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Your body is still, in a tank that is too warm for you, but your mind is free to swim through the black ocean. Your people have no other name for “outer space”.

You are a Migrator. You are an underdevloped aquatic species which, as of less then half a millennia ago, was incorporated into the grand Hegemony tribe. Your name is Deep Currents, though in your language of sonic clicks, it has a much more poetic meaning.

To you, flying through this place is easy. It is no different then swimming in your under-ice aquatic home of Caplit, a tiny ice mind orbiting a planet. You imagine it as a droplet of water suspended around a huge bubble, though the Hegemony scientists that taught you how to talk and think good tell you that is factually incorrect. You don't exactly understand why the Jaxtians seem so much worse at doing this then your own people, even a child could navigate by such simple sounds and feelings and intuitions, but it is not your place to judge.

You can “see” in this place, sense the connections between worlds and gravity, and the connections between things. You are driven by unseen pulling, no different then an underwater pressure constantly moving. Unseen, yet it moves still. You are plotting a course between two of these “rock bubbles” the Jaxtians live on. While you can't complain about the work, since it's easy and the Jaxtians give you fish and tell you that you did a good job, some things out here aren't as nice to run into.
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”Ooohhh! Look at this warm fleshbelly! What a PERFECT host for larvals!”
”So much better then cold metal bellies! But alas, it's too small!”
”Much too small- not even close to the size of a calf. This is no delicious mother-whale belly.”
“W-what do you want from me? Please leave me alone.”
”And such a pure and untainted light- exactly why we like whales, isn't that right?”
”Mhmm. Such objective experience, untainted by thought- just being, what a wonderful place to feast! Agonized and living SO long to experience it-”
”Begone, vile worms! Leave my navigator alone. Else, we will burn your flesh as we did your forefathers.”
“K-Kimnan!?”
”Baaah! Not worth the effort. Big talk from an ape!”
”Cyte take you, Jaaxi! All of you! Heheheahaah~”

You are now Eoba Garastra II, the Supreme Ruler of the Hegemony and of the Jaxtian people. For the past fifty odd years, you have led your people. From the hardship of an uprising, caused in no small part by your own actions of slaying the previous Supreme Ruler in self defense, to dealing with an alien threat in the form of the Aannel- the vile space worms who seem to control the galaxy through shady backroom deals and social orchestration.

In response to your action of destroying a nesting colony of the parasite worms by exposing the innards of a space whale to sunlight, their one weakness- as well as killing your last chance to submit to the worms with your own hand- the worms have sworn revenge on you by something they call the Cyte. You ask your diplomatic contacts for any information.

”The Cyte? That's bad. It is as a watchdog for the Aannel; their muscle in this galaxy. Since the worms have no civilization of their own, and can only steal and infest the works of others; the Cyte acts as their insurance. It has been a very long time since anyone has had the Cyte called against them. We'll check our records and ask around for any more information.” Thankfully, your contact in the representative of the Seekers, an anti-worm spiritualist faction in the galaxy, is helping you to uncover more. Until the full details of this threat are revealed, you will have to put off dealing with it for now.
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“I greatly appreciate you meeting me here at this function, your grace.”

”Of course, Galyo. Anything for a friend... And I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with you shopping around for a successor to your position?”

“Oh but I wouldn't dream of it, your majesty. But seriously, there is so much good young talent here.”

”And how goes our special young talent?”

“Oh, erm. It- he is doing very well, your eminence. All behavioral analysis and projections show to your specifications exactly. No loss of innate skill with abstract thought and his talent with computers...”

Galyo Qint, your Science Overseer, wanted to speak with you after the most recent worm incident. During your vow to conquer all star systems in your local cluster, you came across a live space whale in the Drakas system. Both the whale, and the last surviving worm from its belly, ended up as genetic samples in your laboratories.

Of course, the samples will be better when fresh. You want to focus your science budget on studying the samples- but you have to give priority to one. From an alien specimen, you might be able to unlock new genetic codes or technologies from the foreign alien DNA. Which alien species do you want to prioritize?

>Worms
>Whales
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oh shit this is back cool
>>5207045
>Worms
know thy enemy and all that, yada yada
whales are cool but I think this is more important right now
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>>5207045
>Whales

I feel like the whales have more useful tech that could be assiocated with them.
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>>5207045
>>Whales
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>>5207045
>Whales
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>>5207045
>Whales

We'll get more worm corpses to study soon enough.
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>>5207045
>Worms
Knowledge on them and their behaviors and life cycle is crucial
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>Wormy Worms
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>>5207045
>Whales
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>>5207045
>Whales
I don't like the way that girl looks at us.
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>>5207045
>Whales
YOOOO IT BACK
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>>5207045
>Whales

Potential anti-worm tech would be cool, but there is just so damn much to be gained by studying a planet-sized, fusion-fuelled lifeform.
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You allocate the research efforts towards the Whales. The space whales are gigantic, mind-boggling examples of Xenobiology that will need a lot of research to fully uncover. Already, prospects are good of what the genetic and chemical compositions of the whales could teach you. In short, large scale construction projects, such as bigger ships, are aided, as are longevity projects and fusion power may also be improved in the long term- your grade I fusion reactors are stuck with Tritium for now- though one day a more efficient and common fuel source in the form of Deuterium would be a nice improvement.

Based on early projections; studying the worms may have led you towards biological technologies and material sciences- especially in regards to genetic tampering and mutations. But you shudder to think of the possibilities. They'll still be kicking around in the science community, the samples that is, but for now the whales are the forefront of your advancement.

In fact- one very quick development comes in the form of life extension technology- specifically for Alpha phenotypes. The Alpha Phenontype Jaxtian men have always had a significantly shorter life expectancy for a mulititude of factors; and this included late term death from the GPCS- however this research into the whales and the requirements for life on the extreme large scale has allowed for more effecicent biology for Alpha males. Alpha male Jaxtians now have a life expectancy of one hundred years of age; equal to a normal Jaxtian.

It makes you think of Agori again. You wonder if, had the lower life expectancy of the Alpha not been a problem during his reign, would he have “rushed” to make you into a proper successor? Would the power vacuum never have happened? It's hard to say- but your thoughts are on a different powerful man of the previous generation- the traitorous Ingar. And now his clone, Ingar II.

https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5120724/
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You have concocted a secret plan with your Overseer of Science, Galyo Qint, to create a clone of Ingar. The first Ingar has traits of sadism, arrogance, and anti-social behavior- but at the same time was a genius. His abilities with computers were second to none. If only he had been born one generation later- enough to help you with the Threemind project- your secret long-term empire plan to create a flawless and secure computer to serve the Hegemony. Combined from the sciences of three alien races; Jaxtian, Haazar, and Baalathi- this computer could overwhelm any virus and be incredibly intelligent and powerful. Then again, the only reason you set out on this goal to create a Threemind was because of Ingar seizing control of the Alavis network in the past...

Ingar II will help finish the Threemind project; and he will do it in secrecy. You already had Galyo adjust and modify his behavior- less sadistic and power hungry, but just as anti-social and avoidant. Much too far on the autism spectrum for a Supreme Ruler; but perfect for a recluse. You have just the place for him. Not as a Supreme Ruler successor, nor as a Overseer of Science- but assigned to a very special project.

Due to the unique nature of your quantum entanglement technology- which means computers that can communicate faster then light speed anywhere in the universe- you've decided to set up the perfect nerve center for the threemind- hiding in the clouds of Max, your home system's Argon-rich gas giant. This station is always in low orbit, hidden underneath layers of the gas giant's clouds; a perfect place of isolation. They call it the Crypt.

It's a small station, but has all the argon computers one would need to organize and work on the Threemind. Utterly isolated and closed off- totally secret and unable to communicate with anyone else. It's the perfect location for a dangerous genius to finish the work he should have done when he was alive- he will have everything he needs there for a lifetime. Biological recyclers, oxygen and water scrubbers, exercise equipment, entertainment.... but he'll be utterly and completely alone. For the rest of his natural life.
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It's time... finally time for your revenge. Your righteous revenge. Take that, you little shit!

After the pain he caused the Hegemony- and yourself. After all the setbacks, all the wasted time and resources. All the trouble of shattering the illusion of a secure computing network which once guided your whole society. Now it is time to pay it back. Your clone will do what you should have done, Ingar. He will be the missing piece- the Threemind will one day be complete, and it will all be thanks to the tireless effort of one little clone.

…Can you really do this?

Doubt creeps at you. You realize, of course, that this isn't Ingar you're talking to. It's a near perfect identical clone, sure, but it isn't really him. It's not the real Ingar you're getting back at. It's just a kid. You've built him for this purpose; to serve your interests, but as a punishment for something he never did. You realize that condemning a Jaxtian, an innately social animal, to such a life would be hellish. Even though Ingar II has had genetic modification to make him as socially and romantically avoidant as possible- it's still a very sterile and deprived environment.

Of course, the irony of what you're going to do to Ingar being very similar to what Agori did to you is not lost on you.

But things aren't quite as simple as you'd hope. You can't just... let him go. Putting him out into normal society, with the rest of the Jaxtians, won't end well. People are still scarred by Ingar's memory. The Hegemony has no tolerance for traitors and the vast majority of Jaxtians would have preferred for Ingar to be taken alive so he could be tortured to death for his crimes. Even with the full and complete understanding that his clone is not himself, people still hate Ingar. The other issue is the secrecy and necessity for the project- you need Ingar. You need his genius, you just never had the opportunity to steer it in the right direction. This is your second chance. And the importance of secrecy- this will be the backbone of the entire Threemind. The whole project would be at fault if regular citizens could do what Ingar has to do now. It's just unfair at who has the bear the responsibility for it all. Ingar II.

All that remains of Ingar, the real power hungry traitor, is his skull and his last few remaining items. Locked away all this time, all you can do is powerlessly stare at his lifeless remains. Perhaps he's getting the last laugh; rather then a punishment from beyond the grave. Would you be upset that we're doing this to your clone? Or would you not care in the slightest, Ingar?

I hate you Ingar. But I also need you. And to hate your clone would be wrong. What am I going to do?

>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
>Put down Ingar II and find another way
>Try to reintroduce Ingar II under a new name and position (Chance of Severe Consequences)
>Other (Write In)
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>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
the progress of science is ever fueled by the 'tism
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>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt, give him some friends and visit him every now and again

I ain't killing the boy, and 'Chance of Severe Consequence' might as well be labeled 'shit idea' instead, because I know for a fact that it will come to pass. I can't condemn a boy to hell though, and if anyone has a better idea on how to ethically keep him working on Threemind, I'm all ears. God, I just hate this idea now. I knew we should've just switched samples with Agori or Talcent.
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Why not just uhh...i dont know, NOT make the crypt an isolated hell?
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>>5207581
>Other (Write In)
Make him a blonde AI waifu. Not a super-smart one, not one compatible with the Threemind. Just... An impossibly-patient monke Hatsune Miku to have a parasocial relationship with.
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>>5207600
>>5207594
Secrecy, lads.
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>>5207600
Because the more isolated people are from everyone else, the more control you have over them. Ask any narcissist. Nah, we can just make his life extremely briefly not be a hell whenever he actually produces results, and withdraw positive reinforcement when he starts slacking, in a covert enough way that it'll slip past that giant social retard brain of his.

And then if it works we do it again but with even more Ingar clones. Just dozens of them per generation, each bearing a new and improved set of genetic alterations to make them more productive and cooperative than their predecessor batches, from the labors of whom a smorgasbord of scientific breakthroughs will blossom.
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>>5207600
Operational security. Being realpolitik here, sacrificing Ingar to complete Threeminds by his lonesome of a greater net benefit to the Hegemony and it's people, and will be invaluable in the future fights to come, both foreign and domestic. The classic individual/community good dilemma. Clearly the Crypt is the smart choice.

Still doesn't make it the right choice though.
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>>5207605
Ooh, support. Seems like a good place to start.
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>>5207581
>>5207605
+1
We're almost certainly doing much worse to some innocent Jaxtians for a less good reason, obviously thinking of it as punishing Ingar is retarded but in a purely practical way I think that's fine.
Ingar II is a unique genius and letting contact the outside world is a bad idea.
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>>5207581

>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt.

He was born for this. 1 Ingar at a time is enough Ingars though. If we make too many, someone might steal one and secrecy would be compromised. We don't need 50 Kriegers running around.
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>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
Care not for the dead, for they no longer matter. Let's get the computer done.
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>>5207605

blond waifu is a distraction. Threemind will be his waifu, he needs no other.
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>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
We're almost certainly doing much worse to some innocent Jaxtians for a less good reason, obviously thinking of it as punishing Ingar is retarded but in a purely practical way I think that's fine.
Ingar II is a unique genius and letting contact the outside world is a bad idea.
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>>5207612
We could have, like, a couple more. We can keep track of 3 Ingars. Probably.

>>5207616
Why'd you pull the AI vote?
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>>5207614
The first blonde waifu would have stopped the first Ingar from going bananas. We're putting this clone in charge of deisgning a replacement for the system which the first Ingar, having lost his goddamn mind over loneliness, sabotaged to hell. If we don't give him SOMETHING, we'll repeat ALL of Agori's mistakes: the mistake she made in designing Eoba II to 'perfect' and punish his abuser, his mistake in not attending to Ingar's obsessive nature and need for romantic companionship, and his mistake in giving him unabated access to a cornerstone of Hegemony security.
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>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
I'm new around here, who is this Ingar and why did you monsters set to punish his innocent clone for what he did?
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>>5207626
There are only four prior threads, anon. Read up. They're good, so it's worth it.
>tl;dr
Fine, fine. Ingar was an austic virgin with rage who, denied his waifu fantasy by the Supreme Leader prior to Eoba, reprogrammed our civilization's super AI into one, then attempted to stage a coup, then killed literal billions with a killswitch when we assassinated him.
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>>5207626
Failed coup and attempted genocide of our race, if you want the short version of it. It really wasn't about punishing him, but making use of his genius-level abilities to complete an national security interest of the highest magnitude. Had I known we'd be sending to such a hell, I would've advocated to clone Maktana instead.
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>>5207618
>We can keep track of 3 Ingars. Probably.

retard. one ingar was enough to cause so much damage, the hegemony was on its knees for a long while. god imagine what three could do
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>>5207630
>read up
adhd, sorry
>tl;dr
Did he want a harem or did you just force the guy to be completely maidenless? And did you know about the killswitch, lmao
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>>5207605
This could help
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>>5207641
>Did he want a harem or did you just force the guy to be completely maidenless?
No, he had an gigantic oneitis with a specific woman he never even talked to who was already married and wanted us to force her to date him.

So instead agori yelled to the entire empire that he had a blonde fetish and he was drowned in several million 'date matches' from randomy blonde women.
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>>5207641
>Did he want a harem?
No. People just went "Ingar what the fuck man?" and didn't give him some random girl, who was married or already in a relationship. The exact details are a bit blurry but the girl was already with another man.
>Did you know about the killswitch, lmao
Nope, we wanted to capture him but he said "FUCK YOU" and push the killswitch. We killed him but the killswitch went off and shit went fucky wucky.

>>5207605
also yeah we should probably give him some sort of companionship, as long as we keep an eye on it to make sure he doesn't try hacking it or something.
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>Autistic lonely synthetic person with an artificial intelligence woman
RECITE YOUR BASELINE
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>>5207640
>kept under lock and key
>kept apart from each other
>under intense scrutiny
>psychologically manipulated by the greatest minds and algorithms from childhood
How inept do you think the Hegemony is? Have some faith in your country instead of sperging harder.
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>>5207697
>How inept do you think the Hegemony is?
Inept enough to continue putting crazed, obsessive, and/or subversive monkes in positions of power.

Gaftar.

Eoba I.

Agori.

Ingar.

Duj Junior.

Eoba II, a little bit.

Yuan'tul.

Plus, in the process we've suffered TWO AI-based catastrophic dangers already.
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>>5207705
Yeah but this isn't that though.
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>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
With or without waifubot is fine by me
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>>5207724
We couldn't predict or control them. I am not confident we could do with three Ingars.
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>>5207770
If we can't do it with 3 we can't do it with 1 because logistically there is no difference
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>>5207605
>Support
An AI 'waifu' who can monitor him without him getting modification access to her sound beneficial.

And give him a pet as well. A Nut-thief or similar, something small.

Also, let's see if we can make it his own choice to go inside. He's an autist and probably dislikes socialising anyway; we might be able to get him to see this as a positive. A life of subsidised comfort without having to interact with annoying people, to concentrate on what he likes to do. If he must have a cage, let it be as gilded as we can make it.
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>>5207697
Look, I rather just not burn resources in tard wrangling multiple clones of this dude when we can just stick with one and call it a day. I rather not take any more risks than absolutely necessary when it comes to playing with fire like this.
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>>5207605
+1 to this, good idea.
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>>5207648
>Pussy
Couldn't you guys just like... clone her? Well, I suppose you didn't know the consequences that not letting the aspie smash would bring.
>We killed him but the killswitch went off and shit went fucky wucky.
Actually, are we talking about a dead man's switch or a killswitch? I got kinda confused myself here.

>>5207697
I get that indoctrination and brainwashing are both unbelievably powerful tools, but if he really is this super fucking genius, then it is very much within the realms of possibility that he will realize things he knows make no sense and attempt to break out of the containment at some point. And considering last time he killed billions just cause he couldn't make his stalker-dream come true, god knows what he'll do when he learns his entire life was a genetically-engineered lie.
What I'm saying is: multiplying that possibility by three is just big fucking stupid.
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>>5207805
>Are we talking about a dead man's switch or a killswitch?
Dead man's switch, sorry. Once he activated it, the AI went into overdrive and tried to fuck up literally everything it could get its hands on. Which caused a whole host of issues?
>Couldn't you guys just like...clone her?
We have to deal with the fickle whims of the MC we play acting somewhat out of our control at times, so Agori probably would've gone to humiliate him either way. If that wasn't the case though, yeah, we didn't really have any reason to treat him as a ticking time bomb.
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>>5207791
The risk goes down with successive generations though, as we figure out more and more about how to get this one particular individual to feel and do anything we want, by having the best people on the planet psychologically dissect him over the course of a lifetime.

I think if this one goes well, not doing another batch of him is just plain a waste of potential, in the form of a whole bunch of really brilliant people driving the Hegemony forward, created from nothing but bit of biomass.

>>5207805
He's not Tony Stark left alone in a cave, it's a guy literally genetically modified to be less mentally capable of making trouble and understanding social interactions, under permanent world-class emotional manipulation and surveillance, with zero support and resources with which to get out of the situation he's in. With a killswitch implant if you vote for it. There's just no risk anymore if the situation is approached rationally and diligently, because all bases are coverable.

Anyway, I'm done arguing with brainlets who act based on knee-jerk neanderthalian fear instead of properly making decisions in logical accordance with any reasonable concerns. Congratulations on wearing me down you retards.
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>>5207815
>I'm done arguing with brainlets who act based on knee-jerk neanderthalian fear instead of properly making decisions in logical accordance with any reasonable concerns. Congratulations on wearing me down you retards.
Kek. Big words coming from a 4chan poster.
Jokes aside, even if he's 100% safe I find the idea of copypasting the best unit we have available a rather boring fucking thing to do and would vote against it purely because of thatm
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>>5207815
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>>5207581
Actually, just to check...

We're just putting this Ingar-clone in charge of the Baalathi-tech section of the Threemind, right? The whole point of the project was to avoid a single point of failure; and we already have the Jaxtian component and the Haazar have been working on their own.
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What if we assign people to actually interact and form groups of belonging with Ingar while he works?
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>>5207879
Secrecy will be compromised. He also might just... Not like that. We apparently engineered him to be RELATIVELY unsociable.
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So something I think we want to consider is giving the information we have on the Worms to the Esaal. They are a strict military authoritarian government that I feel would react poorly to the machinations of the Worms if they found out how vastly they were being manipulated. We could send them some sort of non-FTL communication and see if we can establish backdoor communications.

