHAN ARE KILLERS!I'll wait until the last half-hour before claiming this as my final theory, in case I get a last minute eureka moment.
For starters, I don't think Nanjo is a culprit due to the fact that he confirmed every death except Rosa and Maria's, which further proves one of them is faking their death. However, his death is very suspicious. Only Rudolf confirmed his death, which means, [blue]Rudolf has to be a culprit for Nanjo to be a culprit too.[/blue]In other words, [blue]if Rudolf is telling the truth, then Nanjo is innocent. If not, then Nanjo is faking his death, rendering them both culprits.[/blue]Well since there are no clues beyond this point for whether Rudolf is lying, I'll just listen to my hunch and say [blue]Nanjo is not a culprit.[/blue] Therefore, [blue]Eva, Kyrie, Krauss, Jessica, Natsuhi, Genji, Gohda, Kumasawa and Rudolf are all innocent.[/blue]The red statement "[red]no culprit joined the group as they left[/red]" is a huge hint. Specifically the use of the word "culprit" pretty much confirms that [blue]there's at least one culprit remaining in the mansion.[/blue] Of course, this alone is not enough to confirm this theory. The second proof is the fact that [blue]Maria and Rosa's deaths were only confirmed by George and Shkanon who are both big suspects[/blue], therefore they can't be trusted, at least for now.The next part "[red]all of the seals on the rooms in the mansion and the mansion itself will not be broken.[/red]" confirms that the remaining culprit never left the mansion.Another very valuable red truth my master gave us is "[red]the culprit of the first twilight really did kill 6 people.[/red]". It's pretty simple, why was that only said after Nanjo supposedly died? Heh, hehehehehe, that's because [blue]it is as I thought, one of Rosa/Maria isn't actually dead, unlike Nanjo![/blue] Think about it, if Rosa AND Maria both died Forth and Fifth twilight, the red truth would've been posted then. [blue]The fact that it was posted only after the Sixth twilight, after Nanjo was declared dead, PROVES HE WAS THE 6TH PERSON TO DIE![/blue]In other words, [blue]Nanjo and Rudolf are both innocent![/blue]To sum it all up; [blue]the culprits are among the remaining group (Shkanon, Battler, George, Hideyoshi) except for Rudolf, plus one culprit locked in the mansion.[/blue]I'm going to use Rudolf as my trump card, since he's the only one who's been proven innocent in the group.In the Seventh and Eight twilights, Hideyoshi's death was confirmed by Rudolf: "It was really hard to believe, but [purple]Hideyoshi is dead.[/purple]" and since it's Rudolf, [blue]Hideyoshi is actually dead.[/blue][blue]George is the only one who could have killed Hideyoshi inside the locked guestroom, therefore he is a culprit.[/blue][blue]A culprit cannot die which means Shannon was lying in her statement[/blue] "No way... [purple]George has been killed.[/purple]" [blue]proving she's also a culprit.[/blue](1/2)
>>4835227For Battler, there's only one statement that has been bothering me. "[purple]Someone must have attacked him while we were running, but I didn't notice how he was attacked or who had attacked him.[/purple]". The issue here is that [blue]they were running all in a group, there's no way Battler didn't notice how he died.[/blue] But, if you consider the fact that no one also noticed, and it's very possible to murder Nanjo with a slim long range weapon since weapons are allowed, it could make sense.Battler surprisingly never confirms any murders, his statement "[purple]Shannon and Kanon definitely had nothing to do with this, we were with them outside the bathroom[/purple], after all." is true because one of Maria/Rosa is still alive, so I'll just say [blue]Battler is not a culprit.[/blue] And here ends my reasoning for this mystery, hopefully you enjoyed reading it.The whodunit:[blue]Shannon, Kanon, Rosa (or Maria, but I'm going for Rosa) and George.[/blue]The howdunit:-- First Twilight --There's not much info to precisely deduct how the murders occurred, so I'll just say [blue]Shkanon used her master key and murdered the six people.[/blue]-- Second Twilight --[blue]Shkanon unlocked the kitchen using her master key and murdered Eva and Kyrie inside.[/blue]-- Fourth and Fifth twilight --[blue]Either Maria killed Rosa and stayed there, or vice versa.[/blue] There's not enough info to deduct who actually died and lived, but since I considered Rosa the culprit; [blue]Rosa killed Maria and faked her death.[/blue]-- Sixth Twilight --I'm clueless about this one, either [blue]Rosa shot him from inside the mansion[/blue] or [blue]Shkanon/George swiftly murdered Nanjo without being noticed.[/blue][blue]-- Seventh and Eight Twilight --[/blue][blue]George murdered Hideyoshi and faked his death.[/blue]The whydunit:Since this is optional and not really required, I'll just say [blue]George killed everyone so he can steal the wealth for himself and start a new family with Shkanon[/blue] or [blue]George helped Shkanon with their revenge against the family out of love.[/blue][red]This is my official submission.[/red] Please accept it with love, waga aruji.Oh, I almost forgot. [red]This level of reasoning is possible for Furudo Erika[/red]. Your thoughts, ladies and gentlemen?
>>4835227thats my waifu and i want her to rape me non intellectually
>>4835124>>4835227>>4835233Yes, yes, beautifully presented. I'm proud of you, Erika. You too, Battler. We will see whether either of you got the correct answer or not. Or perhaps someone else had already presented the correct answer before you two, hm?Speaking of, there should be about an hour left until the deadline. If there's still someone who has their own submission to share, or if someone wants to change their submission, you should do it soon.
Time's up! Now then, let's check out the submissions, shall we?>>4835124[gold]Congratulations! You got it right! This submission aligns almost perfectly with the official solution.[/gold]>>4834628You also got it right, however, if there was a second place, it would be yours. Otherwise, [gold]you won![/gold] >>4835227>>4835233I'm sorry Erika, but this won't do. You were very close, in fact, you only had two swap two characters around, and you would've been right.>>4833257You were also very, very close.>>4833959I'm afraid this isn't it, sorry. You got the culprits right, but forgot to include another one.>>4834673Sorry, this won't do either. Shannon and Kanon were one of the culprits, but the rest aren't.I didn't miss anyone's submission, did I? Now then, allow me to post the epilogue as well as the official solution. Give me a moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVP09lhSPm4Battler: "... Dad, do you have any idea who's behind this? ... Did grandpa or uncle Krauss have any enemies that would've benefited from the Ushiromiya family being wiped out?"Rudolf: "Maybe, I don't know... How would I know that?"Battler: "I don't know either... Is there perhaps someone who is after you?"Rudolf: "Kyrie and I have some financial issues on our own, but it's nothing worth killing the entire family for. Kyrie..... *sob*"Battler: "Then... there's no other way to explain this... "Shannon: "..."Rudolf: "Shannon...?"Battler: "Eh?"Rudolf: "Where did you find that? "Shannon: "My apologies, Rudolf-sama."Battler: "Shanno-"*gunshot*Ushiromiya Rudolf is dead.Battler: "Uwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!! Dad! DAD!! .....Shannon, what the hell?! What did you just do?! Why did you do that?!"George: "Calm down, Battler-kun."Battler: "Aniki?! What? Calm down?! You want me to calm down? What the hell?! Both of you were behind this all along?!"Shannon: "Sorry Battler, but we've made our decision. You could have prevented this at one point, but you've missed your chance."Battler: "Huuuh?! Missed my chance? What are you talking about? Are you saying you killed everyone because of something I did? To hell with that!"George: "Battler, you've once made a promise with Shannon. She may forgive you one day, but I will certainly never forgive you for breaking Shannon's heart."Battler: "So because of me, the entire Ushiromiya family had to die?! As if I will ever accept that as a valid explanation! Screw you! Go ahead, kill me, you planned on doing that all along. You kept me for last so you could torment me."George: "Don't take this the wrong way, but there was simply no other way."Kanon: "Nee-san, do it now!"Shannon: "Farewell, Battler."Battler: "Go to hell."*gunshot*Ushiromiya Battler is dead.
>>4835437https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N62StawMcC8George: "So, here we are."Shannon: "Yes..."George: "Are you sure that this is what you wanted?"Shannon: "Yes, I've made my choice, and I'm not backing down on it, especially not now."George: "I'm glad, Shannon. See, I proved it to you, haven't I? I would do anything for you."Shannon: "Yes, you have indeed, and I'm happy."Kanon: "I suppose you have one final choice to make."Shannon: "That's right, Kanon-kun. You and I must part ways now."Kanon: "It's for the best. Not just for you and George, but for me as well."Shannon: "We are furniture no longer, Kanon."Kanon: "That's right, Nee-san. I'll wait for you at the Golden Land. Goodbye."Shannon: "Yes. I'll see you there, eventually."George: "Are you sure about this, Shannon?"Shannon: "Sayo."George: "Eh?"Shannon: "Call me Sayo."George: "Alright then, Sayo. Let's go see Maria then, we promised her we would take her to the Golden Land."Shannon: "Yes, we shouldn't keep her waiting."George: "You also promised her that she would be able to meet up with Beatrice."Shannon: "Mhm. Let's all meet Beatrice together."
>>4835440The official solutionWhydunnit:Shannon and Kanon, or rather Yasuda Sayo, convinced George that the only way their love can blossom is to have the rest of the Ushiromiya family wiped out. Everyone could stand in their way, therefore they all had to be killed. With one exception; they felt sorry for Maria who had been Yasuda's ally for a very long time. Maria was promised to meet Beatrice in the Golden Land, where everyone could be happy. Whether Yasuda sent off everyone to the Golden Land or not by the end was still a mystery.Whodunnit:The culprits are George, Maria, Shannon, and Kanon. The culprit of the first twilight could've been either George or Shannon and Kanon, but it doesn't really matter, either of them could've killed the first 6 victims, Eva, and Kyrie.. Maria killed her own mother, with the help of Yasuda. They gave Maria something that could immobilize Rosa, like a stun gun, as well as a small dagger to commit the murder itself and taught her how to use it. George or Shannon and Kanon could've killed Nanjo. George killed Hideyoshi.Howdunnit:For the victims of the first twilight, Shannon and Kanon were responsible for locking the doors after the murders have been committed. Since George, Maria, Shannon and Kanon were in it together, they lied during the second twilight to ensure each other's alibies, but it was one of them who killed Eva and Kyrie, and then Shannon or Kanon locked the kitchen doors afterwards. For Rosa's murder, as was already stated, Maria did it. Either Rosa or Maria could've locked the bathroom from the inside. George, Shannon, and Kanon couldn't directly participate in the murder, since they were outside of the bathroom when the murder occurred. Again, Nanjo was killed outside the mansion by either George, Shannon or Kanon when Rudolf, Battler, and Hideyoshi wouldn't notice. For the last murder, George managed to separate Hideyoshi from the rest of the group and murder him in one of the guestrooms upstairs, which George himself locked from the inside afterwards and pretended to be dead.
