The War with the Mitu Collective rages on. The Mitu have decided that it was enough and have finally deviated resources from their eternal Campaign against the Orks towards the fleet of Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S of Force World Lucius. Any day now the Black Stone Fortress however, which will assure victory to the Mechanicum if finished. Will it finish, what of the Orks, and what shall happen when first contact with the infant Imperium occur. ++The Rules++>Vote with Greentext, otherwise they probably won’t be accepted.>Write-ins can be accepted, and might even be used in the final without majority rule.Previous Threads:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
TalOS hated the Warp. That was something he held close to his heart with every inch the Mechanicum covered in this dreadful dimension. Especially now the tides of the Warp have started to become tenuous and occasionally the ship they were upon would take an impact. These did not stray them off their course but the Primarch felt they were trying to damndest to do just that. +With our retreat,+ TalOS began to speak the the bridge crew, +The Xenos will likely start to give chase. There is a high likelyhood that the Xenos have also laid a trap for us when we arrive at 3-87-3. If we can get contact, order all ships to prepare for combat the moment we enter the system.+ +Understood Arch Dominus.+ An Adept called out before going back to their duties. +Arch Dominus!+ A Magos called out as he sent TalOS a series of graphs and data sheets through a direct link, +The Datasmiths have finished the comprehension of the fleet’s data and have realized the concentration of Psychic power was not the planet but the asteroid belt.+ +So my hypothesis is confirmed?+ +There is a 87% chance of that my Lord.+ The Magos answered as he arrived before the command throne, +Shall we parcle this data so that all know what we avoided?+ +We shall, there is no reason to keep the higher functions away from the Magos of their respective ships.+ TalOS declared with a certainty, +It shall also sure up my new hypothesis. While I surely picked a random destination, the Xenos have proven that they are somehow predicting such random chance at least once.+ +I understand Arch Dominus! I shall distribute the data in the communication parcle.+ As those words were finished TalOS noticed the first package of information being sent into the Warp. Thanks to Noosphere technology they were able to send said messages into the warp, as sending messages through was the basis of said tech. If it arrived at the desired target though was definitely up to the Machine God’s power against the Warp’s Denizens. TalOS felt the weapons began to warm and prepare themselves. The power coursing through the circuits of the Onus Porbandi letting the Primarch know that they were ready. The time to fight was now.
Several tears in reality began to sprout all across the system. These were but the harbingers for the fleet of the Mechanicum slowly moving itself out of the Warp and into real space once again. +Raise the iron curtains and let us see our destination. Bask in the Glory that is the Machine God for we have ARRIVED!+ TalOS announced as the speakers blared the words across not only the Onus Probandi but the entire fleet. Within the second of arriving he felt as a series of probes and detections were sent out across the cosmos. This was standard practice as he wanted to know everything there was. TalOS felt himself curse as one of the Adepts called out, +Several enemy contacts discovered. Relaying their position now!+ TalOS simply took over the systems as he got a good look at the system. They had arrived between the second and third planet of the solar system. This position might have been okay if they were not on the run like they were but it was definitely not. All around the map quickly generated of the system there were several flags. These flags were ships that belonged to the enemy fleet and only failed to notice the Mechanicum thanks to the speed of mechanical processing. There were several ships stretched across the system which meant that they were casting a wide net to try and snare the ships coming haphazardly from the Warp. Clever but they were underestimating the precision of Mechanicum ships even at this range. TalOS allowed time to move just a few seconds and his horror was founded. Within three seconds of their arrival the enemy ships have began to move themselves towards the fleet that was exiting the Warp. There were ten ships per planet, with three planets within engagement range of them. That will mean that there will be twenty ships coming from the direction of the system’s sun and ten from outside the system. This meant, finally, that their previous tactic of shoot and retreat would not work. He would need to issue a new stratagem to get things going. >Try and break through the smaller force. >Hunker down and take out the largest targets>Try and find any purchase to keep distance.
>>5208391>Try and break through the smaller force.RAM RAM RAM RAM RAM.
>>5208391>Try and break through the smaller force.
>>5208391>Force allocation: First step is to find a planetary body to use as a shield, a planet without anti-orbital weapons is ideal as it will force them to come in at a determinable area.>Second step is to concentrate all the ships fire upon the smaller forces to chew through them swiftly.>Step three, as each ship drops out of the warp, have them regroup with the whole or on their own planetary body if they came in a large enough group. When we have two groups, we can catch anyone who dogpiles the first in a ranged pincer with the other group.Best plan I got so far.
>>5208391>Try and break through the smaller force.Prepare our largest vessels to ram. Our smaller vessels shall screen for them and exploit the openings they make to escape.
>>5208391>Try and break through the smaller force.>write-in1. We are not here to engage in a protacted conflict but to raid. The raid is over and the jig is up. We are achieving our goal of convincing the enemy to follow us and not pursue lucius.2. It then supposes that the enemy is no doubt also going to follow us from the previous point of ambush as well as follow us here3. We must ensure we remain at or beyond the Mandeville point and away from the gravity well of the planet while we charge up our warp drives for another flight. Perhaps if we are fortunate the enemy was expecting to hold us here, and have not prepared additional ambushes elsewhere. Never the less we should try to make good our withdrawal4. In order to achieve this we should consider the facts. The enemy has superior ranged firepower than us, but they are poorer in melee. Typically we have done hit and runs but this will not suffice5. Suggestion: divert all power away from the weapons to the shields and propulsion systems. Prepare boarders. Were going to try and crash through the thinnest point in the enemies net that leads to a suitable warp exit zone. When we get close, we will perform heavy board assaults to cripple the enemy ships focusing on shields, warp drives, and weapons. With those disabled, our weapons can then fire and disable the external engines and weapons and from there make good our flight to the next system leaving behind a number of the defenders fleet crippled. Concentrate our force into an effective spearhead to achieve this effect. We still hold the advantage in melee.