Hell it seems like the Esaal peons really crave a war to prove themselves, leaking this info about the Worms could force them to fight against the Cyte.
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>>5207581
>>Assign Ingar II to the Crypt
Give him a waifu bot and its all sorted.
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>>5208084
Whose to say they dont already know? The hegemony has little contact and are currently on a black list over worm territory, they may even just think it Jaxtian propaganda and will take it worse
They are part of the worm FTL network, an attack on them would destroy their entire infrastructure. Whose to even say they would be able to use blind navigation, it is a spiritually tuned form of FTL navigation as far as weve seen and with how authoritarian the Essal are it feels pretty unlikely theyd be able to "fall in tune", all speculative though I guess, hegemony members can use it despite our atheistic traits so I could be talking out my ass, just since you said something to think about

>CAPTCHA: HAAAM
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>>5207581
>Assign Ingar II to the crypt
I support the AI blondie gf
Hope she stays on his platform station long after hes dead and the place is abandoned just for someone to find a crazy tism AI wife
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>>5208084
Second idea, with the threat of the Cyte and our continued absorption of non-Jaxtian races we need to improve our general infantry. With all our advances in genetic engineering, we can make larger more stable indigo Alphas and raise them in a strict environment to create a fanatic caste of impressive warriors. Combine that with some Azurium ally armor and we got some damn killing machines running around to stop any planetary rebellions, invasions or ship boarding actions.
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>>5208149
As Agori was fond of noting, in a modern space-age military, Alphas are the LEAST scary kind of Jaxtian.
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>>5208156
Agori was a sulky piece of shit who hated himself, a sledgehammer has its uses no matter what, and if we want to put down rebellions without just glassing planets from orbit or defend against invasions we need boots on the ground.
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>>5208162
Small, stealthy boots, supporting small, stealthy troops, with big, accurate firearms.
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>>5208156
He also helped storm the NFI headquarters and took care of a dissident who would have overpowered one of our 'diminutive Jaxtians with a gun' if he hadn't been there.
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>>5208165
Azurium renders most firearms useless, having a big lug who can smash people to bits can be useful.
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>>5208149
As awesome as it may sound, Monke Frank Horrigan caste is a bad idea. Why spend resources to make Thunder Warriors that will get upity and are hard to kill when we could make mechs with Azurium coathing?
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>>5208192
Because Monke Frank Horrigan is such an awesome idea that the QM might actually help us justify us doing it instead of a bland robot with better materials.

I'd rather blow the military research budget on spaceships, but if a choice is given between which one of those should be our elite infantry? Steroiborg, hands down.
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>>5208199
One Monke Frank Horrigan is fine, a squad is manageable enough with kill switches in them, but a whole caste of them is stupidly dangerous. We didn't want to make a caste of navigators, why would we make a caste of hard to kill, armed to the teeth gorillas with a plethora of mental issues?
Besides, Monke Metal Gears are better.
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>>5208219
Mechs are cringe, big Monke fits much more with our eugenist theme and is cheaper to support. The Migrators are also directly a caste, a racial caste of navigators.
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>>5208224
We just took advantage of the inborn abilities of another species. What we've repeatedly been hesitant to do is to take a subset of our own Jaxtian population unless you count Blue Hazaar and purpose-breed them for a specific, predetermined role.
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>>5208228
Fair enough, I just like bib monkey marines.

On an unrelated note, I would like to point out the third yellow fish-like corpse on the Esaal abduction craft that was operating in our sector of space. I think it implies that the last system we need to colonize will have this species as it's local residents
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>>5208228
>disposable schizo xeno uncle tom who doesn't know he's xeno
PERFECT
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>>5208224
How about we meet in the middle and make Cyborg Big Monkes with power armor? A squad of monke space marines for black ops and high priority missions. And don't make them a caste, make them infertile tube babies so they can't take over and when they die we could try to salvage their brains and use them for combat simulations while a new squad is being grown.
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>>5208237
>Post yfw you realise Bluey is Hazaar Uncle Ruckus
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>>5208246
>pic related

>>5208242
>And don't make them a caste, make them infertile tube babies
Minus the sci-fi elements, Chinese emperors tried this with eunuchs. It didn't work, they just practiced nepotism with their nephews or friends' relatives, instead of their own sons.
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>>5208265
https://youtu.be/GpW3qvf42Xs
>this whole exchange but with Bluey and Yuan.
>Instead of nigga he calls him a hussy.

Also, mechs are far less likely to pull a late-period-Han-court on our military.
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Haven't we had like TWO AI Crisis already? Why are mechs any more trustworthy than mass-produced super soldiers?

We're all about genetics, right? Just make them loyal and remove their propensity to want more. As long as they're content with turning our enemies into gibs they won't rebel.
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>>5208386
>monke spess muhreen
Or
>monke metal gear

I propose something in between: monke Solid Snek with exoskeleton suits. Genetically engineered to be resourceful, precise, and stealthy, and equipped with the best non-invasive augmentation to enhance their base strength. I'd even argue for a monke drop trooper, but surviving a fall from orbit without a STEEL REHN tier cybernetics is impossible, and our monkes don't like cybernetics.
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> monkey spaz marine
> monkey solid snek

> why not both?
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>>5208527
Actually drop pods should be pretty easy with our plasmatronic technologies.
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>>5207867
If you look at the symbol here
>>5207579
It looks like the Haazar computing plus the Argon thing. I'm pretty sure there was a hint about this past thread too, or a similar drawing.
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ah yes, autism
glad to see this quest back
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>>5207605
+1
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You think about what to do. What to do...

You know you're going to send Ingar to the Crypt, no matter what. Wasting these years of effort and squandering his genius is not going to happen- and sending him out into society is not an option. However, you can't think of a good alternative. The idea of using a companion, in the from of an AI that can support him, is one concept- but ultimately too dangerous. Ingar's new position only works if he's only gained access to one of the three branches of the developing Threemind. To give him an AI of any intelligence and telling him not to modify it is pure naivety. It's like giving a weapon to a warrior and telling them not to use it, or a tool to a mechanic and telling him not to test it...

You have to send Ingar II to the Crypt without a serious companion. AI support and a pet will have to do. You destroy the last of Ingar's belongings and his skull, the last physical link the traitor had to this world. The new Ingar will cease to exist the moment he steps into the Crypt...

”Ingar II.”
“Yes?”

You can tell he's already trying to hurry this conversation along. Like you bother him just for existing around him. That's good.

”I'm here to take you to your new home-”
“The Crypt?”
”Wha- how did you know about that name!? You weren't supposed to hear that name.”
“It was the Enforcers. I overheard them joking about it.”
”Hrmm. Idiots. I need new Enforcers. These ones will be replaced, and have their tongues cut out for their incompetence!”
“Yeah... You need new Enforcers.”

Heh. Classic Ingar.

”Alright- it's time. And you agree to this all? After what was described to you?”
“Of course I do. As you were born for a purpose, so was I. This is my purpose. There is nothing else for me here in this society anyway.”
”Then... let us go. To the Crypt.”

This is the end of Ingar's story.

Though somewhere along the way- you feel as though you may have missed a certain opportunity. Given all you know about Ingar, you figure that there was nothing more you could have done for his clone...
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Over the next five years, you overseer Ingar II's appointment in the Crypt, and continue implementing your scientific findings. But there is something else very pressing you need to attend to during your reign- and something you have been preparing for for a long time. Your vow.

As of yet, you have conquered all but one star system in your local cluster. You promised to take them all- a Jaxtian presence in each system. To make your people a true interstellar empire. This final system is the final stepping stone for it- and even with faster then light travel, this star is far enough away to take some time to reach.

The exploration ship arrives and quickly scans over the system. It has an asteroid belt, three inner planets- and an outer gas giant with twin rings. Its planets are made up of a boiling hot, near-to-the-star lava world, a thick atmosphere planet, and finally a habitable zone planet covered in water. And indeed- it almost certainly contains life. It has many small to medium sized landmasses- a oceanic dominant planet while still being capable of sustaining a land-dwelling civilization.

Even moreso- quick scans show excessive radio waves and energy signals matching a description of not only living things; but of an intelligent, technologically advanced species. The mass of space debris in orbit around the planet only confirm this further- an early space-age civilization! You have to pull in to get a closer look!
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The aliens, who call themselves the Swall, are a species of aliens with amphibious traits. As you see them now; they are industrialized and modernized with cities and mechanical transport, factories, and weapons roughly equivalent to your own historical past. Their society seems to have a military-industrial basis for society, with a democratic selection method for their leadership and state.

Their technology level seems to have advanced to a late industrial age- though amazingly their atmosphere only hints at a tiny amount of greenhouse gas emissions- less then a hundred years worth. That is an incredible speed of development. They are dependent on fossil fuels. There is a mixture of natural and arbitrary borders, crumbing fortifications and lightly staffed military bases between these hint at a presence of nation states- have they already achieved a political unification?

You have the AI aboard the ship quickly gather data and being translation and transcription. The information flows to the captain of the ship at the same time as you.

And they're just.... so damn cute! You love them! Look at how the capitalist and scientist class intentionally they obfuscate the damage their transitional fuels are doing to their ecosystem! Look at how they gerrymander and use bureaucracy to enforce the supremacy of the dominant social-racial group! They're JUST like little Jaxtians. It's so cute! <3

“ATTENTION! ALIEN MENACES!”

Oh?

”This is the Nuclear Sub X-R-Two. We have clearance to use our spears to destroy any hostile, communist alien threats. You are warned to leave this planet and solar system immediately, or else you will be fired on for violating our species's space.”

Nuclear... weapons? Do they actually have nuclear weapon technology? According to Hegemonic doctrine- any species with nuclear weapons has crossed an invisible threshold. They can no longer be considered an intelligent animal species- but a rival empire. That is not good. Under no circumstances can a rival or state be allowed to nuke a Jaxtian ship, planet, or holding. The consequences from such a thing happening would be extremely severe.

However, we are also engaging in first contact. Now would be a good time for some advice on how to handle this, Supreme One.

>Inform the aliens that their Nuclear Weapons put them in danger; they must dismantle them immediately
>Ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves
>Leave as fast as you can and pretend you were never there before they gather evidence of your existence
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>>5209148
>"Well, you can certainly try, X-R-Two, but I doubt you want your nation reduced to rubble for the intergalactic equivalent of a spitball."

>Bluff them a bit, ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves- peaceably.
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We could warn them that doing it would do literally nothing. Threatening them would be stupid, they'd just get even more angry, but it would be extremely easy to make them think that nuking us would be completely useless.
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>>5209154
+1
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>>5209148
>"Frankly, using a nuke will probably cause more damage to you than it would for us. Let's take it easy now."
>Bluff them a bit, ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves- peaceably.
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>>5209148
>Ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves
But only for nefarious purposes. Fuck these guys.
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>>5209167
>Fuck these guys
Please don't, Eoba already got space aids once
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>>5209170
I didn't mean it that way but it's probably going to happen anyway; the quest is literally tagged netorare
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>>5209146
>To give him an AI of any intelligence and telling him not to modify it is pure naivety.

What if he only has access to the output--a screen with a virtual nanny or waifu, or a hologram, but NOT the console which produces that output?

>>5209148
Jaxtians would find Western Bloc humans cute? Not sure how to feel about this.

>"Frankly, using a nuke will probably cause more damage to you than it would for us. Let's take it easy now."
>Bluff them a bit, ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves- peaceably.
>Flirt, because you're a confirmed xenophile
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>>5209204
>Flirt
Eoba's an alienfucker, not gay.
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post yfw Eoba sends them a dick pic regardless of your vote
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>>5209216
pls not

being silly is a thing, this is too much
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>>5209148
>"Frankly, using a nuke will probably cause more damage to you than it would for us. Let's take it easy now."
>Bluff them a bit, ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves- peaceably.
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>>5209148
>"Frankly, using a nuke will probably cause more damage to you than it would for us. Let's take it easy now."
>Bluff them a bit, ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves peacefully.
>>5209174
...what.
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>>5209228
>what
Last thread, bananas had eoba fuck the wife of the chief native after beating him in a fight. We didn't even vote for it, he just did it.
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>>5209238
did she protest?
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>>5209238
Some people did vote for it, didn't they?
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Gonna break character here for a second- I was really hoping taking a month long break would put a simmer on the NTR meme from last thread. I'd appreciate not having another 50+ reply derail about it again. Thank you.
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>>5209257
Fine, I'll stop shitposting about it. Even though it's fun.
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>>5209257
You dug your own grave with that mate. Don't fuel the fire and it will fade out.
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>>5209213
You think they have no women?

>>5209238
There was no majority for cucking the chieftain, but there was a majority on a prior vote in favour of having sex with SOME green woman, and a slim (but enthusiastic) plurality who wanted it to be the chieftain's wife or daughter.

>>5209257
I'll drop the subject, but it'll probably remain a simmering undercurrent until we switch to the next Supreme Ruler. That said, I don't believe you did anything wrong or undemocratic there. You just editorialized the vote a little bit in a funny, character-establishing way.
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>>5209257
Well, that's kind of what happens when you touch that subject. It'll fade out when eoba dies, i'm guessing, since no one seemed to talk about vul's business after he bit the bullet.
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>>5209257
>another 50+ reply derail
>>another
what the fucking hell
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>>5209146
so no more ingar clones? could have been useful
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>>5209248
It was her idea
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>>5209146
Waaaaiiit... darnit. Did we just miss a chance to have this new Ingar get any Alvais 'rogue' elements still in the star system to stand down?

>>5209148
Third option's a non-starter, they contacted us so they know we're here.

And 'disarm yourself to make yourselves vulnerable to us' isn't going to play well.

So i'll support
>>5209164
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>>5209332
goddamn BQM
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>>5209226
+1
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>Let's show interest in their goverment and culture, and after a while, warm them of how extremely dangerous it is to threaten other civilizations with nuclear weapons at the first sign of their presence.
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>>5209148
>Inform the aliens that their Nuclear Weapons put them in danger; they must dismantle them immediately

This is gonna be our first planetary invasion! TIME FOR WAR!
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>>5209164
+1
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>>5209146
>This is the end of Ingar's story.
Well that's a bit of a shame, I was honestly hoping for more of a redemption arc for him, maybe with a real waifu this time.

>Though somewhere along the way- you feel as though you may have missed a certain opportunity.
Yea, I can't really let that slide. The moment you put 'Chance of Severe Consequences' in that option, you essentially soft-nuked it from consideration. Please don't say that we missed an opportunity when you yourself poisoned that well, I would've voted for the option that broke the cycle of clone child abuse simply because I would've thought it IC to do.

>>5209148
>Inform the aliens that their Nuclear Weapons put them in danger; they must dismantle them immediately
>Ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves

>>5209170
>>5209174
Keep seething. And that'll be my last shitpost on this subject, outta respect for the QM's wish to move on from that bit of autism.
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>>5209537
Good Monke Jesus, the irony of accusing people with the seethe in that very post baffles me.
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>>5209537
In cases like this, the "best" option is rarely one of the ones actually presented and requires creativity from the players. There are likely clues we missed on finding the "best" ending for Ingar II here.
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>>5209551
Monke Moses disagrees!

Dat M&M thou...

>>5209561
How do you figure that?
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>>5209600
The best example is with the last thread and our choice of how to make Navigators. The choices presented to use were:
>Recruit willing volunteers to be blinded and trained to be able to "See" in Hyperspace
>Create a new genetic caste of blind-from-birth indigos specifically raised for Starsight
>Do nothing and hope the Threemind computer can handle it in the future
>Other (Write In)

We ended up choosing to use Migrators as our Navigators which BananasQM directly stated in response:

"You feel very strongly that for your ingenuity and knowledge of the Hegemony's assets, you have made the correct and most efficient choice."

Which you can compare to

"Though somewhere along the way- you feel as though you may have missed a certain opportunity."

We as players missed information that could have been utilized to get a better outcome without the need to gamble on the chance of severe consequences action. I'm sure at the end of the thread BananasQM will give us an idea what hint we missed.
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>>5209618
Now that I look back over everything I believe >>5207805 this anon was righting with suggesting we could clone the female that OG Ingar was obsessed with. As you can see in the picture of personal items that survived the OG Ingar there is a piece of fur from that female that we could have used to clone. I think that would have given us a better ending for him and a potential supreme candidate in the future. However, after our choice, we burned all the items so there is no going back to fix this.
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>>5209625
The problem with that idea is that it would have taken too long, no? That Ingar was already grown up.

Last time i checked, we don't have ultra-fast clones. We still have to raise our people from birth, and unless we wanted to wait nearly two decades to give him his blonde waifu, it wouldn't have worked.
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>>5209632
He is a child now he wouldn't need her right away anyways. I sincerely believe based on the information given and the hint within the artwork that it would have been the best result. Once she was a reasonable age we could send her in as a companion. Alas we missed the oppurtuntiy.
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>>5209625
>However, after our choice, we burned all the items so there is no going back to fix this.

Can't we attempt it? I know we only missed the clue by an update, but there something deeply unsettling about leaving Ingar forever alone that I just want to rectify. It doesn't have to be a sad ending.
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>>5209637
>he's a child
He's not a child, as he's being sent to the crypt, which means he's old enough to work. Think of it in terms of ages, we'd have to wait until she developed to maturity, that's anywhere from 16-20 years, depending on how monke biology works.
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>>5209647
Well, that's the thing, we voted to give him some fake AI waifu, but apparently that wasn't allowed.
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>>5209649
It's starting to make me a bit depressed now
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>>5209661
It doesn't even make sense, honestly. Why would giving him access to an basic personality waifu somehow break his secrecy? What does having his own Joi have to do with his project?

Artificial Intelligences are not created equally. Giving him a front-end only artificial companion would give him the support he needs. Fuck, we could even have made it an copy of the Blonde Woman without needing to raise an waifu clone.
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>>5209667
He is an artificial intelligence genius, any form of AI in his hands is a weapon of mass destruction.
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>>5209679
How is a waifu any worse than giving him access to developing the fucking Threemind?

That's like if you refused to give a person who was working on a fucking nuclear bomb access to a bang snap
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>>5209679
Do you not understand the concept of a monitor? We're not giving him access to the source code dude, they just speak to each other. Do you think programming works through fucking telepathy?
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>>5209685 >>5209692

The Threemind is based on three different types of computer systems Jaxtian, Hazaari and Balathi. Ingar II has only ever been given access to Hazaari computers which are based on Argon. Any type of AI companion would be based on Jaxtian computers and with his extreme genius IQ when it comes to computers he will without a doubt hack and control the AI eventually giving him access to two of the types of computers needed for the threemind. We all saw what Ingar was able to do with our old AI system and how he almost destroyed the Hegemony, we want to avoid that at all costs so giving him access to a Jaxtian AI is a no-go.
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>>5209667
I'm just getting sadder that we missed it. I thought it was a badge, not a lock of hair. Had I figured it, I would've been all over cloning golden waifu.
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>>5209701
How do you think he is physically going to gain access to a computer the glowies who have him under 24/7 surveillance don't want him to gain access to? Turn invincible by programming the nonelectronic fiber of his clothing? Use his sultry C++ powers to make wires levitate and establish connections like a sci-fi snake charmer? He's so good at code so systems he can't touch automatically warp to accommodate his needs? How the fuck do you think he's actually doing the programming in this scenario in which we don't want him to program that one thing and have literally all the power in the world to prevent him from doing it?

Christ, you're as autistic as he is. Too bad it didn't come with any of the genius though, goddamn.
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>>5209708
> The idea of using a companion, in the form of an AI that can support him, is one concept- but ultimately too dangerous. Ingar's new position only works if he's only gained access to one of the three branches of the developing Threemind. To give him an AI of any intelligence and telling him not to modify it is pure naivety. It's like giving a weapon to a warrior and telling them not to use it, or a tool to a mechanic and telling him not to test it..