>>4835445This post describes the official solution to my mystery.That's it from me for now, however, this isn't over yet.Dlanor, you're up!
>>4835433Italianon herei spotted it at first.....not a second place anon
>>4835448Yes, Lady BeRɴkᴀsteM.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpfJXIEZb7c>>4833257Several rule violations, Blue Truth JɴvᴀMJd.Characters who are not culprits only speak the truth.Purple statements have the same power as Red Truth. Only the culprit can lie in purple statements.Outside of spoken statements, there are no lies in the narration.While it is true that in the scenario you proposed, only the culprits confirmed the deaths of Rosa and Maria, which could have been false, however, an important piece of information lies in the narration of the fourth and fifth twilights which states that the tragedy of the fourth and fifth twilights were carried out in one go. While both of them could have been pretending to be dead, the fact is pretending to be dead is not a crime, therefore it can't be classified as a tragedy. Additionally, witnessing a human corpse, whether it's truly dead or alive, is not a tragedy either. What I'm saying is, the tragedy that occured in the bathroom was the crime of murder, or rather homicide.As to why Maria is definitely the culprit, and Rosa is the victim of a crime, Maria's statement from the second twilight can be seen as a lie: "[purple]Shannon and Kanon played with Maria and George the entire time in the parlor![/purple]", otherwise George, Maria, Shannon or Kanon couldn't have been the ones to kill Eva and Kyrie. If George, Shannon, and Kanon lied to create a false alibi, then so did Maria. Furthermore, none of Rosa's statements in the story can be considered as lies, as they are all confirmed by either the narration or other characters which you haven't branded as culprits. With all of that being said, when Rosa was discovered in the bathroom, she wasn't pretending to be dead, she was truly dead with the theory you proposed.
>>4834673Several rule violations, Blue Truth invalid.Characters who are not culprits only speak the truth.Purple statements have the same power as Red Truth. Only the culprit can lie in purple statements.Outside of spoken statements, there are no lies in the narration.There's several weak points to your theory. You claim that Shannon or Kanon unlocked the bathroom door for Kyrie, however since you didn't brand George as a culprit, his statement is considered true in this scenario: "[purple]After we confirmed that the bathroom was safe, we left leaving only Rosa and Maria in the bathroom, after which they locked the bathroom from the inside.[/purple]" The bathroom being 'safe' would imply that no other character was hiding inside the bathroom along with Rosa and Maria. With only this statement it can be said that Kyrie couldn't have killed Rosa and Maria inside the bathroom, because only Rosa and Maria could have been in the bathroom at that time with the theory you proposed.Your second weak point was assuming Nanjo could have commited the crimes inside the guesthouse. During the sixth twilight, Hideyoshi whom you haven't accused of being a culprit said: "Without much of a choice, [purple]we left Nanjo behind[/purple], after which [purple]the rest of us safely reached the guesthouse.[/purple]", and the 'rest of us' in this context refers to Rudolf, Battler, George, Hideyoshi, Shannon and Kanon, so even if Rudolf lied by saying that 'no one else entered the guesthouse after us', Nanjo couldn't have entered the guesthouse, because he was ruled out by Hideyoshi's statement.What's more, the narration of the seventh and eight twilight states that the group had barricaded themselves inside the guesthouse while also checking that no one suspicious was hiding inside and in this case 'someone suspicious' would be anyone other than Rudolf, Battler, George, Hideyoshi, Shannon, and Kanon. All of this leads to the conclusion that Nanjo couldn't have killed George and Hideyoshi inside the guesthouse because Nanjo was not inside the guesthouse with the theory you proposed.Also, having only a group of culprits discover two victims at the end and pretend they don't know anything about it is absurd.God damn it, the small caps got fucked up. Ignore that.
>>4835227>>4835233Several rule violations, Blue Truth invalid.Characters who are not culprits only speak the truth.Purple statements have the same power as Red Truth. Only the culprit can lie in purple statements.Outside of spoken statements, there are no lies in the narration.Lady Erika, having to inform you that you've made an error in your submission makes me very sad. Maria's statement regarding Shannon's and Kanon's whereabouts during the Second twilight, let's focus on that. Since you did not brand Maria as a culprit in your proposed scenario, her following statement is considered true: "[purple]Shannon and Kanon played with Maria and George the entire time in the parlor[/purple]" and since you didn't claim Battler to be a culprit either, his earlier statement is also true: "[purple]When we got to the kitchen, it was locked. We had Kanon unlock it for us. [/purple]", of course the 'we' or 'the group' in the context of the Second twilight refers to Rudolf, Rosa, George, Battler, Maria, Hideyoshi, Shannon, Kanon, and Nanjo and by adding those two truths together we get to the conclusion that Shannon and Kanon were playing with Maria and George the entire time in the parlor, until they all as a group visited the kitchen.We can further solidify these statements by examining the narration, which states that the group had spent most of the time in the parlor and certain group members became tired and wanted to move away from the parlor and find respite elswhere in the mansion. If George, Maria, Shannon, and Kanon were in the parlor the entire time like Maria claimed, before they all went to the kitchen as a group, then neither of them belong to the certain group members who moved away from the parlor to go somewhere else in the mansion, meaning Shannon, Kanon, or George who were in the parlor could not have killed Eva and Kyrie who were in the kitchen with the theory you proposed.Had you claimed Maria to be the culprit instead of Rosa, your reasoning would have been outstanding.
>>4834628The mistake in this submission was minor.You didn't point out why only Maria was the one faking her death, when both Rosa and Maria could've been faking their deaths. After all, only the culprits confirmed their deaths in spoken statements, which could've been lies. To confirm that Rosa was indeed killed, the narration needs to be addressed. Other than that, Blue Truth valid.>>4833959Refer to these two clarifications to understand the mistakes of your submission: >>4835458 >>4835462
I won't lie, I was filtered hard during this mystery :(
>>4835449This wasn't about who got there first, it's about who got the closest to the official answer proposed by Lady Bernkastel. But, since there are no second places in this game, you have in fact won. Any other questions?
>>4835462D-DLANOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRR!!!!![blue]W-while its true that I forgot to even check Maria's statements, I said in my solution that it's either Maria or Rosa![/blue] UUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH I SAID ROSA OR MARIA YOU CANT JUST THROW AWAY MY ENTIRE THEORY LIKE THAT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>4835471.......my solution is exactly this message except ""kinda""" the motive >>4835445
>>4835451Honestly I only added rosa because I didn't imagine maria would be able to kill her in the bathroom, I thought she lacks the required strength both physically and mentally. I guess the part about "tragedy" is a good point tho I will keep it in mind for future mysteries.
>>4835473I'm afraid that would count as having two submissions. One submission that claims that George, Maria, Shannon, and Kanon are culprits, and another submission that claims that George, Rosa, Shannon, and Kanon are culprits. The blame here falls on your master, Lady Bernkastel. She didn't warn you about this. Perhaps that was her........ no, forgive me. I can't speak ill of Lady Bernkastel.>>4835480It's alright, Lady Bernkastel's words that weren't spoken in Red can be left for interpretation. There is no first or second place in this game, only winners and losers. [gold]You won.[/gold]
>>4835433I didn't want to be right... Aniki... why?
>>4835458Now that my theory has been justifiably disproven, I need to reverse my status as a loser. Here is my response to your arguments:For Rosa and Maria's deaths, why can't George's statement be true and also have Kyrie kill them? [blue]George says the bathroom is safe. Then Shannon+Kanon unlock the door for Kyrie. Kyrie kills Rosa and Maria and locks herself inside. The room being safe when they left does not imply that it will continue to be safe.[/blue]For Nanjo, what if he wasn't hiding? [blue]Nanjo appeared openly in front of everyone and killed Hideyoshi/George while Battler killed the other one. The narration never mentions how they discovered the crime, it only says that they were checking the guesthouse when it happened. Therefore Nanjo could have walked up to Hideyoshi and George while they were checking, initiating the murder.[/blue]While I understand the official solution makes the murders possible, I don't like George's willingness to kill Hideyoshi. This was a great purple mystery (I'm trying to write my own at the moment and I'm impressed with the way you write purple statements, I find it a little tricky).Thanks!
>>4835509George, at least when written by Ikuko and Tohya (see: ep4 and ep6), is willing to sacrifice anyone else when it comes to Shannon, even his parents.Good luck on your mystery, I look forward to it.
Another excellent tale. I can see these actually being the culprits in one of the real stories, although George and Sayo actually killing Battler for his sin hurts just a little bit. Maria killing Rosa with the stun gun is something I didn't think of as a method of her being able to kill someone. Well done again for creating yet another loveless story.
>>4835529In the situations you bring up, George is forced to kill his parents. He is told that he must do so by Gasp and Zepar+Furfur. He doesn't decide that on his own. This is what I feel is inaccurate.
>>4835487[blue]M-my red statement[/blue] "[red]This is my official submission.[/red]" [blue]refers to the Maria culprit theory![/blue] After all, [blue]I posted two probable theories as one, meaning I haven't actually posted one single final theory![/blue] Had Bern asked me to do so, I would have. BUT NOW ILL DO IT! [blue]MY REAL THEORY IS MARIA, GEORGE AND SHAKNON![/blue] uuuuuoooooooooooohhhh...It's okay though, thanks for this amazing mystery. I have to say I am very, very impressed with how the clues and the hints are laid down, it was amazing seeing multiple lines connecting in such a satisfying way. (e.g Rudolf being responsible for whether Nanjo is a culprit), though I have to say I don't think the reasoning I got from the red truths is intentional from your part, kihihihi...Thank you for this very excellent mystery anon! 100/10!