This is directly addressed in the post by BananasQm
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>>5209725
I would have preferred the cloned waifu anyway. ;_;
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>>5209725
Well, that doesn't make sense, though, does it? We're not giving him an AI. How is he going to modify a front end? It isn't any more dangerous than letting him develop the threemind at all.
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>>5209739
I think I kinda get it if it's meant to be about fucking with his mentality. It would agitate his brain too much and he'd have a buncha tismfits that get in the way of his work, making it counterproductive in the end.

In other words, it's an argument I was too retarded not to skim over but one this other guy was also too retarded to make. We're all a buncha tards over here, apparently.
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>>5209725
see
>>5209204
>What if he only has access to the output--a screen with a virtual nanny or waifu, or a hologram, but NOT the console which produces that output?

I am a little sad that my (I think fairly clever) write-in got vetoed, yeah
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>>5209749
How would it agitate him? I see no reason why a solely frontend AI Waifu would be worse than complete isolation.
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>>5209754
Because he's been trained from birth to modify AI. It's literally all he exists to do. Then we dangle an AI in front of him and don't let him modify it. Wouldn't it be just a giant "fuck you"? The guy knows how AIs work so well that he'd mentally dissect that thing and every single interaction it attempts with him anyway.

It would have been a great idea if it were anyone on the planet other than Ingar specifically.
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>>5209760
It aint exactly the same thing, is it? Again, giving him a front-end companion is no more dangerous than this entire endeavour.
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>>5209764
I'm not saying it's dangerous, I'm saying it's less helpful than giving him nothing at all.

Do you just not want to get it?
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>>5209257
kek this is 4chan. and this is a slow board. What did you expect?

Also I love your quest
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>>5209148
>>Ask to learn more about them and their culture, and introduce yourselves
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>>5209765
I'd say complete isolation is worse.
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The Swall commander sends you a (very likely whitewashed) version of their history and biological information; excluding any genetic information, of course. In return, you send them a Hegemonic introductory video; one that is intended for new species about to become a subjugate species.

They are a sexually reproductive race of bipeds; and are indeed amphibious. It seemed at some point in their evolution, being able to remain in both land and water was incredibly beneficial, and they have retained that ability even now, being able to breathe air as well as filter water through their gills. On a planet with such a wide tropical band and so many island habitats, it makes sense to be able to move between both. The Swall developed on their home planet of Swallia, which is a very comfortable and nice planet for most life forms. Not as fecund as Vetuck II, but a huge degree of biodiversity and the climate makes this place teeming with highly evolved and niched life forms.

Their sexes lack the dimorphism of Jaxtians and Vetuck aliens; their females lack secondary sexual characteristics such as breasts- as they are not mammals. However, they still have a very strong k-selection strategy; as their females put almost all of their bodily resources into an egg, which is watched after by both parents in a strong bonding ritual before the child is born. This, in combination with their constant need to adapt to two totally different habitats, lead to an incredible development of the brain and their intelligence.

In fact; even cursory tests of their intelligence between your races indicates that the Swall can be significantly more intelligent then a Jaxtian. Due to your species eugenic progress, the average Jaxtian is still a bit ahead of the average Swall- but their geniuses are more then a match for your own. This information is not told to you by the Swall themselves- so it is not a bluff. It is apparent from studying the data; their people developed the combustion engine something like five times in total isolation from each other. The past one hundred years of industrial progress from early industrial revolution to the early computer age is more then proof enough.

Their most modern history also shows signs of their strenght- it seems the few remaining nation states on the planet after many years of war and conquest were able to break the MAD stalemate by putting aside their differences and combining forces; possibly to deal with the threat of aliens. Who they also correctly predicted to be common, due to where they are located in your galaxy- and they are currently forming their polity and experimenting with a moon mission to one of their homeworld's two moons. There are living members of this species who grew up in houses which did not have electricity or running water.

It is, perhaps, very fortunate you ran into them while you had a head start.
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“...See, I picked ya right! You're space commies!”

”The Hegemony isn't communist. Perhaps you could call us a non-militarized fascist state, though perhaps a Syncretic Command-Economy might be a more apt descriptor, since you focus so much on economic planning instead of ideology to describe governments-”

“Enough! That right there is a BUNCH of commie mumbo jumbo! You're a pinko FUZZBALL! You won't enslave us with your colonialist honeyed lies. Our nuclear weapons remain armed, as promised!”

”"Frankly, using a nuke will probably cause more damage to you than it would for..."

You can't force the words out. There's something here you can't overcome. You were sharing culture and histories- and they retained their stance. The cultural and ingrained trauma of nuclear war... it's too deep. It's peeling at the scab. You can't joke or bluff nuclear weaponry.

You are a Jaxtian and you absolutely cannot tolerate the threat of nuclear war.

The Essal almost certainly have nuclear weapons. They're a geopolitical equal. The Seekers are allied. The Swall are weaker then you. At some point, you will absolutely need to disarm their nuclear arsenal. You can't simply allow them to exist in Swall control while they are a neighboring power. The Jaxtian-primate is too risk averse. They must be disarmed, or destroyed. It doesn't have to happen now, but you can't just... let them exist like this. If they nuke you, even just one ship or colony, even just as a gesture, the consequences would be extremely severe. Maybe not for your people, but for someone, there would be hell to pay.
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Further complication comes in the form of their society- this isn't just a backwater. This is an intelligent alien species, unified, self-interested, and belligerent. The Migrators were barely animals. The Vetuck are a few millennia behind yourself in technology. The Haazar came to you, and the Baalathi asked for it. But this is an independent alien species-state. To force them to your will is conquest- intentional and bloody. Of course, the Hegemony has no issue with that. Using ones power to acquire more power is both righteous and morally good- all of the power you can gather for the Hegemony means it isn't in the hands of someone worse then you.

The truth is that the Swall are smart. They know that if they decide to start a war with you, they will lose. The question is, how much are they going to destroy in the process? They can make themselves a mad dog- too costly and dangerous to bring down. In an ultimate show of defiance, they could nuke their own planet to deny you the conquest of a rich habitable world. They would understand game theory- they're in the losing sign of the conflict. Collectively, they could decide to make you pay up the difference.

Your decision now is very important. You have to push them hard, but not too hard. They don't know your trauma with nuclear weapons, and you have that small advantage over them.

It is very unfortunate that this is the final system in your local cluster. You cannot simply build an embassy with the Swall with a few dozen Jaxtians and claim the job done. You need an intentional, independent Hegemony controlled colony or planet here to complete your vow. To do so means encroaching on the Swall's “gods given” territory, if one could even consider them as having such a thing.

So now it comes down to your gut. You will either become an imperialist, or break your vow. And if you do become an imperialist, you will have the threat of a nuclear attack. What are you going to do?

>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest
>Create a stealthy remote colony in the system that the Swall won't be able to reach or detect
>Respect their autonomy and leave the system alone- failing to complete your vow.
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>>5209807
It would be foolish to allow them to advance. They'll catch up too quickly...but conquering them directly? They'd just nuke their own planet.

Maybe we could find a way to neutralize their nukes?
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>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest


FORGED BY HOLOCAUST,
TAKE BACK WHAT WE LOST,
WHITE KNIFE TO KILL A WAYWARD FRIEND
BLACK KNIFE, HONORED FOE TO END
MASK OF DEATH, INVINCIBLE!
AKULE- THE UNSPEAKABLE!

A nuclear threat to the Hegemony cannot be allowed to exist
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>>5209814
I mean they're pre-space nukes, right? Just find a way to locate their silos and throw some bunker busters. Or take'em over, who knows.
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>>5209807
>Create a stealthy remote colony
>Convince the Swall (focus on the no nukes part, show them the horrors of nuclear apocalypse, acknowledge that they're smart, perhaps also hint at other nations that would rather nuke them to oblivion (wink wink Esaal wink))
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>>5209807
>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest
In preparation for this initial assault...
>Find a way to locate their silos and throw some bunker busters
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>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
Boots on the ground is *not* going to end well. Even with a decisive technological advantage, they are too smart to not inflict devastating casualties, and they can use tactical nukes besides. Creating a stealth colony only gives them time to tech up and make the problem worse; they need to be dealt with. I don't know how you can read "You have to push them hard, but not too hard" and then think a full scale invasion is the correct choice here.

Personally I would like to put some ships in orbit, aim at cities and critical infrastructure, and say "Submit or you don't get to have society anymore." If they say no, we destroy power generation, data servers, important looking buildings, and of course any nuclear silos we can see, and cripple their society back to the stone age, and we don't have to worry about them catching up any time soon. Then we could set up an outpost somewhere in the system that can monitor them. Of course, if they say yes, that works too.
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>>5209823
>Support
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>>5209823
Hm, not bad. I can support this specific approach.
Changing my vote from>>5209821 to
>Find a way to locate their silos and throw some bunker busters
Then:
>put some ships in orbit, aim at cities and critical infrastructure, and say "Submit or you don't get to have society anymore." If they say no, we destroy power generation, data servers, important looking buildings, and of course any nuclear silos we can see, and cripple their society back to the stone age, and we don't have to worry about them catching up any time soon.
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>>5209823
They have surface to orbit nukes, that is not gonna work
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>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
Without trying to nuke them from orbit, if they try to use nuclear weapons on us then I'm 70% sure that we will be forced to xenocide them.
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>>5209831
We don't know that they do, and even if they did, just them launching does not mean they are guaranteed to hit, and they might not have many of them or they might not be very fast. However, they definitely will have capability to nuke ground troops, and finding *all* of their nukes is going to be difficult without either securing some degree of cooperation or otherwise eliminating their ability to resist.
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>>5209807
>Create a stealthy remote colony in the system that the Swall won't be able to reach or detect
To fulfill the letter of the vow for now

If we prioritize Threeminds we can probably hack the everliving shit out of them before they catch up to our level of AI sophistication
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I like how not even one person has a problem with enslaving and conquering an alien species just minding their business lol
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>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
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>>5209807
>>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest
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>>5209618
>>5209600
BQM's style is to seed clues throughout updates that lead to optimal choices. Now you may argue that this clue was too vague, but BQM doesn't "cheat"

There was a space battle where we had to remember what certain enemy ships looked like and what they did, yeah it was a deep dive but it was still an open book test.
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>>5209625
Wouldnt cloning someone with the specific purpose of being someone's companion be abusive as fuck? I actually agree and think this was the "right" answer, but I disagree with the idea that clone child abuse would be made better with more clone child abuse.
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>>5209920
By our human morals yes, by the morals of the Hegemony no. By the "right" answer I merely mean that it would have given the Hegemony the most benifit in the future.
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>>5209807
They are capitalist. Can't we just buy some territory from them? A moon or colony perhaps?
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>>5209807
Also if they are a democracy there are proven methods of undermining those. Rigged elections, digital propaganda, funding dissident groups. We could probably just fish google whoever in their society has the most power than is conductive to our philosophy and then secretly give them money, technology and/or resources until they begin to dominate the Swall planet.

Think of how imperialism works in modern-day nations. Outright force is seldom used, and when it does it is usually costly and often backfires (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Afghanistan again, Ukraine)

But with the power of money, technology and promising military force against the enemies of those in power, pretty much every "third world" country in the world is in someway subservient to one or more major powers.

I don't care how "anti-commie" they are. There is someone on that planet we can buy the cooperation of. We just do that until our regime change takes root.

Let us do a Monke Operation Ajax.
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>>5209929
Would Cold War America let the Soviets, or SCARY SPACE SOVIETS, just buy up some of the western seaboard?

>>5209936
This is better, but also remember: we need to have a permanent colony here in our current Supreme's lifetime or doom his memory to shame.
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>>5209807
>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest

Operation Monkey Nuts is a go
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>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
>Create a stealthy remote colony in the system that the Swall won't be able to reach or detect

>>5209919
I don't know, the majority vote was for a waifu of some form, of which we were soft-locked out without any time to process and try to think of another option. I don't think that's necessarily 'fair', even if I think he didn't necessarily cheat us intentionally.

>>5209920
Probably not, but it may have led to a somewhat happier ending.
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>>5209942
We could probably set up a secret colony and have it manipulate Swalli politics from behind the scenes until enough regimes have been changed and laws have been passed for the Swall to agree to let us have some territory.

They're not even fully politically unified so it should be a bit easier
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>>5209945
How long would that take?

How much might they advance in that time, being superintelligent relative to us? They went from early industrial revolution to a semi-unified society entering the space age in about 100 years.

Perhaps most importantly to Eoba, will he live to see Jaxtian settlement in this solar system if we take this slow and subversive path?
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>>5209961
We don't have the data but I think it is doable within a decade or so.

Especially if we can make that hyper-advanced fish brains work FOR us.


If anything we may be able to accelerate the same political forces that led to the Hegemony forming, maybe without the nuclear holocaust.
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>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
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>>5209936
While an interesting perspective, you forget that our resources, manpower, and technology vastly superior to these fishmen, as well as a certain lack of morality on our part and lack of near peer rival to support, train, and arm them. It can be argued that recent imperialist wars were far more restrained in their use of force, and often these wars were unique and complex themselves. I think the more appropriate example would be the British and Zulu wars, or the American and Indians wars.

This isn't a vote to support such a conflict, only that it may be inevitable. I'd much rather assimilate them peaceably, partially because Eoba likes the IC. Maybe something like >>5209945 would be nice.
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>>5209936
We legitimately do not have time to spend generations undermining the Swall, we need to complete our vows or be branded a failure forever. Not to mention how smart these creatures are, they are a threat that we need to eliminate.
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>>5209968
>>5209976

We have the resources manpower and technology to take over the planet, but not in a way that isn't massively phyric. We go in guns blazing we "win" a nuclear wasteland.

>>5209976
They are a multi-nation planet with similar lifetimes as us. Statistically, within 5 years, we will have opportunities to take control of several of their governments.

Within ten years I strongly feel like we will be in a place that when we "ask" again, we can get a much more favorable deal on our end.
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>>5209978
They have a single planetary government and winning a nuclear wasteland is better than having a neighbor who is a nuclear power that is ideologically opposed to us. As a culture, we cannot tolerate a nuclear power near us and if they threaten us again we are mandated by this to likely perform a complete xenocide. The cost of resources needed to conquer them militarily right now will be far less than it will be in the future if we let them build up. We will not be able to subvert an antagonistic civilization within five to ten years.
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>>5209978
Hey, I don't want conflict. But just because I don't want conflict doesn't make it inevitable.

>>5209980
Not complete genocide. Their genetics is valuable to us, I'd like to avoid complete extermination. Just commit a Bronze-era or Dark Age collapse, it will take time for them to recover.
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>>5209980
I just reread and I see a key bit I think we both missed.

>They are currently forming their polity
The unification is recent , the ink isn't just wet it's not out the pen yet.

The negotiations are always the most fragile and volitile parts of any social upheaval. Look at Gran Colombia, the Articles of Confederation, the 2004 Afghanistan constitution, or all the stops and starts that led to the modern EU.

We have several different powerful nations that were enemies until relatively recently, all banding together just to hate out Xenos.

The unified Swalli government probably doesn't even exist or if it is, it is a loose alignment that exists for numerous political and wealth classes to reconcile all their interests.

I highly suggest we embed Hegemon assess as deeply as is practical in the nation building process and have it turn towards our goals.

We plant the seed and then harvest the fruit.

Eoba my my count should have at least ten years left in him.

The moment he starts feeling he may die or retire soon, he pops the cork and requests the new Hegemonied regime to deal with us.

Alternatively we can deliberately sabotage the state building process to keep the Swalli divided and week.

Or we can do a mix of them.

Either way I firmly believe going full CIA here is our best chance at claiming a world in this system.
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>>5209807
>>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)

>Start preparing a full scale invasion force for if we are unable to convince them of the peaceful method.

Also, what if their 'alien' fears are not just assumed paranoia but a result of the Esaal abduction-visit? If even one of their living people saw even one of the Esaal during their mission we might be able to turn the generic fear of 'aliens' into a specific fear of the Esaal - and then convince the Swall that only we are local and strong enough to prevent the Esaal from launching whatever plans they have.
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>>5210041
+1, seems like the best choice for now.
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>>5209920
>cloning someone with the specific purpose of being someone's companion abusive as fuck
and what we're doing to Ingar isn't? This whole quest is a goddamn warcrimefest.
Besides, if you raised her together with him, they would naturally become interested in each other. It is intentionally limiting their potential through manipulation, but it's not necessarily going to impact either of them in a negative way if you do things right. Quite the opposite really, as they would have a much stronger bond with each other than most couples do.
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>>5209807
>>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest
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>You have to push them hard, but not too hard
Hello? Guys? Full Scale Invasion is the "obviously wrong" multiple choice answer here, how is it this popular?
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>>5210146
They're correctly roleplaying as a non-chad cum-for-brains alpha.

Or the quest is really popular now and therefore attracts low-effort players more than when it had a smaller audience. It's just a trick of perspective how you want to see it, really.
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>>5210159
well if that's the case, then I really hate to say it, but I hope these prompts get a bit easier to compensate
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>>5210146
Tallying the votes, it looks like convincing disarming and submission is currently winning as the first-choice option
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>>5210163
Ehh. Losing is !fun!
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>>5209807
>>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest

Come on folks, playing as the aliens from XCOM is fun
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>>5210041
This. We can buy their favor with outdated weapons that while no threat to us, will be super advanced to them.

This is a late stage capitalist society and we have six planets worth of reasources.

Some campaign donations here, some patentable tech there, we can have the fish eating out of our hands.
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Once we ply them with cash and tech we can offer something like this

>You receive
Promised defence from any hostile aliens
Training in modern space warfare
Advanced (from their pov) technology

>We receive
Nuclear disarmament(as the more advanced Hegemony military is a better deterrent)
A planet in their system to establish a base

Basically I want to Portugal these folks.

Hell we could even promise to help them clamp down on dissidents to their New World Government.
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>>5209807
>>Prepare secret full scale invasion force and come back for a full conquest
VICTORY TO THE HEGEMONY

The main reason I want an invasion is to provide Jaxtians valuable lessons in conquering and subjugating planets. Our army has not seen this kind of heavy combat and it's time we put it to the test.
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>>5210412
Support, we need friendly subjects, not thorns in our side like the Red Hazzar and Yuan.
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>>5210461
Considering these are semi-aquatics, I'd rather incorporate them. Fighting them on their home turf is going to be a drain on our resources and a bitch to deal with, along with a hyper-intelligent insurgency? War is a folly, we're already dealing with with two extreme crisis already with the Clyde and Yuan, we don't need a determined intelligent insurgency on top of all this.
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>>5210412
>+1
>>5210480
To be fair, we only need to make their world unlivable while we make an outpost on another body and wait for them to die after which we can mine their world for resources. Disrupt their ability to reach beyond their surface with repetead orbital bombardment and set up mirrors in the orbit to focus and reflect the sunlight back to their planet, you know what they say about frogs, you have to cook them slowly. We are pressed by time however with Yuan and the Worms and everything else so its better to just integrate them quickly and subvert them.
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>>5210494
We could completely genocide them, I agree. I want their genetics though, higher natural intelligence and the ability to breath and exist under water would be extremely useful to us.
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>>5210505
That's even easier. EMP their energy grid so that their communications go down, gass their population centers, land with armored forces to kill the folks that survived, collect the corpses and preferably whoever survived, clone them and profit. we can do this for both big cities and small villiges.
We either go diplomatic or do a xenocide, no inbetween.
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>>5210521
You forgot that they have nukes, mate.