>>4835509Submission rules violated, Blue Truth invalid.If you only submit one answer by the end, that answer will count as your final submission by default.If you have submitted multiple answers but haven't announced which one is your final by the end, only your first submission will count as your final submission.You have 24 hours to submit your answers, until I decide to reveal the official solution. or Lady Bernkastel is not obligated to accept any further theories as or submissions as valid. However, I will respond to your clarification request anyway. Additional point that disproves your Nanjo culprit theory is the fact that Nanjo is required to die in the events of the sixth twilight. See here how the word tragedy in the narration implies that 'the crime of murder being committed = tragedy': >>4835451With the scenario where doctor Nanjo died during the events of the sixth twilight, the following rule in your theory is violated:A culprit must not die.
>>4835544Welp. I kneel.The mystery was fantastic. Even though I knew I'd be wrong I kept fighting. Having Rudolf and Battler survive really felt off and so my brain decided on the culprits. However, the mystery was written with a different solution in mind and thus my theory fails to work.I hope you look forward to my purple mystery (it might take me a while though).
>>4835537Lady Erika, in your final submission you stated the following: "Shannon, Kanon, Rosa (or Maria, but I'm going for Rosa) and George.", your intention and emphasis on Rosa rather than Maria can't be ignored, and since you announced that as your final submission in Red, I must inform you that your final submission claims that Shannon, Kanon, Rosa, and George are the culprits.Not only that, but trying to change your answer at this point is breaking the following rule:Once you've announced your final submission in Red, you can't revoke it anymoreDon't worry about it, I really liked your submission and the way you presented it. You're also a winner in my book.
>>4835536True, but considering how battler acts in bern's purple game, the purple mystery version of the culprits tends to be darker and more evil than their usual counterpart. You could call this George "Black George". So while regular jooji would only do it when forced, Black Jooji would be proactive about it.
>>4835566D-dlanor... Thank you so much!
>>4835581I think the choice is fine, I just personally disagree with it. I don't mean to say you can't have characters act in cruel ways and this mystery turned out great. It's just that when I was thinking about a solution, I was projecting my image of George onto 'Black George'.
I suppose we can safely assume that the game is over for now. So, how was it? Did you like my mystery? Do you want to see more? Well, too bad, because I'm taking a short break from hosting. I can't keep stealing all the spotlight, I need to make room for other witches as well. I'm looking forward to see what kind of new mysteries you'll present. You better not disappoint.
>>4835695I liked it.
>>4835695Very based anon! can't wait till the next one!
>>4835695Italianon here i know that you hate me but the problem of this mystery is Shkanonshe was clearly the only possibility to open the door of the first twiligth.give the reader more way to interact next time and nothing forbit rosa to be a culprit too, pls make only 1 solution possible and evident.this are my advice anon or your mystery will become too easy and your hardwork will be wasted.
>>4835724I know what you mean. Creating these mysteries made me aware of how actually hard it is to make a truly difficult purple statement mystery/puzzle. Also making 100% sure that there's only one possible solution, while also making it difficult to reach, is very tricky. However, I will try my best to improve with my future mysteries and avoid having solutions that are too obvious at first glance, or having multiple possible solutions.
>>4835761i will wait for your mystert anontry to read Knox and Van Dine rules, just respect them will improve your work since is not soo easy respect all of them.
>>4835764Did I even break that many Van Dine and Knox rules with my two latest mysteries? Asides from having servants as culprits, which other rules did I break?
>>4835695Good mystery but ye removing all master keys but shkanon makes it way easier. You didn't include "it doesn't take a doctor to know that a person is dead or alive after they have been inspected" this time so I thought you would do something interesting with it. I do agree writing mystreries is very hard but you do quite a good job at it and I think most ppl enjoy them quite a bit.
>>4835769nothing anon then is a purple mystery how can you violate that?what i mean read the knox and van dine truth, Van dine and Knox even explain why you must use that ruleREAD THATwill help you so much.
One more question. What do you think of the submission rules I've imposed so far? Is it better being restricted to one answer per poster ID, a shorter deadline, and having to guess only the whodunnit? Or is having the option to post multiple answers under strict guidelines, a longer timeframe, and having to guess the whodunnit and howdunnit better? Or should there be no submission rules and anyone can post whatever, whenever, and however many times they want?
>>4835868I think last ruleset(1 answer, 24h, who+whydunnit) is the best as long as you have your friend dlanor deny all the wrong theories at the end, it feels the most fitting for purple mystery.
>>4835868I think restricting submissions is for the best, as it forces people to think before posting. As for how many attempts I'd say only 1 if the timeframe is short (see: first mystery) or more if there's a longer timeframe (like this one). For the timeframe I guess It'd be better if you decide on it per mystery depending on how tired/busy you are. Tbh I don't really care much so you can prioritize other opinions over mine if you like them more, although I like having certain restrictions so that it doesn't become a large amount of back and forward posts. I feel like those should be saved for the traditional red vs blue mysteries.
>>4835868I think for the purple mysteries the second option is the best. The last one should be kept for normal mysteries (non purple ones).
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! I made the same mistake twice! TWICE!! No one noticed the second mistake, but here, I'll point it out for you.During the sixth twilight, Rudolf's last statement: >>4833123Rudolf: "[purple]Battler, Hideyoshi, Shannon, Kanon and I entered the guesthouse, and no one else entered the guesthouse after us. After we entered, we had the entrance doors locked.[/purple]"Again, what I meant to write is:Rudolf: "[purple]George, Battler, Hideyoshi, Shannon, Kanon and I entered the guesthouse, and no one else entered the guesthouse after us. After we entered, we had the entrance doors locked.[/purple]"Why do I keep forgetting about Jooji?! Well, it's not like it really mattered anyway. No one picked up on it, and it didn't really affect anyone's submissions. It could be that we all collectively understood that all of them had entered the guesthouse, so we all probably just skimmed through Rudolf's statement where he was just listing all the remaining characters. I guess protip for future purple mysteries: double-check your statements where a character is listing several other characters and make sure you don't leave anyone out.
>>4836787he is a great culprit anon
>>4836787It's okay, still a great mystery.I was hoping you made some mistake in the Maria/Rosa part so I can justify my loss, BUT FUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKK
>>4836787Jooji is very forgettable in the actual murder mystery portions. He's mostly memorable in the magic parts. It's why it's so weird when he's a culprit, and why I can appreciate any stories that have him as one. It's no worry though, since it didn't cause any issues in the answers.
Keiichi, Satoko and Rika live in an apartment of three rooms.After a yet another day, the group heads to their rooms to sleep (9:00 PM).Next morning (6:00 AM), the servant calls them for breakfast but something is odd, no one is is answering her calls.Worried, she knocks on Satoko's door, no response. She tries opening it but no chance.She gives up and goes to Keiichi's room, which was open but Keiichi was not there.Lastly, she checks on Rika's room only to find a red liquid spilling underneath the locked door. Blood, perhaps? The servant asks herself while dialing the police...You're obliged to find the whodunit and howdunit. The whydunit is optional, however [red]it is critical.[/red] It could serve as your biggest hint, that is, if you manage to guess it correctly.[red]There is a six hour deadline. If the correct howdunit and whydunit weren't found six hours from now I will release the solution.[/red]You're free to throw over as many theories as you want, and I'll gladly deny them for you, however you have to settle down on one final submission before the deadline, otherwise none of your theories will be accepted.Regarding the gameboard, [red]there exist no keys in this game, only chain locks.[/red] And as you might have guessed, [red]chains can only be set from the inside.[/red]Closed doors are as the name implies, closed doors. [red]They can be opened or closed by anyone. They're not locked.[/red]I suppose that's all that needs to be said, you may begin now, kihihihihihi...
>>4837028There are another infos or is just this?
>>4837028Repeat this if you can: A crime was committed in this mystery. The fact that you haven't confirmed the life/death status of any of the characters raises the possibility that [blue]everyone is alive and this is all some sort of elaborate prank.[/blue]
>>4837028Also keichi door is closwd but tje sarvant say was open
>>4837028I won't be able to tackle your mystery right away, but I will give it a shot later. Hopefully before the deadline is over.I've been reading the Forgery of the Purple Logic spin-off manga today and I've been trying to come up with the solution for that, so essentially I'm already invested in solving one mystery already. Also my brain cells are a bit fried at the moment. But like I said, I will try to solve your mystery as well.
>>4837028Pls explain if i can open a door from outside, same from the window or if a non-culprit can exit from the room or open the door to anyone else
>>4837028Anyways, I'll try out the simplest theory.[blue]Keiichi is the culprit.[/blue][blue]Keiichi left his room and went outside. From there he entered the rooms of Satoko and Rika through the windows and killed them. There was never a need to unset the chains to their rooms at any point. Afterwards Keiichi escapes, explaining why he isn't in his room.[/blue]As for the whydunit, [blue]Rika and Satoko are really annoying. They keep talking to each other through their windows and Keiichi, being between them, hears everything. So Keiichi killed them and after realizing what he did decided to go on the run.[/blue]
>>4837035That's all there is for now. I suppose it is obvious but [red]at least one person left their room that night.[/red]>>4837036Heheheh, sure [red]a crime was committed in this mystery. The crime is murder.[/red] However I'm not confirming any deaths until you come up with a reasonable theory.>>4837038[red]No such trickery exists in this mystery.[/red][red]The gameboard is devoid of lies. Satoko's door was in fact locked.[/red]>>4837040it's okay, take your time anon!also I'll be erika posting for a change, I know erika never hosted a game before but let's just ignore that.>>4837043Hehe, [red]Keiichi did not enter any room through any window.[/red]
>>4837046[blue]K1 entered Rika's room through the door, killed her, set the chain and unlocked and escaped through the window. Then he did the same for Satoko.[/blue]As seen in the map, Satoko and Rika's doors weren't locked when they apparently went to sleep. Hopefully in their next lives they will learn to keep their rooms locked.
>>4837046A now understand the game[blue]Rika call Keichi in her room and killed him once he arrived,closed her door, set the chain then she make Satoko exit from the window and killed her. [/blue]
>>4837050I suppose my red truth wasn't good enough, but Keiichi did not go through any windows.Or rather, [red]he did go through a window, but only once.[/red] Kihihihihi...>>4837051Hehe, nice try but [red]Rika does not have the power to manipulate Satoko into going out of the window.[/red]
>>4837028>You're free to throw over as many theories as you want, and I'll gladly deny them for you, however you have to settle down on one final submission before the deadline, otherwise none of your theories will be accepted.Hold on, can you elaborate on this? This seems to be a classic witch duel mystery, and yet we can only present one final submission? Aren't we supposed to go back and forth with reds and blues until the solution basically reveals itself? The six hour time limit should be there to serve as your victory condition. If the solution hasn't been revealed by then, you win; if we discover it before the 6 hour time limit, you lose. Correct?