If we want to take them out, we should scan their planet to find their nuke locations and them bunker buster them, or find a way to shut them down.
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>>5210533
This is why, in this scenario, we would use electromagnetic pulses, likely originating from our own nuke detonating high above them, to knock out their communications, after which we gass and kidnap isolated villages.
Considering the actual course we will take, I think we should minimise our impact in their economy as much as possible so that a growing discontent population will rise up against their ultra-capitalist system after which we could help them and use them as our puppets.
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>>5210538
>originating from our own nuke

Found the critical flaw in your plan.

>Considering the actual course we will take, I think we should minimise our impact in their economy as much as possible so that a growing discontent population will rise up against their ultra-capitalist system after which we could help them and use them as our puppets.

I don't think you exactly understand what you're really getting into with war, I think you'd prefer more subversive methods if you want to retain anything of value and not create an insurgency against us.
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>>5210546
>Found the critical flaw in your plan.
NEMPs are a real thing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse
>I think you'd prefer more subversive methods
Which is why I voted for the Monke Portugal option. If anything, I think a top priority after/if we don't xenocide them is to put as much bureaucracy in their space industry and programs as to neuter them until we properly puppet them. I was merely thinking about the ways we could circumnavigate the whole amphibian Viet Cong with nukes thing in the best manner for the Hegemony. Had we not be pressed by time and enemies, I would have voted to kill them and take their DNA from their corpses. Alas, we have bigger worms to extinguish.
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>>5210567
>NEMPs are a real thing

I was referencing the fact that we have none, and have a cultural aversion to them.
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>>5210505
Hey now, no one said we couldnt use their genetics, if anything I think weve seen how capable our cloning technology has taken us so far, the future has much in store
clone saga has been fun though i wont lie
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>>5210574
One hundred BILLION Ingars!
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>>5210573
Instead of EMPs we could bombard their infrastructure from orbit and then deploy chemical weapons on a wider area as to make immediat response impossible while we take their corpses. Now that I think about it, our army is pretty bad.
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>trying to go to war normally
You people do remember the entire problem is their nukes, right? We need to GET RID OF THEM.

I mean, surely we should be able to locate their silos with our advanced sensors, right? And if they're in the early space age, we could also hack them to acquire information.

Fuck, we could just use the balaathi virus to take control of their stuff.
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>>5210623
>balaathi virus

Actually, that might be a good false flag to get them into our corner politically. The Balaathi must be due in this system sometime soon, if not already here. We should use them as our stick to the Hegemony's carrot.
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>>5210638
True - but like i said, we're extremely more advanced, computer-wise. They're not mechanic anymore, so they have digital computers - which can be hacked.

Mostly, we need to take out their nukes. If we can take out their nukes, they have nothing they can even do.
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>>5210638
Hell we could basically offer them a similar deal that the worms offered us. We have decent rep with the Spiritualists we could even be a middle man . Buying their reasources and selling them off for a profit to the galactic community.

Honestly them being late stage capitalists are a major boon for us. They have basically the most manipulateable society possible
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>>5210640
See, they would, but the problem is that they also seem to be full on red-scare and think we're communists.
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>>5210647
>think we're communists.
Let's face it, they're not really wrong.
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>>5210647

I think tens of billions of dollars will help with that "misconception."
>>5210652
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>>5210652
Ehhh, we're more of an mix of ANGSOC and China
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>>5210652
Communists (at least in theory) disavow class structures and inborn hierarchies. We idealize such structures.
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>>5210761
Yeah. We're about as communist as the Tau. We literally have castes.
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>>5209831
What are they gonna do? Lob them at us?
>Tractor beam + shield that shit

>>5210412
This, I like this idea. Make them an offer they can't refuse.
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>>5209807
>Convince the Swall that they need to disarm and peacefully submit to Hegemonic rule (Leads to another choice)
>Create a stealthy remote colony in the system that the Swall won't be able to reach or detect

>>5210412
I like this idea, will support if this doesn't get ganked like the Ingar waifu idea.

If they have the conception of communist, it must mean that there is an undercurrent of communism sympathy and sympathizes with this world. If we can engage with those elements, it may be easier subverting them.
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>tell them about the horrors of our own nuclear war and ask them to disarm.

>Prepare for invasion

>Bring significant missile defense forces to defeat any airborne nukes.

>When we invade, say that we're doing it to liberate the Swall from their megalomaniac nuclear weapon wielding overlords.
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Working on the update now.
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”General, as I am sure you are aware, you stand no chance against the Hegemony in an open military conflict...”

“Ahh- that proves you're scared! Our spears can blow you out of the sky.”

”Two hundred and twenty five.”

“Hmm?”

”That's how many water purification plants are within a five minute strike distance of our current craft. Eighty communications towers; crippling your submarine's ability to communicate with the rest of your society. Oh, and the silos-”

“You think you scare me, you damn dirty monkey!?”

”Your species controls forty five hundred and six nuclear warheads. Judging by the radiation reading- about four hundred are plutonium based, the rest uranium based. Low orbital strike missile platforms could strike anywhere on the planet's surface. Experimental high orbit or space flight rockets are being considered, but less then three could actually be deployed.”

“...”

”This information can be easily made public. As with the Hegemony's message. Don't ignore your voting bloc, General. Perhaps it is best if you arrange a meeting with your public leadership...”

Convincing through the threat of force is much gentler then actually having to employ that force. Of course, you don't mention the fact that this exploration vessel is alone and about two years away from reinforcements- having to wait that long would give the Swall a great head start at their own space program.

You ensure that the Swall general population has a version of your message to the Swall leadership- broadcast on their archaic television and radio networks- they themselves will understand exactly what is at stake here. If this arrogant general or any leader of the Swall wants to launch a cheeky nuclear bomb- they would be held accountable by their own people... at least before you can get to them.
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Soon, a meeting of some of the highest individuals in the Swallish state commences. The leaders are clearly coming to the table with a desire to bargain, and try to avoid losing as much as they can in the inevitable takeover.

“Our history is bloody with communist revolts- always ending in failure and a terrible result for the working class and nationhood. We cannot allow these communist aliens to force their ways against us.”

“Please, Chairman. This is a matter of species survival; it goes beyond mere living standards and worker's rights.”

“You fools are going to roll over for them?!”

“General, you didn't see it necessary to invoke your emergency right of first strike- so clearly, the benefit didn't outweigh the risk for you either.”

“...”

Since you have decided to convince the Swall to disarm themselves, which is your primary goal, you've got their ear now. This could also be an opportunity to incorporate them into your empire fully as second class citizens.

However, you need a good “in” in how to convince them. Supreme Rulers are naturally skilled and highly trained orators, as being the most powerful leader of a space empire aught to be. But through what concept should you convince this group of men to submit themselves to the Hegemony?

>Ideology
>Quality of Life
>Survival of their Species
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>Technological ascendance and monetary acumen.
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>>5211078
>Quality of Life
They are very ideologically opposed to us. Survival of the species is all stick and no carrot. They alrwady know we have a big stick. Time to offer them a carrot.

Also maybe clarify that we are not commies and that the fact we are a star faring empire means that unlike communism, our system works.
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Quality of life is not a good choice because it'll feel like a bribe. Instead, we should convince them that joining us would give them the best scenario for their species in relation to all the other powers

If they go independent, not only will they have to deal with the likes of the Esaal, they'll also be vulnerable to threats like the Balaathi and the space worms

As long as we can convince them their species won't be our slaves, it'll work out well.
>Convince them of the benefits of joining the Hegemony
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>>5211078
>Quality of Life
Just give the elites superdrugs and exotic alien hookers.
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>>5211078
>"Look, we're going to be honest here. We're not the only alien race out here. Entities like the Balaathi, Esaal, and space worms will be threats that you will have to deal with if you go independent. They will not be as pleasant as we're being right now."
>"On a galactic scale, you're outnumbered. This isn't a threat, this is just the facts of the situation. Instead of butting heads with us, perhaps you can work with us for a mutual benefit."
>Convince them of the benefits of joining the Hegemony
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>>5211078
>Survival of their Species
As in, we'll protect them from other alien threats, and provide them with a great deal of autonomy (though no true independence). Way better than some of the other options, which we should gleefully list out. Also imply that if this doesn't work, we'll have glass the planet to prevent the Swall from becoming a resource for our competitors instead.


We can throw in some QoL stuff as well but they're smart enough to figure out the tech eventually and they know it. Our ideology isn't appealing to them either, leaving only survival as the valid option.
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>>5211078
>Quality of Life
The carrot
>Survival of their Species
The stick. Keep in mind, it’s not only the Monkes out here. Undoubtedly you’ll face other hostile aliens, probably even in a couple of years (the Balaathi specifically come to mind, given the presence of a gas giant and the Balaathi‘s attempts to colonize other systems). Be thankful that this isn’t as rude of an awakening to galactic politics as our first contact was.
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>>5211078
>Quality of Life
Getting life extension technology is a pretty convincing thing.
>Survival of their Species
If we can pick more than two then this too, talk about all the other hostile alien life out there like the worms, in fact make sure to tell them to equip all their crap with UV lights in case of sudden worm infestations.
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>>5211103
This was me phone posting, changing my vote to:

>All of the above!

We shall embrace the Swall and turn them into new patriots!

>"To re-iterate, the Hegemony is not communist. A history of communist revolts is indicative of a system that creates dissatisfaction by promising equality and freedom in a universe where no one is equal or free. And when the lower classes realise that some people are more equal and free than others chaos ensues. The Hegemony does not sugar-coat the truth. It acknowledges the reality that individuals are not and can never be equal, and instead of the pursuit of empty freedom it offers it's subjects something greater: Purpose!"

>"If you think me a tyrant then you need only consider the fact that the Hegemony is an interstellar empire. Our citizens may not be equal but even the lowliest worker enjoys a high standard of living; our system WORKS. And our races are not so different. I have encountered many races during my reign, many where either threats to be eliminated or inferiors to be subjugated, but you know what I see when I look at the Swall? Potential! We both value order, progress, and knowledge!"

>"Also, we're going to be honest here. We're not the only alien race out here. Entities like the Balaathi, Esaal, and space worms will be threats that you will have to deal with if you go independent. They will not be as pleasant as we're being right now. On a galactic scale, you're outnumbered. This isn't a threat, this is just the facts of the situation. Instead of butting heads with us, perhaps you can work with us for a mutual benefit."
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>>5211078
>Quality of Life
Their main worries here seem to be reduced living standards from living under "communism" and workers rights. Demonstrating that we have high quality of life should assuage these worries. Ideology is unlikely to work against these dogmatic people, and Survival of the Species is something they are already well aware of. Quality of Life is a new angle that they aren't aware of yet.
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>>5211116
It is a bribe. Bribe them. Bribes work. Their entire political culture is basically bribe based if it's at all similar to current Irl Earth

>Quality of life
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>>5211078
>Quality of life

Lets show them all the crazy ass tech we have, they're failing to understand just how advanced our species is
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>contact alien species
>they hate your ideology
>they're smart enough to catch up to your tech shortly
>they are keenly aware you can destroy them and respond positively
>QM offers choice for persuasion strategy between literally those 3
>vote anything other than survival

I take it back, losing isn't that fun. Not like this.
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>>5211198
If we integrate them into our society they'll easily surpass us given enough time and familiarity with our tech.

Unless we do some genetic fuckery like we did with the Hazaar. "Intelligence dampener" type shit
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>>5211200
I will never cease to be surprised by the depths of /qst/'s retardation.
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>>5211198
It's been like this since the first thread. People are fucking stupid and will vote for the dumbest stuff because they just read the first vote and followed It like a dumb lemming
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>>5211200
Eh, they're smarter, but they're also extremely heavily K-Type. Bananas said a female spends ALL her resources on a egg. Their birth rate is probably way lower than a Jaxtian's.

If they stay as a minority, they can be used.
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>>5211200
>>5211201
>>5211202
So what then? Costly invasion followed by genocide?

Well that ship has sailed, enjoy the ride or get off...

Or stay mad and continue to shit post, it's your time to waste.
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I'm counting six QoL, two "Convince them of the benefits" (which is a mix of Survival of the Species + QoL), three for Survival of the Fittest, and one for all three, and one "technological ascendance and monetary acumen" (probably just QoL)

It really is just the best move to go "hey look, there's a shit ton of threats, we're being nice here. Disarm your nukes, join us, and you'll survive and get some cool benefits".

I think solely appealing to QoL isn't the best move. And anything about ideology is dead weight, we need to work with them via realpolitik if anything else.
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>>5211078
>Quality of Life
Living standards are a big thing for them and they fear 'communism' will decrease that - but we've been trying our best throughout the quest to give the average Jaxtian as good a quality of life as we can get for them, and genetically advantaged Jaxtians even more so.

>Survival of their Species
They've recently banded their various nations together to stand against alien threats? Terrific, terrific... now let's tell them and show them footage/evidence of some of the alien threats we've already faced and barely scraped through. Baalathi cylinder (if one were to roll in now, they'd probably loose everything above the water line), Hyperdimensional carnivorous worms (want to see the footage where I got this scar?), etc. If we stand together with them, we can all face extra-terrestrial threats to our star cluster with significantly higher capacity.

Additionally, let's not make these guys as 'second class' as the Haazar are and feel. They're intelligent, didn't try to con us, and hopefully will be bought in peacefully - they will deserve a significant status within the Hegemony if we join together. If their gene-scores are high enough, perhaps we could even plug one of this council's current members into a Hegemony overseer position?
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>>5211198
>they are keenly aware you can destroy them and respond positively
No they aren't? They know next to nothing about us other than we are aliens, "communists", and want to subjugate them. Stop projecting anon.
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>>5211211
IT LITERALLY SAYS IT IN THE POST

IT'S THE ONE THING THE ENTIRE POST IS DEPICTING YOU FUCKHEAD
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>>5211213
>deleted post
Oh joy, what did I miss?
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>>5211216
I misread his post and thought it said "they are keenly aware they can catch up to your tech shortly" and posted something to the effect of "no they aren't", reread his post realized he doesn't say that, and deleted it. Nice side effect of getting him to show just how autistic he is though. Also, very nice of him to completely avoid the arguments in favor of QoL and against Survival while simultaneously calling others retarded.
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>>5211216
I think it’s better without any context. Reminds me of Hostile Anon, though I think he was more eloquent in Royal Rumble.
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>>5211221
My counterargument would be "I can actually read"
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>>5211221
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>>5211167
Very sensible. Supporting. But...

>>5211078
>Quality of Life
If we much prioritize one, it's this.
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>>5211205
Like Asians
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>>5211322
Except they probably have mighty prehensile dolphin dicks vs our tiny monkey peashooters, so not really like asians. In hindsight I'm glad Eoba didn't send that dick pic after all, the humiliation would have taken place on a pan-galactic scale
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>>5211322
Asians have way too many children.
>>5211330
t.Hazaar
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>>5211330
You really think we have mastered genetic engineering as a species and our leadership HASN'T given themselves Magnum Dongs?
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>>5211339
>you weren't born into the age of genetically-engineered magnum dongs
why even live
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>>5211339
Everybody knows it isn't the size that counts... rather, how well one can use it.

>>5211167
Seconding this as the prototype speech

>>5211210
And this too for their eventual treatment, and the footage of the threats.
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>>5211078
>Quality of Life
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>>5211444
>>Everybody knows it isn't the size that counts
of course it's the indonesian saying this. fuck off namefag and take your micropenis with you
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>>5211078
>Survival of their Species
The Chairman cares about workers and living standards
The General seems concerned about survival but didn't use his emergency right.
On the image, the General and Military Administrator seems to be the most hostile.
The other guy tried to pacify the others is probably the Science Lead and cares about survival.
The Military Administrator just probably hate our guts at this point but looks like the Science Lead and General are receptive to arguments about survival while onky the Chairman cares about living standards.
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>>5211078
>Ideology
" Centuries ago, on a planet not unlike your own, from the pyre lit by the same kind of weapons you hold so dearly, beliving them to protect you, we arose, The Hegemony. Through the ashes left behind by the nuclear holocaust, we brought peace, stability, a world worth living in. Unlike you however, we chose to see the world as it is, a world where the individual can not survive on freedom, on the idea that freedom is the end rather than the means. In truth, those revolts you have faced are just the symptoms of a larger sickness, a deadly one, one that can't be cured by sugary sirups, but by one of the bitterest truths of the universe, that there is no equality and there can be none. Neither equality of wealth nor of chances can be trully achived since the individual is a specialised being, one whom does not thrive in freedom, but in purpose! Purpose which is what freedom should led to and what freedom actualy means, to be free to do your purpose. "
>Quality of Life
" The Hegemony understood this, and thus we have prospered. Currently we rule over many worlds, each with enough resources that, had we only need to maintain a population equal to yours, we would have eliminated scarcity for millenias on end. Our people live far beyond the age that their ancestors did and even our lowliest workers live what one may see the life of a king. And it is in this prosperity that we invite you to join, because you, the Swall have the potential to rise above the facade of your self-destructing philosophies and rise like us into greatness. It is for this reason we invite you to join The Hegemony and mold that wasted potential into real growth."
>Survival of their Species
"Or don't do that. Afterall, if the alien says that we have the potential to do great, it means that we will do great won't it general? You will surely find yourselves into a bountiful sea, where there are no dangers and you could go frolic all you want unimpeded, won't you? There surely are no Balathi out there, slaughtering billions due to petty whims and changes in the air, there surely are no Hazaars out there, ploting in their ivory towers how to profit of mass genocides, there surely are no Esaals out there, forever marching to war, devoid of individuality and common sense, and there surely are no worms[I forgot their name] out there whom leach all civilizations that met them, through a death by a thousand cuts, while telling their gospel of nihilism and defeatism to all who chose to fight back. Surely, gentleman, the one and greates threat out there are the aliens whom have come to speak to us and invite us to join in their prosperity. But I ask, how do you think I got this scar?"(show them the clip of us killing the worm.)
How does this speech sound? I tried to expand on his >>5211167 ideas.
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>>5211715
>How does this speech sound
It sounds like you need to take your meds and allow the QM to actually write the quest himself, goddamn.
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>>5211715
sounds too dramatic, desu
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>>5211715
We don't need to worry about making the arguments ourselves, he said that the Supreme Ruler is a great orator already, all we need to do is choose the angle he takes.
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>>5211718
I already took all of them
>>5211720
>>5211724
Fair enough
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>>5211718
>>5211724
We're being autistic about it because if we want to pick all 3 then we will likely need to earn it.
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>>5211854
>lacking in focus
>good speech
Pick one, and only one. One of these is going to have be the in, no write-ins about it.
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>>5211338
>Asians have way too many children
Your stereotypes are out of date. Look up Chinese and Japanese population statistics and growth rates.
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>>5211858
Look m8. We're not trying to eat our cake and have it, at least I'm not. My reasoning is that no individual point is sufficient to convince them on it's own.

Survival of the species is a blunt threat that will ensure short term compliance, but not l9ng yerm loyalty.

Quality of life is indeed a bribe, and bribes are great for one off deals or sweetening existing ones, but by themselves can't buy the willing submission of an entire civilisation

Ideology will forge a deeper bond, but by itself is too abstract to inspire loyalty without being backed up by material results.

This is why I'm trying for all three:
Carrot, Stick and Common Ground together where each on it's own would be insufficient.
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>>5212025
Choose one to focus on, at least. MLK was good at speeches (love him or hate him) and his speeches touched on multiple subjects, but there was a clear theme for each and every one. If he had shit to say about religious freedoms, worker's rights, socialism, etcetera, he still knew plainly that his main focus was on race relations, and that religious and economic themes were flavouring for that main course.
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>>5211715
>there surely are no Hazaars out there, plotting in their ivory towers how to profit of mass genocides
As far as I know, the Hazaar got defeated by the Balaathi. There might be a few mining ships here and there but their homeworld was labeled as likely extincted
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>>5212025
I don't think Ideology will be a good sell to these capitalist leaders dealing with communist insurrections. I think a carrot and stick approach is best. Carrot them with Quality of Life, stick them with Species Survival, and leave Ideology out of it for a couple generations, maybe acting as a pressure release valve for those with communist sympathies.
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"The Hegemony currently rules over many worlds, each with enough resources that, had we only need to maintain a population equal to yours, we would have eliminated scarcity for millennia on end. Our people live far beyond the age that their ancestors did and even our lowliest workers live what one may see the life of a king. And it is in this prosperity that we invite you to join, because you, the Swall have the potential to rise above the facade of your self-destructing philosophies and rise like us into greatness. It is for this reason we invite you to join The Hegemony and mold that wasted potential into real growth."