>>4837046There was something I hadn't considered. Even if K1 didn't enter through the window, [blue]a culprit X very well can.[/blue] So confirm the number of humans present in this game. The whodunit being a mysteries culprit X might anger some, but I treat it as a valid possibility.>>4837058[blue]Culprit X kidnapped Keiichi. Since the culprit escaped through Satoko or Rika's window, Keiichi passed through that window with him.[/blue]
>>4837058[blue] Rika know that Satoko and Keichi had a secret affair and Satoko will exit from thw window to met him in secret. Rika betrayled by his bf wait for Satoko exit, killed her, then made Keiichi open his door by faking to be Satoko and killed him [/blue]SLEEP WELL MY BEAUTIFUL WITCH
>>4837060You may discover the solution before the six hour time limit, however you need to submit a final theory describing the whydunit and howdunit, and [red]I'm not confirming any submissions until the six hours have passed.[/red] And you know what this means in the witch world, kihihihihi...>>4837065Rest assured, my mystery does not contain such cheap trickery.[red]There are four humans in this mystery. The culprit is among them.[/red][red]Keiichi was not kidnapped.[/red] I assume that's enough to deny your theory?>>4837068Oh how silly, [red]Satoko and Keiichi had no affairs.[/red][red]Rika did not pretend to be Satoko to call Keiichi out.[/red]
>>4837058I'll propose another K1 culprit theory. [blue]K1 killed Satoko, escaped through her window and then killed Rika. K1 didn't escape through the window but remained in the room with Rika. Either K1 committed suicide or is simply hiding in her room.[/blue]K1's whydunit remains the same.
>>4837084[red]Keiichi is not hiding in Rika's room.[/red]Actually, let me be more specific. [red]At the time the servant called the police, Keiichi was not hiding inside Rika's room.[/red]
>>4837083[blue] dosen't matter there is a motive X that Make Satoko exit to met Keiichi, for the door Rika could just ask Battler to exit or come to her room [/blue][blue] Rika had a secret affair with Keichi and my solution swap with Satoko as culprit [/blue]Sorry to be so superficial but i use the red to destroy my theory in full
>>4837098[blue]So K1 committed suicide, so he's not technically hiding.[/blue] Or alternatively, [blue]By the time the servant called the police, K1 undid the chain and escaped.[/blue]
>>4837099HAHAHAH Battler? What does Battler have to do with this?[red]There are only four humans in this mystery. Keiichi, Satoko, Rika and the servant.[/red]You probably meant to say Keiichi, so here you go. [red]Rika had no secret affair with Keiichi.[/red] Surely you can do better than this?>>4837106[red]Keiichi did not commit suicide.[/red][red]Keiichi was not inside Rika's room upon the servant's arrival[/red], hehe.
>>4837110So I'll turn it around. [blue]K1 killed Rika first, then Satoko and then proceeded to hide/commit suicide in Satoko's room.[/blue] You can't throw me off so easy. K1 being the culprit might be the most obvious, but actually choosing to be the fool and pick the obvious answer requires some level of guts (I hope).
>>4837110[blue] Keiichi knock at Rika's door and kill her once she open the door but Satoko was inside too and Keiichi killed her, chained the door and exit from the open window [/blue]
>>4837114>>4837114Let me end this once and for all, [red]Keiichi was never inside Rika's room.[/red]
>>4837120[blue]Keiichi killed Rika without entering her room. He stabbed her through the door! He shot her with a gun through the window! He convinced Rika to commit suicide! Keiichi killed Rika without entering the room through method X![/blue] And to explain the door being locked and the window being open, [blue]Keiichi was threatening Rika, so she tried to stay alive by setting the chain and tried to escape through the window. This didn't work and she still ended up dead.[/blue]
>>4837120[blue] Rika open to door to Keiichi with the chian set and Keiichi killed her from outside, then he waited for Satoko open the window to mett with Rika and then he killed her [/blue]
Just realized something. You said in red that the whydunit is critical to getting the mystery and yet the servant exists as a possible culprit. We know nothing of the servant outside of what's presented in the opening post. Keiichi, Satoko and Rika can be inferred to be similar to the Higurashi characters themselves, and as such have possible motives to commit a crime. K1, Satoko and Rika all have the capacity to snap and commit murder, but the same isn't known of the servant. [blue]Therefore the culprit who committed the crimes cannot be the servant![/blue]
>>4837129>>4837131HAHAHAHAHA[red]Keiichi can not convince Rika to commit suicide. Keiichi did not use any guns. Keiichi did not murder Rika from the outside of her room.[/red]Here's a little hint, [red]all murders were carried directly by hands. This does not include guns.[/red]>>4837135Hooooh, making some moves aren't you. You're free to assume whatever you want though, I'm not confirming that statement.
>>4837140[blue]The only murder done here was Keiichi killing Satoko. Rika committed suicide because her dearest friend Satoko is dead.[/blue] Repeat this if you can: No action taken by Keiichi brought about Rika's death.
>>4837146[red]Rika did not commit suicide because her dearest friend Satoko is dead.[/red]I decline your repetition request.
>>4837153[blue]RIKA ISN'T DEAD! She's just scared/depressed/paranoid because someone was murdered in a room right next to hers. As I previously said, the only murder that took place here was Keiichi killing Satoko.[/blue]
>>4837155Awwwwwww, you cornered me into confirming one of the murders, not bad Battora-kun![red]Rika is in fact DEAD.[/red] Kihihihihihihih...
>>4837158[blue]SATOKO ISN'T RIKA'S DEAREST FRIEND, BUT THE FACT THAT SATOKO WAS MURDERED STILL DROVE RIKA TO SUICIDE STILL REMAINS![/blue]
>>4837165S-so?? What does that mean? GIVE ME YOUR THEORY BATTORA!
>>4837166[blue]Keiichi killed Satoko and then escaped through her window. Hearing the murder going on in the other room drove Rika to commit suicide.[/blue]
>>4837153[blue] Rika commited suicide she seen satoko killing Battler [/blue]
>>4837168[red]Rika did not commit suicide because of Keiichi killing Satoko.[/red] Ohohohoho...>>4837171[red]Rika did not commit suicide because of Battler killing Satoko.[/red] It's Keiichi, KEI ICHI!
The murders are taking place in an apartment, correct? Surely you would die if you jump out of an apartment window.[Blue]Satoko knocked on Keiichi's door and invited him to her room, Rika heard this because her door was open. Satoko set the chain on her door, opened her locked window, and pushed Keiichi out of the window. Rika clearly heard Keiichi's screams and opened her window to look at what had just happened, what awaited her was Keiichi's broken corpse. Rika set the chain on her door out of fear and started to freak out. Satoko left her room and listened to what was going on in Rika's room, once she heard proof that Rika was killing herself (grunts, thuds, stabbing sounds) she would go back into her room, set the chain, and jump to her death from the window.[Blue]For the motive, [Blue]perhaps this is yet another one of Satoko's attempts to mind break Rika so she stays in Hinamizawa forever[Blue]
>>4837173[blue] Satoko and Rika, both are in love with Keiichi and since no one can betrayl her friend decided to kill themself, Keichi shocked kill himself too [/blue]
>>4837177oops, I messed up the blue truths[blue]Satoko knocked on Keiichi's door and invited him to her room, Rika heard this because her door was open. Satoko set the chain on her door, opened her locked window, and pushed Keiichi out of the window. Rika clearly heard Keiichi's screams and opened her window to look at what had just happened, what awaited her was Keiichi's broken corpse. Rika set the chain on her door out of fear and started to freak out. Satoko left her room and listened to what was going on in Rika's room, once she heard proof that Rika was killing herself (grunts, thuds, stabbing sounds) she would go back into her room, set the chain, and jump to her death from the window.[/blue][blue]perhaps this is yet another one of Satoko's attempts to mind break Rika so she stays in Hinamizawa forever[/blue]gomenasai nanodesu
>>4837177HOHOHOHOHOHO, how amusing.[red]Satoko did not push Keiichi out of the window.[/red][red]Satoko did not commit suicide because of Rika suiciding.[/red][red]Rika did not commit suicide out of fear.[/red]Also, keep in mind that you have to submit one theory before the deadline. Should I take this as your final submission, even though I just denied it? Kihihihi...>>4837179[red]Keiichi did not commit suicide out of shock.[/red]
>>4837198[blue] Keichi was the mastermind of these 2 suicide [/blue]IT'S OVER KNEEL
>>4837198I'm back. [blue]Satoko is the culprit.[/blue][blue]Satoko first locks her room and escapes through the window. Then she kills Keiichi and relocates his corpse elsewhere. Then Satoko enters Rika's room and kills her. Afterwards Satoko exits through Rika's window and escapes.[/blue] I'll add that [blue]The order in which Satoko commits the two crimes is irrelevant. She committed one of them and then the other.[/blue]
>>4837028Ohoho, let me try my hand at it.The upper half of the map is marked with 9:30 PM, while the kids were stated to go to sleep at 9:00. Therefore, [blue]the upper half of the map shows a situation that is different from how it was at 9:00 PM[/blue]. Moreover, why is Rika's door open? [blue]The upper half of the map shows the situation in the middle of the murder.[/blue]. Since we know Keiichi didn't enter any rooms through a window, yet did go through a window once, he either was thrown out of the window or escaped through it. Since Satoko didn't do it and Rika is dead, I posit that [blue]Keiichi is alive[/blue], [blue]Keiichi escaped through a window[/blue] and [blue]Keiichi is the culprit[/blue].[ blue]Rika's door wasn't locked[/blue], so Keiichi just entered and [blue]killed Rika with a sharp implement[/blue]. Then [blue]Keiichi locked Rika's door[/blue] and escaped.Meanwhile, [blue]Satoko is alive[/blue]. She heard the murder in progress, [blue]locked her door[/blue], then remembered it's only a chain lock and [blue]fled through the window[/blue]
>>4837202What suicides? I didn't confirm any suicides, at least not yet.>>4837208Battora-kun... I suppose it is time. [red]It is physically impossible for anyone to leave through their window.[/red] Surely you know what this means, right?>>4837210Aww, for an old lady to be sharper than almost everyone here, isn't it kind of hilarious?Nice observations, Obasan, HOWEVER [red]Rika's door WAS locked upon the time of her death.[/red]Also, while the gameboard describes the apartment's state 30 minutes later than the narrative, that does not necessarily mean the murders occurred in that time span. It was used only as a hint for the room states and prove that someone at least left their room overnight.
>>4837217[blue] Keiichi played with Satoko and Rika friendship and after think that the other 1 betrayled her both commited suicide as in Keichi's plan [/blue]
>>4836787Jooji is such a good culprit even you, the GM, doesn't notice his absense.
>>4837217That they can only leave through a window not their own. So I'll present the following Blue Truth. [blue]Satoko and Keiichi are both culprits.[/blue][blue]Satoko left her room through her door, went to Rika's room, killed her, set the chain and then Satoko returned to her own room by first going through Rika's window. Keiichi noticed the blood and decided to kill Satoko. So he enters Satoko's room, sets the chain, kills her and escapes through her window.[/blue]That way it all works, right?
>>4837224Hohoho, I expected this. Unfortunately, [red]you're wrong.[/red]I'll say it clearly this time. [red]It is physically impossible for anyone to go through a window in this apartment, otherwise they would die.[/red] Having some clues now, Battora-shwannnn???>>4837219[red]Keiichi would never do such a thing.[/red] Why would he do that to his lovely young friends??
>>4837229[blue]Satoko killed Rika and then remained in Rika's room. Keiichi, being an accomplice, was directed to remain in Satoko's room and set the chain.[/blue]
>>4837229[blue] then is all a Satoko's plan to make Rika and Keiichi kill themself, first she insulted Rika until death then he refuse Keichi's love declaration to make him die [/blue]
>>4837229[blue]Keiichi was murdered in Rika's room, chopped into pieces, and those pieces were then thrown out the window.[/blue]This is how he left the window no human could pass through!
>>4837231[red]There are no accomplices in this game.[/red]By the way, [red]a culprit is someone who murders. A culprit can die.[/red]You're getting close, Battora.>>4837232Aww, why does everything have to be about love around you? I already denied Satoko and Keiichi having an affair. [red]Satoko/Rika could not have murdered Keiichi by denying his confession, and vice versa.[/red]>>4837237HAHAHAHAHAH, fantastic attempt. [red]Keiichi was not chopped to pieces.[/red]
>>4837243Well Keiichi doesn't need to be an accomplice for it to work. [blue]Keiichi was convinced or tricked to lock himself in Satoko's room[/blue]
>>4837245I-I refuse to repeat.
>>4837217[blue] Keiichi locked Rika's door before killing her [/blue]
>>4837243I'm joining late so I doubt I'll be right. [blue]Satoko went to Rika's room during the night and killed her, locked the door from the inside, got out of the window and ran away. Keiichi heard a loud noise while this was happening, waking him up. He tried going to Rika's room first, where he heard the noise, but the room was already locked. Thus, he headed for satoko's room, which at the time was left opened. He set the chain just in case. After being unable to spot the Satok in the room, he peered through the window and caught a gimples of the blonde fugitive, and proceeded to jump out of the window to pursue her.[/blue]
>>4837248Hooh, I see your trick here. [red]Keiichi did not lock Rika's door.[/red] Surely that's enough, riiiiiiight??>>4837249Heh, there is some truth in your theory, however as I already denied in red [red]It is physically impossible for anyone to go through a window in this apartment, otherwise they would die.[/red] this means [red]Satoko could have not escaped through the window.[/red]
>>4837259Regardless of the risk, [blue]Keiichi passed through the window, dying the process.[/blue]
>>4837259[blue]Then Satoko is still inside of Rika's room.[/blue]I think I read this already while skimming through the thread.
>>4837259Hmhmhm[blue]The culprit stabbed Rika from outside of her door while the chain was set[/blue]
>>4837261K-[red]KEIICHI WOULD NEVER INTENTIONALLY JUMP THROUGH A WINDOW![/red] He's not insane, at least until he's L5!
>>4837259[blue] is all Rika's plan, she called Battler in her room and killed him once he arrive on the door, the she scream to Satoko for help because she found Battler dead once outside Rika killed her. [/blue]
>>4837265So he was L5. You never denied the existence of Hinamizawa Syndrome, so let's just say that [blue]K1 reached L5, likely as a result of Satoko killing Rika. Being in L5 caused him to lose his sense of reason and attempt to escape through the window, dying in the process.[/blue]
FUCK I JUST REALIZED THAT YOU CAN'T ESCAPE THROUGH THE WINDOW BECAUSE [blue]THE ROOMS ARE TOO HIGH UP TO ESCAPE FROM WITHOUT FALLING TO YOUR DEATH.[/blue]UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH WHY DIDN'T I REALIZE THIS BEFORE?
>>4837265Since Keiichi never was to Rika's room, and he isn't in his room, and he passed through a window, this means [blue]he passed through Satoko's window[/blue]. Since Satoko did not push him through, and he himself wouldn't do it, [blue]Rika must have done it.[/blue].Afterwards, [blue]Rika was killed by Satoko[/blue] as a revenge.
>>4837263Oi, Great Detective.
>>4837263You have to elaborate, Battora. At which point exactly was Satoko inside Rika's room? I could fool you by saying in red "Satoko was at some point inside Rika's room" and make you think Satoko is directly responsible, however I never said anything about the time prior to 9 AM, which means that statement is true since Satoko entered Rika's room before 9 AM, despite never entering it after 9 AM!Heh, you shouldn't worry however. I, Erika, The Witch of Truth, would never resort to such cheap sophistry.>>4837269>>4837273HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, [red]HOW INCOMPETENT![/red] NOW you realize this?Since you're so helpless I'll confirm it for you. [red]Since it is physically impossible for someone to leave through a window, the only way left is the doors![/red] [red]The only way for someone to leave a room is through the door, the windows were an illusion![/red]>>4837267Nice theory, however [red]Battler does not exist in this game.[/red] Kihihihihi...>>4837264[red]It is impossible to kill someone through the door![/red] Surely this is enough, Obasan?>>4837276Hohoho, not bad, but when did I confirm he wasn't in his room? Is it very possible he went through his window too.
>>4837290When did I say Rika was killed THROUGH the door? A chain lock leaves a gap between the door and the wall.But let's clarify it. Please say the following in red: [blue]It's impossible to kill someone while the killer is on one side of a door, the victim on the other, and the chain lock on the door is set[/blue]
>>4837290[blue]Satoko went to Rika's room during the night and killed her, locked the door from the inside, and stayed in the room all this time. Keiichi heard a loud noise while this was happening, waking him up. He tried going to Rika's room first, where he heard the noise, but the room was already locked. Thus, he headed for Satoko's room, which at the time was left opened. Once he was inside, he heard the servant coming, and he didn't want to be seen inside the room/coming out of the room of a young lady during the night, he locked it![/blue]
>>4837290Wait a second. You said that Keiichi passed through one of the windows, yet now you claim that it's physically impossible to pass through the windows?
>>4837290>The only way for someone to leave a room is through the door, the windows were an illusionOh, but didn't Keiichi go through a window once? Does this mean [blue] he entered a room through a window[/blue]?
>>4837300>>4837301There's a problem with that >>4837046, he couldn't have entered a room either.Erika, explain.
>>4837290[blue]KEIICHI CHOPPED PARTS OF HIS OWN BODY INTO PIECES. THESE PIECES OF KEIICHI WERE THROWN OUT OF SATOKO'S WINDOW, ALLOWING KEIICHI TO HAVE TRAVELED THROUGH THE WINDOW WHILE REMAINING IN SATOKO'S ROOM.[/blue]
I have returned, and I've immediately noticed something odd. I will repeat what you said in red.>>4837046"Keiichi did not enter any room through any window.">>4837058"Keiichi did go through a window, but only once.">>4837290"Since it is physically impossible for someone to leave through a window, the only way left is the doors! The only way for someone to leave a room is through the door, the windows were an illusion!"This is either some kind of trick, or a mistake that would lead to a logic error. However, I have faith in you and I believe that there's some kind of meaning behind these seemingly contradicting Red statements, or rather I think there's multiple interpretations at play here. For example the second Red I quoted could refer to a time before the events of this game. Keiichi went through a window at one point in his lifetime, but not during this game. Other than this, I won't present any other theories just yet, I just wanted to point this out so that everyone can see it.
guys keiichi die from window so he only enters one time, the red is valid i think
>>4837294O my bad, sure I'll confirm it for you. [red]It's impossible to kill someone while the killer is on one side of a door, the victim on the other, and the chain lock on the door is set.[/red]>>4837299Hehehe, very close, but [red]upon the servant's arrival, Keiichi was not inside Satoko's room.[/red]>>4837310HAHAHA, didn't I already deny this?GIVE UP, BATTORA!>>4837300>>4837301>>4837316Hoohohohoho believe me, [red]there's no contradiction here.[/red] In fact this could serve as your biggest hint so far.However I can't explain any further. THINK you fools, THINK!By the way, "the windows were an illusion" does not mean the windows don't exist, [red]they do.[/red]
>>4837323H-HANYUUUUUUUUUUU!! KEEP YOUR SILLY THEORIES TO YOURSELF!!
>>4837325Mhmhm, so [blue]Keiichi went through a window only partially[/blue] and then returned to the room, so he never left it.
>>4837290[blue] is all Rika's plan, she called Keichi in her room and killed him once he arrive on the door, the she scream to Satoko for help because she found Keichi dead once outside Rika killed her. [/blue]
>>4837325[blue]Keiichi's death was via his head being smashed through a window.[/blue] This could be either Satako's or Rika's, as [blue]shattering a window technically means it's open, as things can now pass through even with a lock.[/blue]
>>4837325Allow me to use my copy&paste magic:[blue]Satoko went to Rika's room during the night and killed her, locked the door from the inside, and stayed in the room all this time. Keiichi heard a loud noise while this was happening, waking him up. He tried going to Rika's room first, where he heard the noise, but the room was already locked. Thus, he headed for Satoko's room, which at the time was left opened. Once he was inside, he heard the servant coming, and he didn't want to be seen inside the room/coming out of the room of a young lady during the night, he locked it! However, he still needed to leave at some point during the night, but satoko being the master trapper that she is she had set up a trap for Keiichi in her room that would inject him with the L5 syringe. In his crazed state, Keiichi saw no other options than irrationally jumping out of the window to his death![/blue]It's all USELESS!