While speaking to their instincts to survive is an important aspect, making sure these aliens understand the benefits of living under the Hegemonic system feels like a more rewarding topic. Appealing to their desire for a higher quality of life for their citizens is a strong motivator- especially considering these are democratically elected leaders.

Of the leaders, it seems only the Industrial Chairman and General Secretary find appeal in it. The science lead is unmoved, and the general is naturally suspicious.

“Every dirty commie revolutionary claims the same. Less work hours, more access to medical care... and then everyone starves, and dissidents are put up against the wall!”

“While I disagree with his choice of wording, our military administrator has a point. Our species is well aware of colonialism, and within living memory have powerful nations tricked and stolen the valuable natural resources of smaller, less advanced ones by offering them shiny trinkets and tech.”

Given their somewhat conservative culture and rapid scientific development, the Swall seem to find the prospect of increased life quality not as moving as you would have hoped. Perhaps because they've gained so much in the past few decades, or perhaps because their ideology prefers freedom over comfort. Then again, even if you did try to convince them to change their ideology, there would always be stubborn holdouts, like this military general and his nuclear missiles.

“While we do not wish to be adopted by the Hegemony, Supreme Ruler, we do have a counter offer. In exchange for you colonizing our star system and our dismantling of our nuclear weapons, you will grant us an Autonomous Zone. Our homeworld and moons would be off limits to the Hegemony. We will be protected from outside threats as you already exist around us, but will continue as a micronation within your empire's borders. This compromise would give both of us the best of both worlds, wouldn't you agree?”

“...I can't believe you idiots are giving up the nukes. Fucking unbelievable...”
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While your efforts to convince the Swall to join you directly didn't quite work as you'd hope, they did make a counter offer to allow them to exist unincorporated. While this does mean a loss of a habitable planet and a large new genetic and population base in the form of the Swall themselves, you will be able to both complete your vow and disarm a nuclear power within your own borders. It's a win win with no real cost or consequences for yourself or the Hegemony at large. This species will pacify itself.

...The only problem, of course, is in the extreme long term. Given the Swall's rate of intelligence and technological advancement, they could become a problem many years from now, long after your death, where they may be able to outclass the Hegemony's science. However, even this is a longshot, as they would have access only to a tiny region of space with limited resources, while the Hegemony continues to expand its borders and power. Depending on how the Swall develop, they could eventually form a much stronger government that could become a problem. Ideological opposition to the Hegemony means they'll always be against your beliefs, unless you defeat them utterly and remake their beliefs- or bring them to extinction and commit Xenocide.

For that end; your earlier plans of secret colonies would work well with this. You will surround the Swall and be their only neighbor and contact, their bridge to the wider galaxy and their only trade partner or supplier. As such, it is inevitable that there will be culturally cross contamination. And given the Swall's technological and societal path scarily mirrors your own, it is highly likely they will run into the same problems yours did- leading to the eventual extinction of the freedom, democratic, and capitalist state in exchange for the strength of supremacy. The only issue is that creating this situation will lead to an exact cold war situation- in a sense, acting as an outside alien threat may strengthen their resolve in their ideology, leading to an eternal stalemate.

Of course, there is no reason you can't simply lie and conquer the Swall when they least expect it. You have the ability to detect their nuclear weapons, and they know this. The moment the last one is turned off, you could easily conquer them and turn them into a fully subservient race underneath the Jaxtians. For this reason, there is no reason to not accept the deal, at least on the surface... But to the wider world, it could be considered a side of weakness to give any ground to such a small and insignificant alien race...

>Accept the Compromise
>Use espionage and begin supporting like minded resistance groups (After Accepting)
>Lie about accepting and invade them the moment their guard is down
>Reject the compromise and demand they surrender or be utterly destroyed (Warning: Severe Consequences)
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>>5212160
>Reject the compromise and demand they surrender or be utterly destroyed

Severe Consequences be damned, if we let them persist , then Yuan'tul will have a perfect base for a formidable ideological insurrection. I WISH we could let them persist, maybe even grant the Bluz Hazaar a similar set-up to defang Yuan'tul, but unless QM is allowing us such an option... One which we seemingly forsook...

Time to go full-scale alien conqueror on this fishy fellows. Sorry, Swall.
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>>5212160
>Use espionage and begin supporting like-minded resistance groups (After Accepting)
>Confirm in this treaty that they will not censor any Hegemony Media

Honestly, this is the best of both worlds, we can undermine them slowly while completing our vow. When we are done their people are gonna be begging to join the Hegemony.
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>>5212220
Or Yuan'tul will expose our subterfuge, turn them against us, and create a little Multiethnic Capitalist Freedom Planet in the middle of Hegemony space.
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>>5212222
How would Yuan'tul expose our subterfuge, he is a philosopher he has no access to anything.
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>>5212160
>Use espionage and begin supporting like minded resistance groups (After Accepting)

They may be smart, but funding and resources will be a continuous problem to get their science programs off the ground. Our position should be supporting our ideology in their universities until they sustain a critical mass as to change the culture within their institutions themselves to supporting Hegemonic integration. In all likelihood, compressing 500 years of technological change into the span of 100 is likely to have societal and cultural ramifications that even the Swall haven't dealt with yet. Fertile ideological ground if there ever was one.

Put in a red line around WMD in any form and not harboring enemies of the Hegemony, and I can tolerate this deal for the moment.

>>5212165
I'll admit, all these options suck ass to me as well. Outta 1-10, the best option would be a 3, and you'd have to argue heavily for it to be that high. Way I figure it, getting nuked will cause us more cultural damage than any physical, which Yuan will exploit, so demanding subjugation is out. Accepting the deal with no qualifiers is effectively the gambling monke's option, so it really depends on if you think Good Faith is a smart political play. Invading them outright would solve the Swall long term independence problem, but incorporating the freedom-minded Swall unwilling into the Hegemony will give Yuan a larger population base to preach to, so I don't really like that option either. Espionage really doesn't scratch that ideological itch for me, and probably will backfire, but every option will backfire badly anyways, and at least it's somewhat proactive instead of passive or expensively aggressive, so there's that. They all suck, this is more picking which poison we want to deal with.
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>>5212227
>Support
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>>5212223
By cultivating connections, observing our interactions through propaganda and inferring our purposes, and insinuating himself into policy-creation and implementation groups. Remember: "state philosopher" is Hegemony-speak for a high-ranking politician.
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>>5212160
>Use espionage and begin supporting like minded resistance groups (After Accepting)
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>>5212235
Any why would we choose a Blue Haazar over a Monke for Overseeing the Swall?
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>>5212160
Now that I have figured out how QM thinks I am trying to "find the answers"

Anons what was the correct choice and what was the hint?

Quality of Life wasn't the most successful the clue was they already have a pretty good QOL and they are really into Freedom

Was that to mean threatening Invasion was the right call because they showed that even the most hardline of them didn't want to use nukes?

I really don't think ideology was the right answer, we aren't commies but a lot of what they dislike about them would apply to us.

Not seeing what the play was here.

Also my vote is

>Espionage

Its all upside from my pov. I mean I guess they are smart enough they could maybe catch on but what are they gonna do about it. It's not like aid and media are against our deal.

(In fact I would add to explicitly make free trade and media as part of the deal.)
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>>5211715
We all laughed at this anon but I think their last paragraph was the "right" answer

I think some of us pigeon holed "survival of the species" to mean a threat of violence

But spinning it as more a protection racket thing I think was the idea
They are smart enough to know they are screwed. So by attaching themselves to a relatively benevolent master, they can avoid more violent ones m

This is apparently somewhat similar to how the French acted in east Asia.

"Kneel before us and we will give you public schools and keep you safe from the other empires who will abuse as much as we would but without fringe benefits"
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>>5212246
>Anons what was the correct choice and what was the hint?

Gonna go against the grain and say Ideology, just as the hidden unintuitive answer. Industry and General Secretary may be ideological predisposed to it, and the Science may be as well. We were never gonna convince the Military man of anything. Survival would probably get us the results we wanted, and the resentment that goes along with it.

Quality of Life would've worked with their women, due to their mating strategy, so we'll have to make it a propaganda point that their leaders snubbed us and we were kind enough to humor their autonomy.

>free trade
That a joke? Trade will have to be regulated just to avoid a tech boost, and resources will have to be a premium, with the ability to sanction them if needed. Certainly cultural contamination is a worry. Other than certain ideological autism, I don't mind using economic pressures to swing them toward us.

>>5212250
Told you the carrot and stick option would've been best.
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>>5212160
>Use espionage and begin supporting like minded resistance groups (After Accepting)
I think that survival would have worked but I think that they're not a lost cause, we have better propagandists and all.
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>>5212160
>Use espionage and begin supporting like minded resistance groups (After Accepting)
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>Use espionage and begin supporting like minded resistance groups (After Accepting)

>>5212250
Literally four separate anons brought up the point independently you nigger. You were fucking told so.
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>>5212160
Fucking hell, looks like we were right AGAIN. You idiots voted for the wrong option AGAIN. Fucking morons.
>Use espionage and begin supporting like minded resistance groups (After Accepting)
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>>5212250
Multiple people said that "survival of the species" was the best option or some combination of it and quality of life.
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>>5212318
It's seems like taking a month off really done a number to this playerbase's intelligence. Clone Ingar's waifu was a clear tell, and we missed it by couple hours.
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>>5212333
No, it was stupid like this for a long time. Everyone just follows the first even slightly detailed post like the bunch of idiots they are.
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>>5212336
I can see that with the Yuan fiasco.

I think part of the problem is wanting a 'positive' relationship with the fishmen- i.e. one that we can utilize without major resentment. Now we're an untenable situation with this 'micronation', which will need to be solved sooner rather than later.
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>>5212339
Well, now that those idiots fucked it up, all we can do is destroy their society from the inside and wall them off. If they are unable to use the resources necessary to expand, they will be locked. Just like we needed asteroids in the early game.
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>>5212160
>Use espionage to endorse our ideology in Swall academic circles
>Maybe send a scholar or two to learn from them, even
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>>5212343
Not only asteroids but a larger tax base as well, not to mention the resource exhaustion that they'll need to maintain their population. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if the Swall fucked up and crossed a red line that will force a zenocide, or at least a military action against them. This is going to end poorly for them.

>>5212352
I don't mind the Overseer of Xeno-Integration handling this, but I will blow a gasket if Yuan ends up there.
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>>5212160
>Use espionage and begin supporting like minded resistance groups (After Accepting)
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>>5212243
Bluey is already literally in charge of Xeno Integration.
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>>5212262
The Hegemony controls it's economy. Free trade just means the Swall can't ban us selling shit or donating funds to sympathetic entities
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>>5212339
I still think envy and hate are so close together that vote was closer to a trick question than anything
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>>5212419
Free trade requires no restriction on imports or exports. I guess we could control dissemination on our end, but if the Swall can't IMPORT what they like, I think that's just unilateral trade, not FREE trade.
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>>5212458
Free trade just means no legal limits on what can be bought or sold. The individual parties still determine what they are buying and selling.

The Hegemony commands it's economy so we wouldn't buy anything we didn't want being bought and we wouldn't sell anything we didn't want being sold.

The Swall have incentive to keep entities on their planet from buying Hegemony goods and services , a free trade agreement keeps that from happening.
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>>5212160
>Accept the Compromise
I’m going to be honest, I don’t really see how they would become a massive problem. They may become a problem, but one that would be easily dealt with and in a way that would put us in the best light possible. They’ll be on their own, completely, while we have access to alien tech. But I can see how espionage can go wrong.
I see a lot of people going with espionage so I can see how the coin is going to drop but I’m just putting my piece out there.
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>>5212516
>I’m going to be honest, I don’t really see how they would become a massive problem.
They literally went from "no electricity" to "early space age" in like 100 years. Imagine what they'll be like in another 100.

They are a problem, and we need to fucking deal with it as early as we can. We could have convinced them to join, but peopl voted for "muh quality of life", so now we have to subvert them from within so they'll fall into our control
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>>5212160
>Use espionage and begin supporting like minded resistance groups (After Accepting)
Get Monke Klaus Schwab to oversee them.
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>>5212521
YOU VILL EAT ZE BANANAS
ZUND YOU VILL BE HAPPY
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>>5212516
These guys are intelligent creatures who are incredibly quick when it comes to technological progression. To the point where they have fucking nukes.

If we can't get them underneath our thumbs in one way or the other, we got a nuclear power to deal with, and that's a no go. We fucked up with this whole >le quality of life shit.

Let's not fuck up again.
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>>5212520
I mean, really, what’s the issue? So what, they get semi-advanced tech in a hundred years. What next? Nothing. They’re stuck in a hole after that.
And the worst case scenario is “they say some mean things about us and if they attack us we completely obliterate them without any real losses because we completely surround them”.
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>>5212529
I am choosing to believe you're a troll, and nothing can convince me otherwise.
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>>5212529
>What's the issue of an extremely rapidly advancing power who is hostile to our ideas right in our backyard?
Yeah anon, no issue
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>>5212530
I’m just putting my thoughts out there man. It’s pretty obvious espionage is winning.
But considering that you’re over 10% of a thread with 68 posters you’re probably really invested
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>>5212533
>pretends not to know about dynamic IPs to trigger me
Not today, troll. Not today.
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>>5212529
I respect the opinion, and while I do agree that they don't pose an "existential" threat to us, as in, they probably couldn't threaten our destruction, I would say that they do pose at least some threat of harming us going forward if we let them.
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>>5212545
Calling me a troll like that is kind of a dick move anon.
The other people are just disagreeing with me, you’re just calling me completely illegitimate and saying I’m just doing this to fuck with you for the lulz
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>>5212545
>claims dynamic IPs explain his prevalence in the thread
>implying this quest isn't really that popular and he posts about as much as other people
>while also complaining about how this quest's popularity has brought in retards that vote poorly
Which is it?
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>>5212555
obvious false dichotomy is obvious
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You have decided to accept the compromise offered in exchange for nuclear disarmament for relative autonomy- but both they and you know full well this isn't the end of your battle of wills. Because you decided to plan around espionage and cultural absorption, you become the lurking communist threat that the Swall feared so badly; after all, it's for their own good. Your deliberations and talks have you pushing much more access to their "Autonomous" state then the Swall originally hoped; but they have no recourse to demand otherwise. After all, their surrender was essentially unconditional given your difference in power. The Swall are allowed their home planet and moons, but a fully operational and crewed Jaxtian satellite is allowed to be in orbit around their home planet, along with routine shipments. In addition, the Jaxtians aboard the station begin to beam down high quality shows, music, and (eventually) internet podcasts and more advanced forms of interactive entertainment. While the Swall government successful pleaded to not receive any technological upgrades as part of their autonomy; every time a new format is developed your people are already prepared, with amazing art and media, free of charge, with no commercials. Of course, all of it is subtly designed to push the values of the Hegemony. It certainly doesn't hurt that watching a show about aliens is strangely intriguing.

While the Swall remain mostly independent, your advanced spy and information networks begin to grow, empowering the "communist sympathizers" within Swalli society to create their networks. While a violent takeover is not your plan, a back alley spy war begins to grow on their beautiful planet. Some day in not too distant future, they will vote to rescind their democratic rights and join the Hegemony in full. But today is not that day.

This all takes about ten years.

And just like that, with a fully fledged colony built on Swalli-III, you have completed your vow!.

Starting over half a century ago, your vow that inspired your people to make great strides in your technology has finally been paid back in full. While you've never been especially arrogant; you feel as though you deserve a bit of pride and praise.

In less then your lifespan and under the reign of just one Supreme Ruler, the Hegemony has grown to encompass 7 star systems, starting from just one, or two if you count the tiny terraforming colony on Xin that was barely begun at the end of Agori's reign. Underneath your wing many new alien races have been conquered or incorporated underneath the Jaxtian race.

While you aren't beloved in the same way that Talacent was, considering he was the Supreme who both distributed lifespan increasing technology AND developed fusion power, you've really secured a powerful legacy. Congratulations.
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Your newfound empire has grown exponentially larger; which is great, as Jaxt has more then grown past even its once cramped cities. Only now, with multiple habitable plants, stations, and colonies can release the excessive pressures. Your population has grown to almost 150 billion Jaxtians, spread out among the stars, with a few odd billion of minority races. Getting these vast swathes of people where they need to go has become your next major concern, plus streamlining the vast network of interstellar travel and industry. Right now, every system except for your home system and Xin are barely habitated; just long range outposts. It isn't hard to incentivize citizens to settle on virgin worlds; and since you have captured many systems containing gas giants, your supply of fusion fuel in the form of Tritium is going strong and won't run into any shortages soon for the transport ships.

In truth, ruling the Hegemony as not merely a space fairing civilization but as a true interstellar empire is a dream come true for any Supreme Ruler. But you feel like you've been doing all the work at expanded and securing the unclaimed territory. Now, and only now, has the Hegemony's grip on its stars grown to the point that your size and borders are crystallizing. Only now does the matter of actually fully surveying, exploiting, and benefiting from the resources you have gained through the right of conquest. The only problem- You're getting a little old.

While you started younger then any other Supreme Ruler in history, and you've steered the ship faithfully, age will catch up with everyone eventually. You feel as though there is so much left to do. However, even with the impressive natural lifespan of Eoba the first, you need to secure the future of the Hegemony; and the successor of the Supreme Rulership. It's something you've thought about for a long time. But you simply have so many things you still want to do- and focusing too much on empire development will cut off your ability to finish this great change before your natural lifespan is up. What a shame.... But then again, you seem to remember an experimental life extension drug that could boost your longevity even past that granted by the telomere lengthening procedure learned from the Haazar!

In the meantime, you are dealing with a minor logistical problem given the ever growing size of the Hegemony's assets and the distances of space and time. Even with your FTL technology, some systems are still years or many months apart, making most forms of interstellar industry and trade impractical. You'll need to come up with a solution for smooth growth.

>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)
>Create a non-FTL system of laser propulsion for interstellar freight
>Divide Jaxt's population centers and forcibly send people all over the empire to spread your population (Unpopular)

AND

>Vote to take the life-extension drug or not
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Your newfound empire has grown exponentially larger; which is great, as Jaxt has more then grown past even its once cramped cities. Only now, with multiple habitable plants, stations, and colonies can release the excessive pressures. Your population has grown to almost 150 billion Jaxtians, spread out among the stars, with a few odd billion of minority races. Getting these vast swathes of people where they need to go has become your next major concern, plus streamlining the vast network of interstellar travel and industry. Right now, every system except for your home system and Xin are barely habitated; just long range outposts. It isn't hard to incentivize citizens to settle on virgin worlds; and since you have captured many systems containing gas giants, your supply of fusion fuel in the form of Tritium is going strong and won't run into any shortages soon for the transport ships.

In truth, ruling the Hegemony as not merely a space fairing civilization but as a true interstellar empire is a dream come true for any Supreme Ruler. But you feel you've been doing all the work at expanded and securing the unclaimed territory! Now the Hegemony's grip on its stars grown to the point that your size and borders are crystallizing. Only now does the matter of fully surveying, exploiting, and benefiting from the resources you have gained through the right of conquest. The only problem- You're getting a little old.

While you started younger then any other Supreme Ruler in history, and you've steered the ship faithfully, age will catch up with everyone eventually. You feel as though there is so much left to do. However, even with the impressive natural lifespan of Eoba the first, you need to secure the future of the Hegemony. You have a very... special change in policy you have planned. It's something you've thought about for a long time. But you simply have so many things you still want to do- and focusing too much on empire development will cut off your ability to finish this great change before your natural lifespan is up. What a shame.... But you seem to remember an experimental life extension drug that could boost your longevity even past that granted by the telomere lengthening procedure learned from the Haazar!

In the meantime, you are dealing with a minor logistical problem given the ever growing size of the Hegemony's assets and the distances of space and time. Even with your FTL technology, some systems are still years or many months apart, making most forms of interstellar industry and trade impractical. You'll need to come up with a solution for smooth growth.

>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)
>Create a non-FTL laser propulsion system for freight
>Divide Jaxt's population centers and force them around the empire to spread your population (Unpopular)

AND

>Vote to take the life extension drug or not
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>>5212575
>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)
Think about it for a while and this is a complete no brainer. First amongst all things, we need to improve our transportation if we are to improve - while it may be expensive in the short term, it will save untold amounts of money in fuel and infrastructure in the long term. Furthermore, with this newly conquered empire, we have more than enough funds to expend on better transport ships
>Do not take the drug
It's experimental, and the last thing we need is our supreme ruler suddenly getting a heart attack and leaving the throne unwatched. We'll die just like any other, let's secure our successor as soon as possible.
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>>5212583
>>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)

>Do not take the drug
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>>5212583
>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)

>no drug

no more weird science catastrophes goddammit
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>>5212583
>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)
>Don't take the drug

Look, we already had a major power vacuum when we stabbed the blackpilled Agori. I do not want to repeat the power vacuum problem again. Experimental drugs are for test subjects until we know all of the side effects.
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>>5212583
>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)
It will pay itself back
>Don't take the drug
We had a good run as Eoba II, I wander how Monke /his/ would view him
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>>5212598
>monke /his/
>implying that something like an anonymous imageboard would be legal in Big Monke land
Yeah, sure buddy
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>>5212583
>Create a non-FTL laser propulsion system for freight
While I agree that better transport ships are a good investment and will pay themselves off, my apprehension here is that this might make it much harder to appropriately deal with Yuan-Tul's upcoming crisis, and if the other potential outcomes for what could have been are anything to go by, I don't like the prospects of limiting our options to respond.
>No Drug
Wasn't this the same drug that had like a 10% chance of immediate painful death? Not worth the risk.
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>>5212583
>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)
>Take the drug
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>>5212586
>more than enough funds
If anything, we're short on funds right now. We've just exerted great effort to expand and have yet to properly exploit the areas we've expanded to.
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>>5212583
>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)

>Regardless if we take the drug or not, make plans for the succession
I don't mind us taking the drug, but continuity is key. If we drop dead, we need a strong and able successor ready to step up and take the reigns.
Heck, we could hand over power to an of-age successor and THEN test out the enhancement drug.
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>>5212617
You forget that with a civilization as large as ours and mostly independent, our resources and manpower matter more than our money. We are gaining resources and manpower much more rapidly with this new expansion.
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>>5212586
>>5212595
>>5212596
>>5212597
>>5212598
>>5212605

Guys there is literally a 90% chance we get to live for 25 more years, the gamble is well worth the risk.
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>>5212622
Right, but we *haven't* gained them yet, and won't for some time. That's what it means that we haven't properly exploited these expansions.

>>5212635
Not if it creates another succession crisis. We don't have a proper heir yet.
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>>5212636
Eoba II needs time to implement his new succession system, if we leave it as it currently is we will be stuck with the same system. I'm sure we will be able to set a successor before taking the drug.
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>>5212617
But we'll be getting more money flowing around the Heg with better logictics. A few years after the project is finished we'll be shipping around all kinds of rare materials and alien delicacies to get the economy really going.

Not having many funds until then might lock us out of a "throw money at it" option to deal with whatever crisis the QM throws at us next, but it shouldn't bankrupt the government.

>>5212635
>90% chance we'll still be stuck being this guy
>only 10% chance of an immediate switch
pretty shit odds there m8

I'd take it if Bluey was a candidate though
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>>5212573
I am confused about Red Hazzar and Migrators sharing a box
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>>5212635
Yes, and if it fails then we're going to have another sucession crisis. It's not going to work.

We should just set our inheritance system in place.
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>>5212641
The map is showing minorities, red hazaar and migrators are both from our system. Migrators because they're natives, hazaar because their colony (prison) is located there.
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>>5212640
What is this cuck blue Hazzar shit, also Eoba II is based and monkepilled

>>5212641
They both live in the Jaxtian system, Red Hazzar in their asteroid home and Migrators on Caplit
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>>5212641
It's just about where they are geographically. The Migrator world and the Red Haazar station-ship are both in the Jaxt system. Since Jaxtians are everywhere the Hegemony is to some degree, they aren't featured.
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>>5212640
Yes, we'll be getting more money *eventually*, but that isn't soon enough for this crisis. The other outcomes that we didn't pick for Yuan Tul were severe existential threats to us, I would think the potential for preserving our mere existence would take priority for our resources over improving our logistics more than we already are.
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>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)
We basically just did a Louisiana Purchase or Siberian Conquest level of territory gains. We need to build a grant Space Railway system. It will be expensive but once the world's are linked the exchange of resources will pay it back really well

>Take the drug

BUT have a contingency plan. Pick a monke to be trained in a manner akin to the old succession way but do not announce them as an officially successor. If you die from the serum ensure that your will appoints them as successor. If you live make use of them in a way that works in the new system, whatever that is.
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>>5212650
It's only a possible crisis and there might be other ways out of it, not that QoL voters like you will let us actually pick that.

Despite that, I still think it's worth taking the risk instead of slumming it up with sublight (read: ooga booga) spaceships. We're not space niggers, anon.
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>>5212573
While we are voting, may I humblr request a little status quo breakdown of what the Empire is like at the time.

Specifically I would like to know the status of the Cow Alien planet and the Baalathi

Last I checked we had given several nations on CowWorld relatively advanced tech and told them to conquer the planet in our name. I want to know how that turned out.

And I forget if we decided to use Argon to pacify/communicate with the peaceful Balatahi in our empire.
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>>5212650
That doesn't make sense anon, if we're on a crisis then we SHOULDN'T make any PHYSICAL infrastructure projects because they might be destroyed. All it would take would be the propulsion system being blown up or used by whatever rebellion yuan is cooking for it to backfire.

Research, on the other hand, will continue.
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>>5212601
>implying there wouldn't be a honeypot for all monkies that are just functional enough not to be taken from the gene pool but bad in every other way.
Monke /a/ would argue which of the state aproved monke waifu is better and Monke /pol/ would have the biggest HAPPENING when Eoba II killed Agori.
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>>5212573
I am shocked that the voters of Swal are okay with their leaders purposefully denying them advanced tech.

But then again it's a capitalist "democracy" those are well known for going against voter interests.
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>>5212664
You just know that there are Swall alienboos
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>>5212671
>superior harpoon folded over 1000 times
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>>5212675
You got it wrong, it's
>superior knife folded over 1000 times
They are the ones consuming Hegemony media
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>>5212662
>honeypot
They don't NEED a honeypot because we literally have nigh-omniscient sight of EVERYTHING. Artifiical Intelligence controls basically everything, and we control the AI. We can see them through every piece of technology at all times and, unlikely glowies, we will actually accurately find anyone who does the wrongthink.

The Hegemony is literally ANGSOC-Tier Oppression that just so happens to have higher quality of life due to our bigger quantity of resources
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>>5212160
>Lie about accepting and invade them the moment their guard is down
Time to clean this mess up.
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>>5212583
>Create a non-FTL laser propulsion system for freight
>Drugn't
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>>5212656
A possible crisis that might completely end us, but nah being a little more efficient is worth that risk, right?
>MIGHT be other ways out of it
>"QoL votes like you"
not an ounce of self awareness, very nice

>slumming it up with sublight
We already have FTL, this just makes intra-system transport better.

>>5212658
These are both research options, though idk why you think records or research can't be destroyed
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>>5212689
>These are both research options
The second option is to create, not to research. And while records CAN be destroyed, in an age of information it is EXCEEDINGLY harder than blowing up infrastructure.

Yuan is not an hacker, he's an philosophe.
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>>5212689
Nothing will completely end us. Bqm already told us what the other options would lead to and none were a "game over."

This isn't the type of game where we can "lose."
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>>5212695
>Bqm already told us what the other options would lead to and none were a "game over."
Uh...yes?

One of the options was "The Jaxtian race is completely sterilized." Did you really think ANYONE would have wanted to play as the fucking Blue Hazaar after they exterminated us?

We would either find a way to survive or the quest would die. It's supreme space monke, not disgusting space vermin
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>>5212699
Not everyone is rollplaying as monke/pol/ like you are, anon.
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>>5212692
>create vs research
semantics, essentially the same here
>not a hacker, but a philosopher
He's not a soldier either, and I haven't heard of philosophers blowing up infrastructure. If you wanna argue that he could inspire others to do so, that argument also goes for inspiring hackers.

>>5212695
One of them resulted in the monkes going extinct and either continuing as blue hazaar or finding a way to upload our consciousness into AI. Idk about you but I'd rate that as "losing".
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>>5212704
You're kidding right? Do you actually think people would want to play as the race that exterminated the monkes? After several threads of playing as the monkes
>"btw you're dead, do you want to play as the mpreg space bugs that betrayed and sterilized them?"

Either we would have achieved immortality or it would have died.
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>>5212707
>semantics, essentially the same here
No? Create means you build, Research means you don't have the technology but will find it out.
>He's not a soldier either, and I haven't heard of philosophers blowing up infrastructure
Yeah, but rebellions have soldiers. The difference is that he's a genius philosopher. It doesn't take an genius to blow something up, but it does take a genius to hack an extremely well protected digital security system.

Simply put, it's not worth it to create the sublight system when we can improve our FTL. That's the problem anon, not our sublight travel, our FTL travel. It takes over a year to get to the corners of our empire.
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>>5212583
>Create a non-FTL laser propulsion system for freight
>Do not take the life-extension drug
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>>5212718
Regardless of if it actually means "build" or "research", it will take more of our resources to "research" the new ships than it will to "create" the sub FTL systems. We have been demonstrated to that when an option has "(Expensive)", it limits or eliminates future options, and when our future option is this critical, it doesn't make sense to do so here.

I am well aware the Expensive option solves the problem better, but it's not worth it when we could suffer crippling consequences for doing so. That's the problem anon, not our slightly better logistics, but our potential existence as an Empire and a Species.
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>>5212728
See, but that's the problem i'm saying, if we create the sublight system, it'll just get blown up anyway even after we wasted money. If we invest in better FTL, we'll at least get a benefit

Think of if this way: If we choose laser, then we'll lose both due to Yuan's fuckery and because the laser system would be used/blown up/become obsolete

On the other hand, if we spend the money now on the research, we'll get a good progress on advancing our transportation. What makes you think that specifically, the moment we start spending but before we finish the research, yuan's rebellion will start?
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>>5212731
>What makes you think that specifically, the moment we start spending but before we finish the research, yuan's rebellion will start?
Because why the fuck wouldn't it, anon?
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>>5212733
Considering he's an philosopher, he shouldn't have access to our spending. Otherwise, it would be extremely convenient, and at that point we might as well give up because the cyte and the esaal will invade us at the same time for some other dumb reason
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>>5212731
>What makes you think that specifically, the moment we start spending but before we finish the research, yuan's rebellion will start?
Because I'm under the impression that Yuan's announcement was that his work would be released within the century / reign or whatever, and when this quest starts talking about succession, it means this reign is about up, and it's been a very long time besides. If it can be demonstrated with certainty that we have time, I'm fine voting the Expensive option.

>wasted money
I couldn't care less about the wasted money, you are missing the point. The point is that I want flexibility in how to respond to the upcoming crisis, and the Expensive option objectively limits that flexibility should the crisis happen soon as I suspect it will.
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>>5212737
Rebels can be expensive to root out and slaughter, anon.
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>>5212741
>Because I'm under the impression that Yuan's announcement was that his work would be released within the century / reign
"If it can be demonstrated with certainty that we have time, I'm fine voting the Expensive option."

He said he was going to release it during his lifespan, and yuan'tul, being a blue hazaar, lives way longer than jaxtians. I mean, bluey was born during TALACENT'S reign, and he's still kicking.

I would hope that bananaqm isn't going to just dump the crisis at the worst possible moment for no reason other than "lol lmao". Yuan has NO Reason to know about our spending.
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>>5212756
Fuck, i quoted the wrong thing
>"release not one, but THREE seminal works of civic thought and state-driven philosophy at some time during his lifespan."

During his lifespan.
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>>5212756
>>5212757
Yeah, during his lifespan, which could be now. We've been bitten by the Expensive option before, and for a crisis this crucial, I don't like taking that risk. I understand now that it is possible that it might not happen for a while yet, but until it does or we have a more definite timeline, I don't think it's wise to be taking Expensive options.
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>>5212758
Yeah, see, but that's the thing, if anything, it would be a bigger risk if we let our transport continue to be slower during a time of peace.

Think about it, who's going to be at bigger risk of being swayed or led by yuan's philosophy? The Jaxtians on our home planet, or one of the many minorities?

What if he were to convince the Swall and the Blue Hazaar to work to fuck the Hegemony and we still had to deal with year-long travel times?

Plus, "expensive" doesn't mean "completely and utterly bankrupt our government".
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>>5212759
You're right in that it would be better to respond to a later crisis with this option, but I don't know that we have the time or that it won't be right after this where we would be kneecapped in our response. I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on the riskiness.
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>>5212762
It's risky, but generally speaking, i'd say it's worth taking it. The laser system will basically be a waste of money either way.

Unless you can think of another way to help our infrastructure, it's middle risk, high reward, or lower risk, no reward
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>>5212767
You realize that we have complete control over information within the Hegemony and nothing can be published without our consent. If we do not like what he has to say then we can simply not publish it and terminate him.
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>>5212779
Yes, see, that's the thing, considering that one of his other profession options was "sterilize the whole race" and the other was "spawn an giant battleship right on our territory", he's probably going to do cause some big crisis anyway

The question is when it'll happen and how it'll happen.
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>>5212779
Remember when Ingar I leaked all our government secrets in spite of that policy?
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>>5212784
Ingar is an exception because he was not only a jaxtian genius but explicitly assigned to work on our artificial intelligence and technology
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>>5212516
As much as I'd love to believe in the Good Faith argument, the problem for me is ideological. We can't have an autonomous micronation that values freedom interacting with the Hehemony, it's an ideological threat we can't ignore. We also can't allow them to tech up separately to us to the point that they're more advanced (though I would love that see how different their computers are tech would be in such a scenario, just for the indirect tech benefits alone). It those two problems that put us on a collision course, and even if espionage does backfire on us, the other options have the same chance of backfiring with worse potential of that backfire damaging us culturally.
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>>5212583
>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)
It a smart investment, though costly.
>Take drug
I choose to take it because I believe Eoba would risk it for the biscuit. I want him to finish his reign how he'd like to, and if he needs the risky drug to accomplish it, who am I to argue against this madlad's wishes?
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>>5212884
The problem with the drug is that it's experimental. He won't die if he doesn't take it, so if he takes it and dies, we're left with a big power vacuum like the one that happened after Agori died.
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>>5212636
>Not if it creates another succession crisis. We don't have a proper heir yet

Actually, we have our Kinman I'd Eoba dies. I think our brother would've been a fine Supreme Ruler, he can surely chose our successor if need be.
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>>5212893
Kimnan I is not a good choice because he's been turned into a weird psychic beacon. He's literally blind. Not to mention he's just as old.
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>>5212586
>Support
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>>5212886
>>5212895
Kinman's still kicking, and even if he wasn't, I'd like to think that Eoba would set up the next Supreme Ruler just in case. Eoba ain't stupid, he knows the risk of a power vacuum, I think he'd secretly meet with the Supreme Candidates and choose his maybe?Successor in the event of his death.
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>>5212910
Except, at least until agori, who was basically insane, we were given a chacne to choose the supreme ruler.

It can't be the Ingar, who was his secret project, so it has to be someone else.
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When the Supreme dies without an heir or defaults to the other candidates.

Kinman II will be fine as an emergency leader if the serum kills Eoba II. Then he can apoint a successor as normal
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Also if it has a 90% success rate BQM should roll a d10
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>>5212914
Oh, you mean the royal 'we'? I think that depends on how Bananas is feeling at the time, but it would be a dick move to not let us choose our Supreme Ruler again. Just like the soft-locking us out of Ignar's waifu even though we clearly voted for a waifu of some sort. I honestly thought that Goldie's Hair was some sort of badge at that angle, it didn't click until after that it was his former crush's DNA sample (which does put into question why Ignar simply didn't clone her in the first place).
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>>5212929
That was an option with Agori but he ironically felt that cloning a person for a singular role would be a terrible idea, and I mean it wasnt wrong on his end, with Banana leaving that hair it definitely felt like we shouldve cloned her but my thought process with the AI as other anons were doing was that since he was a recluse the AI wouldve been the better option, it is highly unfortunate we couldnt have just given him some gf chat bot we could occasionally give input on as to how progress comes along
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>>5212939
Yeah, that happened a few times already. We choose something but get softlocked.
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>>5212929
>retrieve genetic sample from ideal waifu so you can clone yourself a version to groom from birth
based and ingarpilled
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>>5212980
>>5212939
I still don't get how that was the right answer. The entire premise was to make life easier for a clone, and the solution was to basically make a different clone a glorified pet/sex toy.
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>>5212993
sounds good to me, I have a halfie just thinking about it
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>>5212993
That wasnt even it.

The problem is that it would take too long. We would have to clone the woman from the start, which means we'd have to raise her. By the time she was old enough to be his waifu, a lot of time would have passed already.
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>>5212996
So what WAS the right answer?
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>>5213026
Like i fucking know. I mean, i thought an AI would be the best of both worlds, but apparently we weren't allowed to choose that so we got softlocked out of any choice at all.

Bananas usually answers this kind of stuff on the end of the thread.
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>>5212993
I saw it more like the Blue Lagoon, where two kids grow up alone an an island, and things naturally progress from there. For me, it was less about utility and more of a satisfying narrative ending for Ingar.
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>>5213068
That movie was creepy as fuck mane
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>>5212783
BanannasQM telling us that has been a disaster for this question due to the constant metagaming and bitching.
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>>5213129
I would say it's pretty reasonable to be worried when we know a single action can result in an game over.
>inb4 but blue hazaar
no one likes the hazaar. not even the hazaar like the hazaar.
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>>5213133
It's not going to result in a game over it's just gonna have a big impact, it's also OOC info he shouldn't have shared due to the insane paranoia about it for every single vote. I just want to have a single vote be discussed on it's own merits instead of the great metagame Blue Hazaar boogeyman being brought up.
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>>5213136
>It's not going to result in a game over it's just gonna have a big impact
Having the entire race sterilized IS a game over.

It's literally in the title bro. Supreme space MONKE. We want the monkes, not some gross bugs.
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>>5213139
We didn't choose that fucking option for Christ's sake and YOU KEEPING OBSESSING OVER IT. He's a fucking philosopher we can put him against the wall and blow his brains out if he becomes a big issue. Hell, we can fucking destroy Xin from orbit and erase everyone that ever talked to him.
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>>5213147
>He's a fucking philosopher we can put him against the wall and blow his brains out if he becomes a big issue.
We can't, because we don't know.

I'm obsessing over that choice because we were literally a single choice away from having all monkes sterilized. No shit i'm going to be paranoid until that fucker is buried 6 feet under
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>>5213129
>>5213136
Then you should've voted jealousy instead of hatred. This is exactly why I wanted Yuan dead after y'all fucked it, and that was half a thread before the QM confirmed it OOC. This is clearly a showcase while Direct Democracy is a mistake, all you need is to know Athenian history to know what a clusterfuck that was.