>>4837325I just had a funny theory[blue]It is possible for one of the humans on the gameboard to enter a room through a locked door[/blue]. We don't know how long those chains are.
>>4837325UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH[blue]RIKA WAS ASSAULTED OUTSIDE OF HER ROOM AND THEN IN HER ROOM SHE BLED OUT AFTER SETTING THE CHAIN. SATOKO CHOPPED KEIICHI INTO PIECES AND TOSSED HIM OUT HER WINDOW.[/blue]
>>4837337Why is the blue not working for my post? Where did I fuck up?? Is it actually blue and I'm just L5???
>>4837344Newlines break the script.
>>4837345I didn't even realize I used a new line.
>>4837325How about this? [blue]The narration and/or map is unreliable. At least one of the elements presented in the initial post was a lie. For example, let's say Satoko's room isn't really locked.[/blue]
>>4837332[red]You either go through a window or you don't.[/red][red]"Going through a window" means moving your whole body to the other side of the window, there's no in-betweens.[/red]>>4837333Didn't I already deny this? [red]Rika did not call Keiichi over to her room.[/red]>>4837336Hmm, let's just say [red]that never happened.[/red]>>4837339Hooh, your flexible thinking is very impressive considering your age Obasan, however [red]no one can enter a room through the gap made by the chain.[/red]>>4837337Hohohoho, nice attempt, [red]no such thing as a crazy syringe that turns you into a huge schizo exists![/red] That would break one of Knox's rules I think, which is not good. HOWEVER [red]THIS DOES NOT MEAN THIS MYSTERY FOLLOWS ALL OF KNOX'S AND VAN DINE'S RULES![/red]>>4837340HAHAHAHAHAHSorry but [red]ALL DEATHS IN THIS GAME ARE INSTANTANEOUS![/red]
>>4837355Battora-san, I'm afraid to inform you that your blue theory has already been denied. >>4837046
>>4837358[blue]It is possible to set up the chain from the outside! Either the chain is longer than usual, or whoever locked it (most likely k1) was proficient enough with wires/string/cables/whatever to lock a chain lock from the outside![/blue]
>>4837358Define "physically impossible". Define it specifically in the red truth. Else I'll just say that [blue]Keiichi passed through the window, even though it was "physically impossible" for him to do so.[/blue]>>4837360Sorry about that.
>>4837358Not all of the rules, you say...So Keiichi never was in Rika's room. Keiichi wasn't in Satoko's room when the servant arrived. The servant didn't see him in his room. And Keiichi didn't leave through a window. These things can't be true simultaneously. What if [blue]the servant lied about not finding Keiichi in his room[/blue]? Because it might be that [blue]the servant is the culprit[/blue]
>>4837358I'm just going to try something here and assault you with the same theory from earlier, posted here: >>4837231 >>4837245Satoko killed Rika and then remained in Rika's room. Keiichi was convinced or tricked to lock himself in Satoko's room.You refused to repeat the part about Keiichi being tricked to lock himself up in Satoko's room, but you never addressed Satoko killing Rika.
>>4837365[red]That's not possible.[/red] Check my opening post.>>4837366[red]By "physically impossible" I mean it is physically impossible to successfully go through a window without losing your life.[/red]Why did everyone forget my red truth here (>>4837259)? [red]It is physically impossible for anyone to go through a window in this apartment, otherwise they would die.[/red] It can't get anymore obvious than this.>>4837371Hohohoho, impressive once again Obasan, but let's just say [red]Van Dine's 11th applies to this mystery[/red].11. A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit.>>4837372I... I refuse to repeat.Also, I will stop giving hints when an hour is left before the deadline. You should use that remaining time to form and submit your final theories.
>>4837385[blue]Satoko had prepared a trap that'd throw keiichi out of the window in her room[/blue]
>>4837390[red]No traps existed inside any room.[/red]
>>4837385Alright, I think I got it now. Prepare for your requiem, Lady Erika.
>>4837385[blue]Keiichi's death was an accident! He accidentally tripped through the window and died.[.blue]
ok sorry for not being focus at 100%[blue] break a window make it a open window [/blue]THE FINAL SHOWDOWN
>>4837385[blue]Keiichi's death was an accident! He accidentally tripped through the window and died.[/blue]
>>4837391[blue]After killing Rika, Satoko returned to her room and pushed Keiichi (who has convinced/tricked to be on her room), he tied a string to keiichi's ankle and the chain lock quickly, pushed keiichi out of the window, and ran out outside before the chain lock was setup up by k1's fall. Then she returned to Rika's room and locked herself in.[/blue]Otherwise I might start believing in the accident theory like the anon above me said. There are only so many ones a locked room can be formed.
>>4837385By the way, I just thought of something. Since you're using Higurashi characters in your mystery, it would've been more appropriate to host this as Featherine, or rather, Eua. However, the issue with that is that Featherine does not have that many sprites and does not use a wide variety of expressions.
>>4837403Fanart is the way to go, but even that is somewhat limited.
>>4837392Hooh, we'll see what you got, Willardo.>>4837400[red]No accidents occurred in this game.[/red]>>4837402Hohohoh, how convenient for your pitiful theory.[red]There exists no mechanism that locks the the door remotely such as tying it to someone falling off the window.[/red]>>4837403True, well honestly when I was writing this mystery the characters came as an aftermath and I didn't give it much thought.[red]This post marks my final help for this mystery. I shall not confirm or deny anymore blue theories after this point.[/red]Good luck and have fun!
>>4837412>No accidents occurred in this game.Before I form my final theory, I just want to ask for a confirmation. How would you define an accident? In Red, of course. Is attempting to escape through a window despite knowing that if you fall you'll die, and if you do end up falling, would that count as an accident? Technically, I didn't pose a Blue Truth theory. Although, it sounds like I'm just begging for a hint at this rate.
Time has run out. So [red]this is my final theory.[/red][blue]Keiichi is the culprit.[/blue][blue]Keiichi killed Satoko in her own room. Then he jumped out of the window due to being under the effect of the Hinamizawa Syndrome. Rika committed suicide for some unrelated reason.[/blue][blue]The whydunit is Keiichi being under the influence of the Hinamizawa Syndrome. He wouldn't have killed Satoko otherwise.[/blue]
>>4837427Upon rereading my own post, I suppose it just comes of as ridiculous. Never mind, I shall attempt to propose a theory with the information we have been given so far.
>>4837412Ohoho, this is hard. But what can I do but present my final theory?[blue]Driven to paranoia by the Hinamizawa syndrome, Rika assaulted Keiichi, stabbed him to death and threw his body out of the window of his room. Then she went after Satoko. However, Satoko has heard the commotion and locked her door. Rika tried to beat down the door and scared Satoko so much that Satoko jumped out of the window and died. Afterwards, Rika returned to her room, came to her senses, realized what she'd doen and killed herself.[/blue]
Yup, I'm kinda stumped. Only Rika's death was confirmed, so we don't even know if Keiichi and Satoko are still alive or not. It was said that Keiichi left through the window, once, and leaving the window equals death. But then again, Keiichi did not commit suicide, he was not pushed out of the window, and there was no accidents. Either way, this means Rika and Keiichi are dead? As for the culprit, which I believe is Satoko, it was said that a culprit can die. Whether this was a hint telling us that Satoko is also dead, I can't tell for sure. There might not be enough information, or perhaps I'm just missing something. Either way, no final theory just yet.
>>4837412[red]I will present my final theory[/red][blue]Satoko killed Rika during the night, in Rika's room. The door was locked at the time.[/blue][blue]Satoko unlocks the door, and gets into her room.[/blue][blue]During the night, Keiichi is lured towards Satoko's room. He locks the door as well.[/blue][blue]Satoko kills Keiichi by throwing him out of the window.[/blue][blue]Rika's room was never locked, the servant never checked during the narration! The map was a lie! The room was indeed locked WHEN Rika died, but not after it! Satoko's current location is her own room! Keiichi's location is the ground outside of Satoko's room! Rika's location is her own room![/blue]Take my blue truth, Furudo Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
>>4837476>Rika's room was never locked, the servant never checked during the narration! The map was a lie!I don't know about that "The gameboard is devoid of lies. Satoko's door was in fact locked.": >>4837046
>>4837481I won't take back my final theory, so I guess I lose this time.
Ho ho ho, seems like lady Erika went all out with this mystery.Everyone, please remember that [red]the motive is critical. It could serve as your biggest hint.[/red] I'll also add [red]it was already found.[/red]Also, here's a list of all the most significant red truths posted by my lady:[red]No accidents occurred in this game.[/red][red]It is physically impossible for anyone to go through a window in this apartment, otherwise they would die.[/red][red]No such thing as a crazy syringe that turns you into a huge schizo exists![/red] This means any theory that involves L5 is automatically out.[red]No traps existed INSIDE any room.[/red]>>4837470Understandable, lady Erika did a bad job so I will confirm it. [red]By 6 AM, Keiichi, Satoko and Rika were all dead.[/red]That's it for me now, the last thing I'd want is Erika catching me interfering with her mystery, ku ku ku...For the anons who already submitted their theories, you can delete your post and try again but it has to be before the deadline. Any theories that are posted afterwards will be rejected.
>>4837485>No traps existed INSIDE any room.Tch, cheeky.
>>4837485I'll take up on your offer. I'll remake my theory.
>>4837412Damn I had a lot of blue theories i was gonna toss at you, don't worry my Final theory will surely win!
[red]My final theory with the new context[/red][blue]Keiichi went to Satoko's room during the night.[/blue][blue]A jealous Rika noticed and also went to Satoko's room.[/blue][blue]A fight broke out, but it only ended with the girls pushing Keiichi out of the window, killing him.[/blue][blue]Satoko shoved Rika out of the room and locked it. Satoko killed herself.[/blue][blue]Rika returns to her room, and kills herself over Keiichi's death.[/blue]All of rika's and satoko's suicides were denied but only by adding a motive to them. Keiichi is the only one where his suicide was entirely ruled out. So my answer to that is presenting a double suicide theory where their reason is not denied!Take my blue truth, Furudo Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
>>4837516Do we have any evidence that rika's death was a suicide?
>>4837520If you can call it evidence: Rika's suicide theories are all denied in the same way, being "Rika did not commit suicide BECAUSE of X". Same for Satok. Keiichi is the only dying character that has suicide completely ruled out by the red.