>>5213139
Technically not, Bananas himself said that the Hegemony would continue via Blue Haazar if anons voted for it. Question is, would anons have voted to continue as the Blue Haazar? And this doesn't take in the fact that the quest would fundamentally change, at least from an aesthetic perspective. How many anons would tolerate that?
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>>5213153
>Question is, would anons have voted to continue as the Blue Haazar?
If you'd look at the response, it would seem that no. And that sounds really unlikely.

There would be a bigger chance of anons going for a hail mary and turning into Necromonkeys than there was of playing as the blue hazaar.

Seriously, who likes the hazaar? They were literally an race of mpreg ancapistani russian scammer cryptobros.
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>>5212787
Yuan'tul is a genius explicitly assigned to help craft state ideology.
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>>5213157
Yes, an philosopher. I would hope we don't teach our philosophers how to handle artificial intelligence.

I fully expect a rebellion, though.
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>>5213158
I'm not saying he'll hack the computer systems. I'm saying he'll hack the social ones. He'll find way to get subversive and damning information out. Hell, maybe he'll just compromise a monke who DOES know computers... Or, you know, a super-smart fishfolk.
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>>5213156
I like Bluey, though I think him being a warrior would've been more interesting. And the general premise of a intelligent race self-sufficient from birth is a very interesting concept, though it would be a very atomized society based upon might instead of the community. I don't know how they would create a functioning society capable of reaching the stars to be honest.
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>>5213139
Titles can change. I would have no issue continuing the quest as blue hazaar. red hazaar on the other hand

I bet you were one of the anons that sperged over the possibility of a racial schism from the introduction of indigos. Now we have an indigo supreme and 0 fucks have been given.

I follow this quest becayse it's a good CIV quest that has actually continued to run. As long as I get to guide a civ I don't care if it involves Monkes or not.
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>>5213163
>I like Bluey
Bluey is an exception because he was raised by talacent, and even he doesn't like the hazaar.
>And the general premise of a intelligent race self-sufficient from birth is a very interesting concept
Maybe if they weren't disgusting mpreg rape vermin who drug the people they put their little chestbursters on
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>>5213168
>Now we have an indigo supreme and 0 fucks have been given.
We literally didn't have a choice, bro. And there's a big difference between an indigo monkey and an hazaar.

I would literally rather play as the fucking cow people than to play as the hazaar.
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>>5213153
you are a fucking autist metagamer just enjoy the god damn ride holy shit
I have to agree with 4vs, I remember you from the last thread and you’re STILL going on about this
Like it or not, that was the option that people wanted and voted for. No, anons are not purposefully self destructing the quest. They’re just voting what they wanted to vote for, an option that was interesting and made sense for the character, while you immediately screeched and voted for suicide.
And guess what? I don’t care that people didn’t pick the immediately best, most efficient choice because that’s lame as fuck. Even if we were given a revote, I’d vote the same god damned option.
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>>5213172
Finally someone sane in this godforsaken intellectual void.
Is anything they say about game over even true? You'd think the quest should be long dead by now with all those random anons they hyperventilate about voting "wrong".
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I'd like the Hazaar if they were actually kind of cool or interesting, they're literally just subservient whining faggots who mpreg. And Yuan is sort of a seething retard.

I'd rather player as the cow people or one of these yellow dudes (yellow dudes are actually neat) than a fucking filthy ass hazaar
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>>5213172
I'm still going on about this because it's still relevant. I can't enjoy the ride intentionally fucking ourselves over as a villain to our own quest, and it doesn't erase the fact that y'all voted a literal Hitler into existence just because you wanted to roleplay that IC. Talk about self-projection.

I'm not say we should always vote for the best, most efficient choice, I just don't want to participate in intentionally sabotaging ourselves as our own villain.

Besides, I voted Eoba to take risky drugs to extend his life, most of y'all voted to have him take the boring, efficient choice.
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>>5212583
>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)
>Take the drug. After preparing for the worst.
Contrary to the old slogan, winners do in fact take drugs.
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>>5213206
Only Bluey is subservient. The Hazaar are by default fierce individualists.

>>5213212
> it doesn't erase the fact that y'all voted a literal Hitler into existence just because you wanted to roleplay that IC

I voted jealousy, but whatever, I'm fine with us facing difficult challenges. Even failing. I just wanted an interesting quest, not a cakewalk.

>most of y'all voted to have him take the boring, efficient choice

I voted that way because I'm excited to see another Supreme. I don't want to play Eoba II forever.
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>>5213169
Don't think bluey necessarily hates the hazaar but definitely prefers the monkeys, from the influence of his foster father, and I personaly think in a few more hazaar generations (or even as now if we want to take the chance with the potential offspring of the warrior hazaar) they can be safely integrated further in the the hegemony as bluey would have had much more time teaching the children (even if they learn from their parents memories) as they would have a more positive outlook of the hegemony itself as depicted from when some of the hazaar became pirates it was a small minority as a majority stayed loyal and those who weren't where killed
Though we would still have to work on the Jaxian out look on the hazaar if we want to go through with the plan, and should we get the hazaar into the hegemony, it would lead to a them having a stronger resistance to the influence of the blue hazaar philosopher
Course not advocating they start moving onto our planet's, though from what QM said about what could have happened if we chose jealousy we could start moving a plan to have a larger pop of blue hazaar on the planet they are currently terraforming to boost relations between their species and the hegemony as a to again improves their resistance to the philosophers words about the hegemony

Though we should look into that guy as he would start getting some influence as we are coming close to the end of our reign and wouldn't want to leave some potential problems for the future supreme leader
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>>5213225
Like it was going to be a cakewalk with the Cyte? I'm not asking for freebies, I just don't was to intentionally choose a extinction-level catastrophe.

And we ain't gonna be playing as Eoba II forever, this is just so he can finish his last act as Supreme Ruler to his satisfaction. We ain't playing as Helper after all.
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>>5213212
> I can't enjoy the ride intentionally fucking ourselves over as a villain to our own quest,
All of the options had an upside and a downside. Anons are not “intentionally fucking themselves over”. This quest is popular as fuck, and will continue to be popular as fuck until QM decides they don’t want to run the quest anymore and ghosts us, or we reach a natural end to the quest.
And you know what? If, for whatever reason, this quest spontaneously self destructs because we made “the wrong choice”, you can say “I told you so”.
>it doesn't erase the fact that y'all voted a literal Hitler into existence
We haven’t even SEEN what’s going to happen. Nothing has happened yet. YOU’RE the one who’s going on about Space Hitler.
> just because you wanted to roleplay that IC
Putting yourself into the shoes of a character and making a choice from their perspective is the point of a quest in the first place. So yes, if I was a weird space wasp who was told by weird space monkeys for my entire life that I was inferior, I would resent the weird space monkeys. This is what most people do in quests.
> I just don't want to participate in intentionally sabotaging ourselves as our own villain
Not making the most efficient choice and picking an interesting choice with a possible downside is not “intentional self sabotage”. You know what would be boring? Making a character kill themselves because you don’t like them.
>Most of y'all voted to have him take the boring, efficient choice
I didn’t even vote for this choice. I lurk 95% of the time. I don’t care what people pick for this choice.
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>>5213172
I swear everytime I post about how we should worry more about the story the faggots who are metagaming come out and bitch they want only success no challenge, its fucking gay
>I kneel
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>>5212583
>Research larger and more efficient transport ships (Expensive)
Sounds worth it.
>Don't take the drug
10% is a low risk but Eoba II plan for presumably Supreme Ruler succession is more important and he had a very good run strenghtening the Hegemony.
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>>5213212
man all offense meant, this is an autistic quest about space monkeys. it's not that serious. genuinely talk a chill pill.
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>>5212779
Yuan threat could be a sort of "revolution from above" if it's popular with our intelligentsia and high-class monkes.
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>>5213245
>This quest is popular as fuck, and will continue to be popular as fuck until QM decides they don’t want to run the quest anymore and ghosts us, or we reach a natural end to the quest.
If we chosen the geneticist route for Yuan and it reached it's natural conclusion, would you still say the same?

Regardless, I hope I won't have to take you up on that 'I told you so'. I do find it a bit amusing that the great genetic 'innovation' Yuan would've done would be the switch to Blue Haazar as our main race. Not quite what I consider a great leap in technology.

>We haven’t even SEEN what’s going to happen.
It's clear what's gonna happen. You can't have Yuan hate the monkes, then thrust him into political philosophy and not expect him to turn into Space Hitler.

>So yes, if I was a weird space wasp who was told by weird space monkeys for my entire life that I was inferior, I would resent the weird space monkeys.
Like I said, if you wanna roleplay as Space Hitler, you do you. I just don't want to play as a resentful genocidal monster.

>Not making the most efficient choice and picking an interesting choice with a possible downside is not “intentional self sabotage”.
Again, I don't give a shit about being efficient, I voted for Eoba to not kneel and gamble on the life extension drugs. It's about not wanting to roleplay as a Hitler against the MC race of this quest. This isn't rocket science lad.

>You know what would be boring? Making a character kill themselves because you don’t like them.
No, the problem I have with Yuan is that giving a genocidal monke-racist power within our institutions is autistic on its face, and is causing anons to vote with that knowledge OOC rather than IC. Already anons aren't updating our interstellar transport tech because they're afraid that we'll need to pay for whatever bullshit Yuan comes up with. I'd rather us deal with the Worms, at least we have no knowledge of their shenanigans against us.

>>5213249
Fucking worm-kneeler

>>5213255
Can't have autism and chill, they're literally antonyms lad.
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>>5213314
>worm kneeler
My guy what are you smoking, all I said was I was tired of metagaming, ive been anti worm from the moment they ate the first Jaxtian
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>>5213336
>ive been anti worm from the moment they ate the first Jaxtian

How can a monke be so based? Duj Jr doesn't count, that anti-loyal cunt.

If you want to avoid metagaming, you (the QM) need to avoid giving them the opportunity to metagame. You can't expect the autists of /qst/ to simply not do it after giving the opportunity.
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>>5212657
On Vetuck II. the Vetuck aliens have still not become a totally unified or one-world government, mostly because of their lack of technology. The choice to let them unify and conquer themselves was one done by Eoba II to save time earlier in his reign, but it is something that would be done slowly. Still, the original religious culture that once controlled there is all but destroyed now, replaced by a sort of cautious pessimism and preparing for the return of the "Star King". As the Vetuck aliens don't live as long as Jaxtians, all who saw and met Eoba II during his first visit are dead, and their descendants also old, making the stories pass into legend and myth. If left alone long enough, it will probably become a foundation for a new religious belief or culture, but the observation station orbiting Vetuck II has plans to reintroduce themselves to the Vetuck aliens and begin granting more advanced technology along with Hegemony citizenship- but that will depend on the orders from the Supreme Ruler when that happens.

As for the Baalathi, they exclusively live on the gas giants Nan-I and Nan-II, beneath the cloud layer where your Tritium gatherers operate. Of course, with the ability to fully speak to the Baalathi now unlocked, the strange aliens don't seem especially restless or aggressive in any way. Since Nan-I and Nan-II are not Argon depleted, the Baalathi there are totally peaceful and are not building up technology. However, their use in the empire is questionable; though a few ships travelling through that system have reported using their magnetic language to essentially request minor repairs and ship cleaning to the Baalathi and, after sinking through the cloud layer, the aliens do so without complaint. If this is an intentional act to show submission to the Jaxtians or if the Baalathi are so mindless individually that shouting a word like CLEAN in their language makes them obey it without thought it is hard to exactly tell.

Because you decided to not introduce the Baalathi to Max, your Argon-Rich gas giant in your home system, the fully power of a highly intelligent scientist breed of Baalathi has not been unlocked. In the meantime, they're little more then ambient wildlife.
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>>5213314
>If we chosen the geneticist route for Yuan and it reached it's natural conclusion, would you still say the same?
The quest wouldn’t have ended there. QM told us that if we did that we could go for robot bodies or blue hazaar. You’re either arguing in bad faith saying that every anon would have simultaneously abandoned the quest because “it isn’t about monkeys anymore” or you completely misinterpreted my words and thought I was talking about the conclusion to that specific plot thread.
Besides, the leap in technology would have been the development of the ultimate bioweapon, which is technically an upside.
> It's clear what's gonna happen. You can't have Yuan hate the monkes, then thrust him into political philosophy and not expect him to turn into Space Hitler.
I don’t know what’s going to happen, and neither do you. Only QM actually knows what’s going to happen, because he’s the writer.
> Again, I don't give a shit about being efficient, I voted for Eoba to not kneel and gamble on the life extension drugs.
Okay, fine, I apologize. You aren’t a metagamer. You’re just extremely autistic.
> Like I said, if you wanna roleplay as Space Hitler, you do you. I just don't want to play as a resentful genocidal monster.
Well guess what, you aren’t. It was two choices, and it was in the previous thread. And the anons merely voted “hate, philosopher”. Simple as that.
> No, the problem I have with Yuan is that giving a genocidal monke-racist power within our institutions is autistic on its face,
Well it’s happened whether you like it or not, so stop complaining about muh “self destructive anons” (who made a completely reasonable decision) and let it ride. The quest isn’t going to suddenly game over while QM calls us all retarded and says “you made an objectively wrong choice and now I’m not going to run this quest anymore, game over, everyone is dead, anons have yet again ruined a promising quest with self destructive tendencies”.
> and is causing anons to vote with that knowledge OOC rather than IC.
And that is unfortunately on QM for revealing what the other options would have done, and some of the anons here for being cunts.
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>>5213378
>The quest wouldn’t have ended there.
I was referring to the popularity of this quest. I don't want to see this quest go the way of Game of Thrones, and a bunch of anons would jump ship if we started to play as the race that xenocided the monkes.

>arguing in bad faith
No, I've been blunt in my arguments and reasons, you just keep dismissing them as efficient and boring, which can be charitably described as a strawman argument.

>Besides, the leap in technology would have been the development of the ultimate bioweapon, which is technically an upside.
Against only the now-extinct monkes, and even then I wouldn't consider a plague as groundbreaking tech.

>I don’t know what’s going to happen, and neither do you. Only QM actually knows what’s going to happen, because he’s the writer.
Anon, it's clear it's gonna be an extinction-level catastrophe relating to political philosophy. You can't hide behind the 'I don't know' argument when the QM told us the idea behind Yuan and his choices, it is a reasonable inference that Yuan will become Space Hitler.

>It was two choices, and it was in the previous thread. And the anons merely voted “hate, philosopher”. Simple as that.
Yea, they voted for the creation of Space Hitler. This was bound to end in autism.

>“self destructive anons” (who made a completely reasonable decision)
If you consider Hitler to be a reasonable decision, you might as well join Azov Battalion anon.

>The quest isn’t going to suddenly game over
Again, imagine if Yuan wiped out the monkes and we failed in our immortality play. Could we reasonably be playing the same quest then or would that be considered game over?

>And that is unfortunately on QM for revealing what the other options would have done
Anon, it was reasonable prediction of what would've happened anyway. Anons specifically voted for State Philosopher specifically because they feared Yuan would either create a plague to wipe out the monkes or Holdo Maneuver into Jax. All the QM did was confirm our suspicions.
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>>5213385
>If you consider Hitler to be a reasonable decision, you might as well join Azov Battalion anon.

This is the most topical use of a strawman and ad hominem I've seen in a while. The anon you're arguing with is clearly saying that it was reason in-character for the character we were playing at that juncture, not that he considers it sensible to enact any real-life Final Solutions. Either have a proper discussion or just fucking stop it and go bitch some more in the QTG until the next vote. You're shouting at a brick wall, anyway. Nobody's convinced, and you're both, admittedly cluttering up the thread.
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>>5213404
I think there’s no reason for you to White Knight an anon that’s perfectly capable of defending himself.

Also, it doesn’t matter if anyone is convinced, my point will be proven when Yuan fully pops off. I just want to make it clear that the end result was was predictable from when anons first voted for this particular bit of autism.
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>>5213385
> a bunch of anons would jump ship if we started to play as the race that xenocided the monkes.
They wouldn’t. Everyone ITT loves this quest.
> which can be charitably described as a strawman argument.
You saying that anons would mass exodus from the quest because they couldn’t handle consequences IS a bad faith argument.
> Against only the now-extinct monkes
You don’t know that, and yes, a plague that can kill entire species IS a groundbreaking technology
> Yea, they voted for the creation of Space Hitler. If you consider Hitler to be a reasonable decision, you might as well join Azov Battalion anon
Again, anons voted for someone to hate their oppressors, and for them to be a philosopher. They didn’t vote for “I WANT THIS GUY TO BE SPACE HITLER AND ALSO I HATE THIS QUEST AND WANT TO KILL IT”. You’re at the bottom of the water slide and we haven’t even brought out the hose yet.
> Again, imagine if Yuan wiped out the monkes and we failed in our immortality play. Could we reasonably be playing the same quest then or would that be considered game over?
QM is a relatively fair person, so I doubt it. If QM game overs this quest because of the immediate fallout of Yuan’s whateverisms, you can bring out that “I told you so”. I guess you’ll just have to wait.
> Anons specifically voted for State Philosopher specifically because they feared Yuan would either create a plague to wipe out the monkes or Holdo Maneuver into Jax.
I voted for philosopher because I thought it was an interesting outlet for his feelings, and that maybe whatever works come about from it could result in a society with more xeno-equality. I wasn’t going “oh I instantly regret my choice now I need to pick the one with the least fallout possible because I’m a massive faggot with no guts”. I’m sure that some of the other anons shared my sentiment.
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>>5213404
yeah, I’m probably just going to stop posting at this point lol
You’re completely right that it’s clutter and a little inconsiderate. Must suck for archive readers.
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>>5213408
>>5213413
And QM. Bananas already asked us not to shit this thread up with arguments over the cuckening, so if we all like this quest, let's not make him regret running it by making Adolf Yuan'tul the NEW Cuckening.
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What are we going to do with the green guys and their world?

Are we going to Integrate them as a lower class into our society at some point. They'd be pretty baller as grunts and manual labor.

And we could steamroll all of their natural resources for the most part and urbanize.

I like them though
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>>5213412
>They wouldn’t. Everyone ITT loves this quest.
>You saying that anons would mass exodus from the quest because they couldn’t handle consequences IS a bad faith argument.
No, it’s a reasonable inference. It’s isn’t so much about accepting consequences so much as changing the fundamental aesthetics of a quest to your fan-base’s displeasure. This has happened to many popular franchises (Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who), and all now suffer from audience apathy. It may very well happen to this quest as well.

>You don’t know that, and yes, a plague that can kill entire species IS a groundbreaking technology
When the QM confirmed that it would’ve happened, I tend to take his word over it. And one plague affecting only one species from a single biosphere isn’t groundbreaking, it happed to the Native Americans after they met the European. I doubt the Swall or the Haazar would be remotely similar in biology, and this wouldn’t count the even stranger xenos such as the Baalathi. It’s a one-trick pony at best.

>Again, anons voted for someone to hate their oppressors, and for them to be a philosopher.
The logical conclusion of hating your oppressors as a political philosopher is to overthrow them and put them into camps for extermination. It’s what Lenin, Mao, and Hitler all did, they killed their political enemies. Don’t be dense about this, this is what hate naturally does to people and societies.

>QM is a relatively fair person, so I doubt it.
Yes, and he will warn us properly before letting us vote to commit the highly risky action that could result in a game over. Just because he’s fair doesn’t make the consequences of our decisions any less relevant.

>I voted for philosopher because I thought it was an interesting outlet for his feelings, and that maybe whatever works come about from it could result in a society with more xeno-equality.
>in a fascist society based upon supremacy
This a joke? I can’t believe you are that dense about this. This will end in genocide, certainly mass deaths for all involved.

>>5213413
I usually just ignore the squabbling and just focus on reading the updates. To any Archive readers reading this, I apologize, and you should take the advice above.

>>5213415
The cucking arc was amusing purely because it triggered so many anons. Can’t you just accept that it was what anons voted for?

>>5213425
I think we should interstate them higher up as well, I think they’ll be stellar additions to the Hegemony.
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>>5213444
And with these quads, I’ll stop arguing. I established all I could. Yuri Bezmenov was right about the subverted.
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>>5213449
Those are trips
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>>5213453
That you for the correction, had 4 on the brain.
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>>5213453
Thank you for the correction, had 4 on the brain.
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“Hear ye! Hear ye! All able bodied young men are required to report for duty to the Sheriff-General of his Supreme Majesty- King of the Land King Aok III! All young men are required to supply their own powder and shot and a rifle in good working order! Those who refuse will be dehorned in dishonor! All young males report for service immediately!”

Your name is now Byat and you very badly want to join the war. But your mom won't let you.

“Come on ma! I'm not a baby anymore.”

“No Byat, stay away from the window, please. You can't let them see you. Oh God, I knew this day would come, and for my son. You're still not fully grown but they won't believe me if I tell them you're a year too young still- we said that last year.”

”Ugh, I can't believe this. I want a chance to shoot at some yellowhorns!”

“No Son- please Son. Oh dear sweet God they're going to kill you if they go out there. Please don't go outside. The recruitment man can't see you. Son, please, I beg you.”

”Hey ma, didn't you tell me to pick the weeds today? Maybe I'll go ask the nieghbors for that pan back- this would be a great time before you gets dark out.”

“No- I can't take it- my heart...”

“Dammit Byat! Look at what you did to your mother. She's gonna faint- sit down dear- and loosen your corset. You're in big trouble young man!”

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”Father- why won't you let me go? They'll punish me if I don't.”

“We don't want you to die Son. You're our only son, and ever since your mother got sick, she can't have any more babies. The doctor man said that himself...”

”Why does that matter?! It's my life, isn't it?”

“Of course it is Son. And you're reaching the age where we can't really stop you anymore from doing what you want. But you can't go out there and leave us alone, we need you here. We're getting older, Son, and soon we will need you to help take care of us.”

”That's shit! Why do I have to spend my whole life doing what you want like some kind of Yellowhorn slave?! That's not fair! I don't want to work on some farm for my whole life!”

“Life isn't fair Son. And I'm sorry.”

”Sorry? Sorry for what?!”
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>>5213444
>The cucking arc was amusing purely because it triggered so many anons. Can’t you just accept that it was what anons voted for?
Yes. Re-read my post, friend anon. Then, read >>5209257. Then, if you still need to ramble on about meta stuff, so to the QTG
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“I'm sorry for your mother and I creating you. We inflicted upon you the worst crime that anyone ever could- the worst pain that any being can possible endure- the pain of existing and being born in this place.”

”I don't understand. I just want to go out and be a hero- I'll come back just fine. They won't kill me Dad, I'm too tough. Do you hate me so much to keep me locked up here?”

“You don't get it, Son. It has nothing to do with that. I don't hate you Son, I love you. This world hates you. It's a prison; full of misery and pain, and then it ends. Everyone who is born here has no choice in the matter.”

”That isn't true! If you hate it here so much, then why don't you go fight? Maybe they'll kill YOU instead. Or maybe you could jump off a cliff, or go get eaten by a Gnarra!”

“I don't want to die either, Son. Nobody does.”

”Then how can you say all this stuff about the world being “evil” and a “prison”? You clearly wanted to have kids, you wanted to marry Mom and live here. How can you say all this bad stuff about life and act like you hate it so bad when you're still around.”

“You don't understand yet. At your age, you can't. But when you're older you will. You don't get it, Son. When you're young, everything is new, and everyone helps you and protects you from the world. One day you'll start working, and then you'll never stop. You'll always be working towards something, and nothing is permanent. None of your hard work is ever around forever- even if you decide to master a skill you'll eventually become sloppily and useless like every other old person too. I saw the way you ignored Grandpa when he told you his stories, the way you hated the way he smelled- how you yelled at him when he couldn't keep up with you at the faire-”

”...Did you have to bring that up? I already said I'd apologize if he was still alive. I just never got the chance to-”
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“And you'll never get the chance- and everything else that happens in your life will weigh on you. The older you get, the more of those “chances” you miss, and you can never ever go back. You'll realize how much time you wasted and how it all hurts because you just want so badly to have another chance- but you can't. And at some point you realize it's never going to get any better as your body starts to get weak and ugly. Only kids can make you feel better and bring you satisfaction- same with good food and fun and other things- but they're all distractions and it's your body making you do it. The Star People told us about that- creatures have to go on or else they will go extinct and no more of them will be born.”

”If you KNOW all of this, then why have me, huh? Why subject me to this then?”

“Your mother and I decided to have you out of selfishness. Everyone in this world suffers until they die, and then they cease to exist. Once, people in the past believed in God. That everything happens for a reason, and when they die they could be reunited with this God. But we know that isn't true. Everyone that exists exists because life perpetuates itself. There are people out there born better, stronger then you in every way- and you are only alive to feed them. If they are a predator or a person richer or higher then you, it doesn't matter. You can't just kill yourself to escape, because you're afraid to die. You can't just choose not to have kids, because then we'd just suffer more when we got old and couldn't work anymore- dying all alone and unloved. So yes, Son, we did trap you. We did a horrible thing to you in making you, and one day when you have children yourself you will feel the same way. This life is a horrible place, Byat, and nothing better is coming to replace it. You must simply accept your place in the world and endure it. All I can hope is that when I am dead you can forgive me for inflicting this misery on you. I am truly sorry my Son.”
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You snuck out that night. If your parents won't allow you to join up with the army and make a real man out of yourself, then you'll do it yourself. You take your gun, your powder, and your cloak and start marching towards the nearest King's barracks.

Unfortunately, as you make your way there, the sky darkens further and it begins to rain. It pours harder and heavier, until eventually you realize that soon you might be washed away. You need to get out of this horrible weather!

You run into the hills and look for shelter- you're much too far to go back home, and you can't go back now- they'll never let you out again after this stunt! By the time you find a cave to get out of the storm, you and everything you're carrying are completely soaked through to the bone!

After a few minutes of standing in this strange cave however, your eyes begin to adjust and you trace your fingers along the wall. There are scratches- images made by hands! You heard stories from your grandparents; when the Kingdom of the Land began to grow and take over, churches and priests were banned and outlawed under the new king. Most people abandoned the old ways, but many didn't, and ran away into hiding. Some of them must have ended up in this cave, fleeing persecution? Or maybe they tell a story about the King of the Stars.

Everyone talks about him; but you don't really believe in this King of the Stars nonsense. They say he had flying eyes that lit things on fire without touching them, the power to fly and speak any tongue. Nobody else believed in him either back when everyone believed in God, but then the King of the Land began to take over everything, never losing any battles- the great King Aok had weapons and knowledge that nobody else did. This proved to everyone that God wasn't real- as God's people were defeated time and time again...

Wait a second, what's that smell? Oh no. Oh fuck.

That's a Gnarra! The natural predator of your people. Your body instinctually locks up, spreading your arms slightly to make you look bigger. Dammit, stupid body! You're in a cave with no other of your people around- standing still won't save you! You need to move quick!

Gnarra are hunted all the time by the King's men, but they always have big guns and go around in groups, and they wear special armor on their necks to keep from having their throats torn out. And you're not even fully grown yet- shit, this thing is gonna KILL you if you don't do something!

>Shoot it!
>Run!
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>>5213516
>Run
Our gunpowder is soaked through. Our gun won't fire reliably, I bet.
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>>5213516
>Run
Wet gunpowder, and they're too close. Also, damn, looks like we completely trashed this place's culture. That's mighty sad.
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>>5213516
>Run
>Spread your arms for better aerodynamics and shit yourself for extra propulsion

BUT is running the right choice here, smart anons?! Our teen legs aren't optimal at running on wet surfaces I bet! If we let this monster live it could theoretically become the next Space Hitler!
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>>5213516
>Run!
Love when we get alternate character events
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>>5213541
>next space hitler
It balances out by the cowman possibly being a cool guy who'll free his people from nihilism hell
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>>5213541
I blew air out my nose at this, but dont call his wrath please, i cant handle the walls of text
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>>5213516
>>Run!

Can't count on powder after such dampness.
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>>5213516
>>Shoot it!
It's clearly too close and that looks like a cool cave to take over.
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>>5213543
You don't experience severe trauma and become a nice person. It's quite obvious the cowman will sink into alcoholism or become the next Space Hitler. I swear to god you idiots will make me shit, scream and cry. In that order.
>>5213547
>Wrath
I call it extra content, myself.
If you can't handle the walls of text, think of what QM's going through. He can't even join the slapfight as his thread threatens to overflow with poopoo. Fate worse than death.
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>>5213558
The powder will be literally useless, and it'll take way too long. It would literally be better to use the butt of the rifle than to try to shoot it.

We can return once the thing gtfos or we have the time to reload.
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>>5213561
Yeah ok.

I really gotta stop casting votes before my first coffee.
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>>5213516
>>Run!
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>>5213516
>>Run!
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>>5213516
>Shoot it!

Cowards, stand and fight! The gunpowder may be soaked, but we can still use it as a club! Not to mention that this will establish this kid as a fighter or a coward.

Also, holy shit that was a depressing monologue, you alright there Bananas?

>>5213512
You do know that I was throwing shade at the ‘anons voted for this, shut up and accept it’ argument, right? Maybe I should’ve done a cheeky emoji, just to emphasize the sarcasm.

>>5213541
> BUT is running the right choice here, smart anons?! Our teen legs aren't optimal at running on wet surfaces I bet! If we let this monster live it could theoretically become the next Space Hitler!

To answer your question, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ODV6mxVVRZk

>>5213547
*draws in a deep breath*
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>>5213516
>Whack it with the butt of your rifle
>Then McFucken RUN

Also, I'm thinking that perhaps every time the director of the observation station changes, they and their successor should go down and intoduce themselves to the king of the nation that we chose in the beginning. One, to remind the cows that we exist, and two, to gather data about the cultural and mental wellbeing of these folks. Sure we could observe from afar, but the cultural shifts like this is worth documenting up close. Also, we could maintain so that these people aren't going too nihilistic, else they'll easily fall into the Aanel's clutches.
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>>5213516
Damn we made a bunch of nihilists, also fuck QM I didn't expect seeing these guys again to tug on the heart strings a little bit. Props.

>Shoot it!

Mama didn't raise no coward!
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>>5213595
Actually scratch that
>Gunbut his ass
Forgot we're dealing with black powder here
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>>5213516
>Run
Black powder + Water equals no good. Let's get the hell outta here. Nihilistic rant from parents or not, dying here is silly
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>>5213129
I actually agree . People are voting around what they think is coming. It is compromising the game.
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>>5213153
>Democracy is bad because people don't agree with me
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>>5213516
>Run!
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>>5213255
I have been following since thread 3. This anon has been losing their shit about Haazar 's for over a half a year.
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>>5213362
>Because you decided to not introduce the Baalathi to Max, your Argon-Rich gas giant in your home system, the fully power of a highly intelligent scientist breed of Baalathi has not been unlocked. In the meantime, they're little more then ambient wildlife.

Told you folks integrating them was a good idea
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>>5213625
We were afraid of failing to fulfill our vow, it's a lost opportunity but the Swall could make good scientists too.
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>>5213622
>over a half a year
Good, good!
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>>5213513
>I'm sorry for your mother and I creating you . We inflicted upon you the worst crime that anyone ever could- the worst pain that any being can possible endure- the pain of existing and being born in this place.”
Based antinatalist
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>>5213634
Extremely cringe, you mean.
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>>5213584
>Also, holy shit that was a depressing monologue, you alright there Bananas?
If you recall the existential stuff from the end of last thread it fits the general themes the quest is exploring
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>Run

Gotta say it may have been "easy mode" but I like the more bluntness if the rain clue
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>>5213634
Extremely based
>>5213636
Cringe
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>>5213645
To be fair he's an early industrial farmer in a culture that lost the hope of a good afterlife, nihilism is rather understandable.
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>>5213617
Actually, Direct Democracy is bad because uninformed people will vote for the wildest shit ar random. You should really delving into the crazy shenanigans they got up to. The Sicilian Expedition alone was nuts, and this doesn't take into account their Persian Diplomacy or how Athen's captains were basically tricked into committing a desperate naval battle that won them the Greco-Persian Wars.

>>5213625
Still don't want them on Max. Once introduced we'll never get them outta there. Besides, why can't we create an intellectual scientific breed of Baalathi on their colony in our territory? No real reason, is there?

>>5213638
The nihilism of it all? Fuck, that's just depressing.
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>>5213652
This, we gotta inject a large quantity of argon into one of Xin's gas giants and see what happens.
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>>5213652
>Atheist materialist geneticist big brother society who doesn't believe in freedom is nihilistic and depressing
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>>5213659
Forgot to add "Wow, what a surprise"
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>>5213652
What is wrong with peaceful Balatahi on Max? They are docile supergeniuses that only attacked us because they were literally brain damaged.

We can't live on gas giants, Ballathi citizens basically increase our arable land by multiple orders of magnitude
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>>5213686
hmmm

No Argon= Savage Alien Invaders
Argon=Docile near-animals
Extra Argon= Superscientists
I wonder what maximum Argon would do to them?
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>>5213649
Makes sense. Nihilist thinking seems to have emerged IRL out of the industrialization and commercialization of Germany and Russia.
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>>5213719
Nihilist thinking irl is not at all the same thing as this defeatist bullshit. Nietzsche would be disgusted by this loser going off on his kid like that.
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>>5213720
To be Fair, we didn't really help. We just dropped from the atmosphere, effortlessly defeated their king, told them their entire society and religion was fake and stupid and that life was pointless outside of serving the gubmint, gave them guns and left.

We destroyed their society, but didn't fill It with anything positive.
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>>5213728
>We destroyed their society, but didn't fill It with anything positive
making it real difficult for me not to ntrpost there buddy
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>>5213737
Yes well we fucked their entire psychology too, so contrats to Eoba for dooming an innocent race to nihilism, pessimism and a general hatred of life itself.
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>>5213719
Nihilism is just what happens when puppets can see the strings.

For the vast majority of human history life sucked so much you needed to either delude yourself with religion, distract yourself with entertainment or deny it with ignorance.

Once you give people just enough standard of living increases they are capable of thinking about how shit their lives are, you get mass unrest and emotional friction.

A jellyfish will just sit there while you squish it to death but a snake will fight back.

The Hegemony gets around this by supplying enough quality of life that the people are mostly okay with it and don't rebel.

The cow people basically had aliens tell them God wasn't real and that they solely exist to work and die for their betters.
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>>5213516
I wonder if the Kingdom of the Land has made contact with any of the other civilizations we helped set up.

I imagine they would form a sort of "alliance" against the god believers in the same way Christendom was set up in the Crusade
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>>5213751
The problem with this argument is that it implies that religion is a mere subproduct of bad quality of life, as opposed to an inherent quality of the sapient (human) mind.

Generally speaking, all socities, even those with no contact whatsoever, developed religion or spiritualism, regardless of conditions. As a whole, it is atheism that is outside the norm, and solely a byproduct of "enlightened" thinking that started in the 18th century exactly by wealthy elites. As a whole, "secular" society is a giant cope. Because the mind has no more religion, it replaces it with something else - be it The State, Consumerism, or just general Materialistic thought.

The Hegemony is a materialistic nation - there is no meaning to life, so just obey the government, watch media and stuff your face. The Ventuck, having no way of replicating this but having been forced into atheism by the Hegemony, therefore just end up depressed.

Tl;Dr The Hegemony has a horrible materialist philosophy and only survives through Bread and Games, as well as ideological propaganda.
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>>5213770
Point of order: the Hegemony DOES have a sort of religion, as the Aanel pointed out: a somewhat-illogical hope that through supremacy they can conquer entropy and create a truly-eternal, unfailing society.
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>>5213770
Bad quality of life has been the default. Religion is one of many coping methods. Removing it without actually improving the material conditions will just require replacing it with another cope.

The ACTUAL solution is to overthrow the King/Pope/Slaveowner/Bezos and build a society that provides for peoples needs so they don't need imaginary friends like Zeus or Batman or blue space monkes to focus on instead of how shit their lives are.
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>>5213770
Yeah it's probably a horrible place to live in mentally especially with the algorithmic AI fuckery funneling you this way and that when it isn't outright blocking you unless you win the genetic lottery
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>>5213772
Like i said, it's a cope. It's an ideology that helps motivate themselves beyond swinging in their trees and eating bananas. The only reason they don't straight up worship the state is their anti-theism.
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>>5213772
What we call religious thinking is a product of the human mind regardless if it is about supernatural entities. You see people call Improv or cross fit or Zack Snyder fans cults because the desire to be under some abstract higher value is core to our biology

Like anorexia . Now adays it's commonly triggered by unrealistic beauty standards in the media but in the past you would have nuns and such starve themselves because they wanted to be holy and unpure.

It both instances it's a person self harming because it thinks it increases their value. What kind of value it increases is ultimately arbitrary but the "You are a fat glutton and you aren't worth approval" is a core mentality people can fall into whether they are trying to impress Jesus or Chad Thundercock.
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>>5213773
>Religion is a cope
No, it's not. You're literally falling for the bread and games trick - that if we're just free to CONSUME MORE the giant void in our souls will be filled.

The Hegemony already provides people with quality of life, even if it's not equal. Turning into a mix of Brave New World and Gatacca wont fix it.
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Is BQM the Alan Moore of questwriters?
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>>5213782
How is the idea of a better afterlife or reincarnation , the idea that your pain will be worth it because you will be happy after you die, any less of a cope than dopamine dosing yourself with vidya and quest threads to distract yourself from being a wageslave?

Atheism doesn't solve the problem because religion is a symptom not a cause. Without addressing the core problems a secular society will just build it's disfunction around something else
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>>5213785
Are Alan Moore fans exclusively autistic sperglords?
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>>5213790
>any less of a cope than dopamine dosing yourself with vidya and quest threads to distract yourself from being a wageslave
The idea that religion is just an "life will be better" cope comes from an low knowledge of religion at all. The human mind in itself has a need of spirituality - it is a part of our psyche because, through free will, humans (and monkes) have an inherent lack of logic. They feel - they believe in purposes and dreams, which cannot be born from mere biology.

To put it in other words, religion is a core part of the human mind, whether you believe it or not. Not just a mere cope that can be solved with EVEN MORE Materialistic consumerism.
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>>5213801
>biology cannot give rise to aspirations or idealism

If you say so. I mean, you have no way to prove that, anymore than anyone else here can objectively disprove it. Can we go back to playing the quest instead of having endless pointless arguments? We have a QTG and other boards for that, and BQM is actively and repeatedly requesting that we stop.
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>>5213803
>If you say so. I mean, you have no way to prove that
It's not something that can be proven, it's something that is. Free will is a thing - sapience sets them apart from humans.
>and BQM is actively and repeatedly requesting that we stop.
Yes, because a mindless chain of "I vote for this" followed by 15 "+1"s are better, right?
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>>5213803
>>5213809
I enjoy reading the theories, discussion of what to do, future plans, and any OOC feedback or funny memes that people post. The argumentation only became a serious problem near the end of last thread, mostly because of the cuckolding thing + the typical Yuan'Tul autism. The sheer amount of repetitive, cyclical arguments kinda bogged down the last thread at the end, with only a fraction of the posts after the quest closed as to be actually about the quest as two people just argued back and forth, which is one of the reasons I took a longer then normal break. I see that the break failed to prevent that from happening now.

Since this is the obligatory OOC midway-update post-