I'm done with my theory, I'm just formatting it in Willard style, might need a few more minutes. How much time is left, again?
>>4837526True, but for all we know it could just be the game master fucking with us. He isn't lying by saying rika didn't kill herself because of x but for all we know rika might've never killed herself in the first place. The only problem is how she managed to set the chain by the time of her death. If I'm being honest I probably think she did kill herself
>>4837527Approximately half an hour.
Italianon here sorry but i was bosy, fucking social life, i am still in time or the mystery is already solved?
>>4837485Since the mention of a trap seems important, I'll remake my theory.[blue]Keiichi was killed by a trap set in the corridor by Satoko. This trap threw him out of Satoko's window. The trap was intended for Rika though, because Satoko saw her as a rival for Keiichi's feelings. Afterwards, both Satoko and Rika committed suicide inside their rooms over Keiichi's death.[/blue]
>>4837536Present your final theory. It will be over soon.
>>4837539Unfortunately, my previous post is too old to delete.
[blue] ITALIANON FINAL THEORY TRIPLE SUICIDE [/blue]at least i am trying
>>4837028Ashes to ashes, the huntress springs into action. Satoko, the culprit, leaves her apartment some time before 09:30 PM on the first day and visits Rika who was in her own apartment. Rika looks up in horror as Satoko assaults her and ends up killing her.Illusions to illusions, cunning words bring nothing but sorrow. Satoko temporarily leaves Rika's apartment and meets with Keiichi persuading, forcing, or otherwise tricking him to enter Satoko's apartment. Keiichi is convinced and does just as Satoko told him.Darkness to darkness, the young reaper's hand reaches from the night. Keiichi sets the chain inside Satoko's apartment, and then some time later triggers a trap that was set outside of Satoko's room. The one who set the trap was Satoko herself. Triggering the trap caused Keiichi to be tossed or pulled out of the window, falling on the ground and resulting in his death.Dust to dust, the young killer's spills her own blood. Satoko would return to Rika's apartment where she gloated in her victory over killing Rika and Keiichi. She'd set the chain to the apartment's door and then for reasons known only to Satoko, she snapped her fingers and committed suicide, most likely by jumping out of the window.Fragments to fragments, the cycle of death repeats itself. The true reason why Satoko would do this were known only to her, but she believed that doing this would cause Rika mental anguish in perhaps another lifetime or fragment. Satoko's goal is to convince Rika to stay with Satoko forever, believing that a supernatural force would allow her to reach that goal one day.
My Blue theory!![blue] Satoko talked to Keiichi and convinced him to come to her room later That night. Once Keiichi made it into Satoko's room, she killed him and then proceeded to toss his body out of the window. she then went over to rika room and told her Keiichi's been acting strange and that she wants rika to spend the night in her room. As rika was getting her stuff ready to spend the night, satoko used that time to go into her room and set the lock. She then killed herself in front of the door that way when rika goes to open the door she can see through the crack and see Satoko's body! Rika believing that Keiichi went L5 and murdered Satoko went to her room and killed herself. [/blue] As for why she did it, let's assume that this is gou Satoko and is trying to make rika suffer! Without feed, it could not be seen
Needless to say, this post is my final submission: >>4837546There might be a theory where Satoko and Rika commited suicide because of the way certain Red Truths regarding suicides were delivered, but I based my theory on the fact that Erika refused to confirm or deny this: >>4837372 as well as the emphasis on the Red Truth regarding traps: "No traps existed INSIDE any room."
>>4837539>>4837546The only problem with the trap theory is that it was stated in red [red] all murders were carried directly by hands. This does not include guns.[/red]
>>4837554Ah well. Guess we'll have to wait and see what Erika has to say. I'm not going to change my submission.
>>4837560All we can do is wait and pray bro!
>>4837546Very based presentation once again from willardposter.>>4837551Even farmer krauss is here.I hope at least one of us is correct.
>>4837565Me too bro, I just hope My theory doesn't get denied for being too vauge
Beep boop, [red]time's up![/red]Unfortunately, [red]none of you have managed to present a entirely correct theory![/red]>>4837516You're right about Keiichi going to Satoko's room, however Rika never entered Satoko's room.>>4837539Obasan, you're right, there was a trap. But it was outside the window, not in the corridor. Also Satoko did not commit suicide. You lost, Kumasawa.>>4837542[red]Pathetic.[/red]>>4837546Hehehe, nice attempt Willard, your third blue theory is entirely true. However there is only one apartment. Your last blue theory is also correct. I'd say your theory is the most accurate.>>4837551Nice attempt Krauss, but Satoko never entered her room, so it was impossible for her to murder him inside. Satoko did not suicide either.[red]The text below describes the official solution for the mystery.[/red]...terrified, the servant immediately calls the police.The team breaks into Satoko's room, but surprisngly there was nothing there, however the window was open.Next was Rika's room, where they found her lying dead on the floor.After thorough inverstigation, the team concluded that Keiichi and Satoko both died from falling off windows, while Rika was stabbed to death, most likely by herself as a successful suicide attempt.The whodunit:Satoko.The howdunit:Satoko never entered her room.At some point between 9:00 PM and 9:30 PM, Keiichi calls Rika over to his room to read some manga together, this explains why Rika's door was left open and why Keiichi's chain was set.Later, Satoko calls Keiichi over to her room and tells him to set the chain lock to prevent any interruptions.Satoko has already planted a trap outside the window. She lures him to open it and look for something outside, that's when the trap is triggered and made Keiichi fall down to his death.Satoko then goes to Rika's room and hides there.Rika felt suspicious, but after waiting for a while, she left Keiichi's room and went back to her room and set the chain, just to be safe.In that moment, Satoko attacks her but fails. Rika's expectations were realized, so she goes all out against her best friend.Eventually, their fight ended up with Satoko falling off the window, meeting the same tragic fate as Keiichi.After confirming Satoko's death, Rika suicides as she can't bear the thought of her two close friends dying, and as a futile hope for the happy days to comeback in another fragment where she won't have to worry about being murdered every second of her life...The whydunit:As you might have guessed, this is another fragment where Satoko tries to force Rika by staying in Hinamizawa using the cruelest ways possible. This is why the motive was critical in determining the culprit - Satoko.
>>4837554As for this red truth, while I did deny the guns, [red]I never denied the traps.[/red]I have to admit, the part "carried directly by hands" is indeed kind of contradicting, but I believe it is explainable. After all, Satoko, the one who planted the trap, did it directly with her hands.Now that the mystery is over, what did everyone think? Was it too hard? probably, I should be more lenient next time, but I hope everyone had fun!
>>4837585Wait, so Satoko lured Keiichi into the trap without being present in the room, right? Else the room wouldn't be able to be locked.I thought the windows were too small for a normal human to pass through without contorting their body in an unnatural way.
>>4837599Yes. [red]Satoko called Keiichi in using a phone.[/red]Also [red]the windows are of normal size.[/red] Think of a typical apartment window, surely someone can go through it without any twisting.
>>4837594Huh I thought "carried directly by hand" would deny all traps. How exactly does "Since it is physically impossible for someone to leave through a window, the only way left is the doors" work with all of this?
>>4837585Alright, I was pretty close, so I'll tap myself on the back at least.Writing "apartments" instead of "rooms" was a slip up. For some reason I thought this was a building with three different apartments, but a single apartment with three different rooms is pretty much the same thing, but whatever, you get it.>>4837594It was an enjoyable mystery, I liked it. However, I'm not too sure if a time limit works for the witch duels. Technically, this goes agaisnt the rules of the witch duel game. The witch is the one that has to keep denying Blue Truths and preserve the illusion of magic, otherwise the witch side has to accept defeat. The human side should persistently attack until they reach the truth, or get either tired and give up. At that point, we can talk about setting a time limit. You know, when both sides think the game has dragged on for too long. I don't know, I feel like we should've had the chance to get a few more answers out of you before both sides would agree that the game should reach its conclusion.
>>4837607I was under the same impression. That red statement was used in previous mysteries for that reason.
>>4837607I apologize for the bad phrasing, at that moment I was trying to deny the guns only.For your second question, the red statement matches because [red]no one in this story left his room or entered another room through a window.[/red] Hence [red]the only way left is the doors.[/red]>>4837613You're right, this was rather experimental, and I don't believe I gave away enough hints to expect a full solution. My bad, the time limit should be kept to the purple mysteries only, or at least mysteries that involve no help from the witch side.
>>4837585I got filtered hard, Good mystery anon! the only advice i could give would be to have a longer timelimit!
>>4837585Wonderful mystery, thanks anon!
>>4837625Now that others have said it, I'm afraid I have to agree. The wording "it's physically impossible to go through a window" does imply that the window is either too small for a human to pass through, or that some kind of steel bars are set up which prevent entrance or exit. So in reality, it IS physically possible to go through the window, it's just not very safe.However, I won't prosecute you for this, because I believe you've hinted enough that the possibility of leaving through the window is real, but it will likely result in death.
>>4837637Yeah I understand why the statement was used and what it was denying but I think in overall context of mystery it's quite bad. "it's physically impossible to go through a window" implies they can't leave through the window at all even when thrown out. Most people seem to have enjoyed the mystery regardless so I guess it's fine.
>>4837629Thank you Krauss, you did well! Also I'm probably not going to use a time limit again, and even if I did it'd be enough, we'll see.>>4837630You also did a wonderful job Hanyuu, [red]you're the first one who got the motive right![/red] Good job!>>4837637>>4837649Once again, I apologize for the bad phrasing. Maybe it should've been "you can't go to another room through a window" or something like that, I thought the red truth of Keiichi only going once was a good hint for the death but I guess it wasn't enough.
>>4837656Now that I think about it, since you technically gave us a time limit and said you wouldn't give out any more hints, you could argue that enough information has been provided and that further hints and Reds weren't necessary in order to reach the solution, which in this case means that multiple solutions to your mystery exist, as long as they don't contradict with the existing information that was provided. So, unless you can prove how my theory >>4837546 contradicts with the information that has been provided up until you proclaimed that no more hints would be given, my entire final theory should be one of the viable solutions. Same way how Bernkastel's first purple mystery in this thread had several possible outcomes, because the witch proclaimed that enough information has been laid out, and that same amount of information ended up allowing multiple solutions to exist.This, I think, is another reason why witch duels shouldn't have a strict time limit, and why proclaiming that you would no longer duel with us is not a good idea.
>>4837678Hohohoh, you did very well Willard san. You make a good point, however Satoko's death being a suicide was never confirmed, in fact Rika was the one most hinted for a suicide, but your theory states otherwise.I'd say it's not that the info provided until then can make for a different possible solution, it's that it wasn't enough. Because of the basics are still missing such as how did X die or whether X's death was a homicide or suicide. However if we consider the available information enough, then you're right, [red]your solution is one of the possibilities that could be forged using the existing information![/red] Well done! And going by this logic, the other anons' theories could also be one of the possible combinations!Also, for the "[red]Since it is physically impossible for someone to leave through a window, the only way left is the doors[/red]" statement I just realized I stated in red (>>4837046) [red]Keiichi did not enter any room through any window.[/red] Add to this the other statement "[red]Keiichi did go through a window, but only once[/red]" and since everyone's deaths were confirmed by Ronoue (>>4837485), this pretty much proves Keiichi fell after going through the window. I'm aware my phrasing wasn't the best, but I also believe there were enough clues for Keiichi dying from falling off the window.
>>4837678>>4837782So mine still somewhat works? Well done willposter!As for Keiichi falling out of the window I agree with you, erikanon. Considering the circumstances I couldn't think of another way but dying by getting out through the window.
>>4837782Exactly, you said it yourself. Whether Satoko commited suicide or not was never stated in Red, same for Rika. Maybe they did? Maybe they didn't? The Reds only hinted towards those possibilities, but they never directly denied or confirmed either option. We also didn't know whether their deaths were homicides, we only truly knew that they weren't accidents.>>4837799You're welcome, Battlerposter.
~~~Shitty mystery of twisted hammer~~~[red]Only following actors are involved in the mystery: Person A, Person B, Person C and Person DNo second personality exist. Every actor is a sane person.Body parts of Person A and Person B were found in the room X.Room X is a closed room.Room X is indestructible.Room X is only accessible through the door.Hammer was used in the murder of Person A and Person B[/red]Who and how?
>>4841499Red is kinda broken but [red]I don't care[/red] .
>>4841499[blue]C or D exists in the room alongside A and B and killed them both with the hammer. If I have to pick a culprit, I'll say C.[/blue]It can't be that simple, but you got to start somewhere.
>>4841499If >>4841511 is wrong, then [blue]C o D threw two hammers through the window and killed B and A![/blue] I think "hammer" doesn't necessarily mean there's only one.
>>4841499[blue] A and B killed each others in the room or 1 of them commuted a murder-suicide [/blue]
>>4841511[red]When A died, both D and C never existed in the same room.[/red][red]When B died, both D and C never existed in the same room.[/red]>>4841534[red]Room X is only accessible through the door.[/red]
>>4841545That doesn't deny my blue at all. I'll double down on my theory. [blue]Between C and D, only one existed in room X at the time of the crime. This culprit killed both A and B with the hammer. The other of the two never had any need to occupy the same room as the other.[/blue]
>>4841545Heh, surely there's a reason behind that weird phrasing.[blue]Either D or C was inside X room when B died. The same applies for A. You only denied both of them, but not either![/blue]
>>4841552>>4841552Huh.[red]When one of the victims died, culprit never existed in the same room[/red]
>>4841589[blue]The culprit killed the victim through the door![/blue]
>>4841499I do wonder what the importance of the hammer is in this mystery. I know you said it was used in the murder or Person A and Person B, but why a hammer specifically? This could also have some weird meaning such as A and B were not directly killed with the hammer itself, but rather the culprit used a hammer to further advance their method of murder. Something like smashing an object inside the room which ended up hitting either A and B, so the cause of death was being hit by the debris rather than being directly assaulted with a hammer. Or perhaps the culprit used a hammer to damage or break something that would cause harm to A or B who were inside the room.Something along those lines. In short, I'm just saying that being directly hit by a hammer was not the cause of death.
>>4841599Blue truth invalid. >>4841605[red]Hammer is direct cause of death.[/red]
>>4841622[blue]A and B were both killed outside room X and then were carried into the room by the culprit with the hammer.[/blue]
>>4841622Denied? Hmm. [blue]The culprit toggled a switch that made the hammer fall on A or B's head. This proves that it is possible for the culprit to remotely murder them while also having the hammer being the direct murder cause.[/blue]
>>4841622[blue] The hammer was a bomb[/blue]
New definition:[red]Place Z - every place which exists outside of room X.[/red]>>4841636Again.[red]When one of the victims died, both victim and culprit never existed in Place Z at the same time.[/red]>>4841654>Denied?Denied because of vague phrasing.>The culprit toggled a switch that made the hammer fall on A or B's head.[red]Remote mechanisms do not exist in this story.[/red]
>>4841499[blue]None of the actors is human, "Person" is just part of the nickname, and the room is not a large room like most people would assume![/blue]
>>4841714[blue]The door to room X was open during the time of the crime. The culprit, while existing in place Z, bashed A and B with the hammer. A and B were in room X while being bashed.[/blue][blue]Alternatively, the hammer was thrown into the room, killing A and B.[/blue]
"Body parts of Person A and Person B were found in the room X."It says "body parts" rather than "bodies" or "corpses", which is a bit odd. Would strands of hair or fingernail clippings count as "body parts"? Either way, there's probably a reason why this Red was so specific. I'll have to think more about it, but I thought it might be useful to highlight this for the other players. Maybe they'll make more sense of this.
>>4841714REPEAT THIS: [blue]X and Z cannot overlap![/blue]
>>4841713[red]Your reasoning is mind blowing[/red]>>4841715[red]Actors are human[/red]>>4841723[red]Hammer never left the ground.[/red]>>4841733You are overthinking.>>4841756I refuse.
>>4841772It's over.Assuming "room X" is some space contained in four walls, a floor and a ceiling, [blue]room X could be a closet, and space Z is a room surrounding it, meaning they overlap![/blue][blue]The victim, who was entrapped in a closet (room X), was hit by the culprit outside the closet, but inside space Z (the room)![/blue]Hah, how about this?
>>4841772[blue]C killed either A or B, and the one he didn't kill was killed by D. Both events took place in separate rooms covered by Place Z, but at different times, so both could use the same hammer. After being done, each dropped some of A's and B's body parts into Room X.[/blue]
Definition:[red]Room 1 - Room where Person A died[/red][red]Room 2 - Room where Person B died[/red]>>4841793[red]No one died in the closet[/red]>>4841809[red]After dying, not even an atom of one of the victims escaped either room 1 or room 2.[/red]
>>4841894Not a closet? [blue]Doesn't matter! As long as it's a space (X) contained in a bigger space (Z) it works.[/blue]Since the culprit can't be inside X room at the time of the murder, and room X has some door even if it's not a closet, here's my theory. [blue]A and B are both trapped in two separate closed spaces inside a bigger room. D or C, killed B or A, by hitting them with a hammer through the "door". The "door" does not matter if the room's nature is unknown, or actually, it might not even be what you think. A "door" could be even a little gap.[/blue]So I ask, what is a "door" exactly?
[gold]It's OK to give up![/gold]
>>4841894[blue] A killed B in room 2 and then killed himself in room [/blue]
>>4841936[red]Hammer connected directly with one of the victims.[/red]>>4841940[red]No one killed himself in room 1 and room 2.[/red]
>>4841989WHAT THE FUCK IS A DOOR TELL ME NOW
>>4841989[blue] A killed B in room 2 but before dying B mortally hit A, who confused run in room 1 and die shortly after [/blue]
>>4841998Definition:[red]Door - thing that is capable of perfectly sealing any room.[/red]>>4842009[red]One of the victims died instantly.[/red]
>>4842029[blue] A was the victim, B lured him in room 2 and it with with the hammer, sadly for Him A was trained by Russian mercenary army and the shot was not fatal, with his superior combact skill A take the hammer from B and killed him instantly then escaped into room 1 when his wound killed him [/blue]KNEEL WITCH
>>4842045[red]A never met B in his/er entire life.[/red][red]B never met A in his/er entire life.[/red]
>>4842061i can say something about a room without ligth then i will try with some thing else.[blue] the ww2 is ended and A and B are both soldier who search an house to start a new life in this new world of hope, both find in an autobus and ads about C&D house project and decide to call them. Both agree to visit an house and both enter from a different door in a different room, A in the room 1 and B in the room 2 but they didn't know that C&D are japanese spy who wanted to avenage their brothers died in the war and meanwhile the door was open the hit A and B with an hammer, their body fall in the door and the killers closed the doors. [/blue]
>>4842061[blue] the hammer is the direct cause of death, however the death was not instant. Person A and B moved to another room after getting hit with a hammer and died because of the hammer wounds [/blue]
>>4842077actually I missed the above, nvm give me a second to revise my theory
>>4842073>their body fall in the door and the killers closed the doorsWhat?
>>4842061[blue] Person C and D forced A and B to fight, person A used the hammer to wound person B however person B took the hammer and instantly killed person A, after which B moved to another room and died because of his wounds [/blue]
>>4842084[red]A never met B in his/er entire life.[/red][red]B never met A in his/er entire life.[/red]
>>4842083[blue] D and C hit A and B outside and the body fell in the rooms for the hit [/blue]
>>4842089[red]After dying, not even an atom of one of the victims escaped either room 1 or room 2.[/red]
>>4842086Oh I thought this refered to before the story took place, my bad. [blue] the killer is still in the locked room [/blue]
>>4842100[red]When one of the victims died, culprit never existed in the same room[/red]
>>4842104[blue] there are 2 victims, the killer is hiding in the second victim room after the first victim died a delayed death because of hammer wounds [/blue]
Alright I'm back.>>4842029Capable of sealing any room? Shouldn't that be a lock instead? Well whatever, I'm going to propose that [blue]the door wasn't even closed at the time of murder, it's just a red herring![/blue]Also according to your red truth "[red]A/B never met B/A in his/er entire life.[/red]" I'd say [blue]Space Z is a prison! Room 1 and room 2 are prison cells! A and B are new prisoners who never met before and B/C are guards, B/C killed A/B from outside the cell![/blue]
>>4842109I am sorry, but[red]2 victims died instantly.[/red]
>>4842116[blue] D and C are global champion in hammer launch, they strike an hammer to the head of A and B from outside [/blue]