Part of me imagines an participative enemy with good warp exit capabilities will have predicted we intend to punch through a weaker point, and prepare to engaged us by dropping out of warp there."Make a golden path for your for", as the ancient Magi Dominus would say.I ponder how we might counter this possibility. Perhaps if we exploit the fact that space is 3 dimensional, rather than treating it as 2.
>>5209046I think you give them way too much credit. Not even the Web Way is capable of pinpoint arrival into a system. If you have a Navigator you likely arrive at the jump points, which is the reason certain planets can act as Fortress Worlds.
>>5209117I suppose so.Still, I simply imagine that while they can potentially track us if they have a good psyker and the simple fact they have astropathic communications and navigators, their range exceeds ours as does their general warp capability so in a straight up conventional chase they have a slight advantage.Which means we should try and think unconventionally
Hmmm, different idea guys. How do you feel about this.We are between the 2nd and 3rd planet of the system, each planet has 10 ships plus a wide net of "several" ships trying to contain us. 20 ships coming from sunward, 10 from out system and some others.Rather than trying to break through the smaller force (and still allow the others to fire at us) and also potentially put us in a position where the fleet following us can get to us easily what if we tried to use the gravity wells of the nearby planets, ram through ships in that direction, and then slingshot ourselves to the next nearest mandeville point to make good our warp out of here?It would take time and energy for the enemy ships to try and chase us by reversing their own momentums, plus we could use the planets themselves as a bit of cover.In the very least, putting the planets gravity well away from the direction of the place we came from means if an enemy fleet is chasing us and drops out of warp they have to drop out of warp on the mandeville points opposite where we are.>>5209117Is this image semi-accurate to what you've written or is there a better placement description?Would this idea work? Trying to slingshot via gravity wells and also putting them between us and where the enemy fleet may be following us?
>>5209186Damn I do like the idea of using the gravity to give us a boost, plus we have the processing power to get it done quick and precise! We'd have to get rid of any ships that get in our way... About 20?>Full speed ahead, do not slow down. Into the gravity well we go!
>>5209186You forget there is a thing known as an Intercept Course...
>>5209285Yes, he did forgot that! But I think we will enter the gravity well just at the right time, so we will have to fight a little less than those 30 ships for a little while as we accelerate.Sadly I can't bother to look for what is the acceleration rate of said maneuver..
>>5208391>Try and find any purchase to keep distance.This is kind of our strength isnt it?The Mitu are more used to fight orks and those often get close, meaning the Mitu have more experience with that kind of fighting style, so we should avoid it.I kind of make this sound like we should fight like Tau dont I?
>>5209425I think our strength should indeed be to try and destroy the enemy from range where possible. However the Mitu I think have learned not to fight the Orks at close. That is inefficient at best suicide at worst. Mitu ships have a lot of fire power and shields too, so their numerical superiority plays to their advantage in the dakka phase. I'd say the difference between us and the Tau is that when push comes to shove, we are still capable of close quarters fighting. We excel at range, but we still have the armor, the weight, and the manpower of the imperium and the acillians to perform in melee where they are options to us. The bayonet to our plasma guns, where the Tau have none.It's just that right now, we are are not fighting at our most ideal but with what we have. The ideal of our warfare I think should be one that any techpriest can agree with, technological and matériel superiority. To outproduce your foes, to make one or two or five ships for every one of his and for every dead servitor or tech thrall 10 more to replace them,.As one of our brother Perturabo's son so well put it:>"The greatest warrior of a Legion cannot shoot if his bolter is without ammunition. The deadliest super-heavy tank cannot crush the enemy beneath its tracks without oceans of fuel, and the heaviest artillery cannot pound fortifications without a constant supply of shells. The duty of an Iron Warrior is to win any war as quickly and efficiently as possible"Or as Akurduana of the Emperor's Children spoke about the Iron Hands, who also understand this principle:>"Superior armour. Superior firepower. Superior numbers. Sometimes I wonder how you Ironhands would cope with the odds stacked against you"
>>5209493You're thinking too Macro. Your Doctorine of combat is Range makes Gains. Use superiors range to pepper the enemy before they can get close. You only go into close range as the Xenos are at their most capable when at medium range so you decided that its best to be in close range to use your turrets. That's the issue I presented to you. With a pincer maneuver coming from both sides the standard 'keep them at range' is no longer valid.
Go towards the smaller force>>5208415>>5208417>>5208501>>5208767>>5208598Someone does not understand the post>>5208421Ultimately keep distance>>5209425
>>5208421>>5209186You know, I mocked these but here I'm using the ideas in the post. This is once again a reason why I never really look down upon write ups and theories unless they don't really relate to the situation. Doing these, even if not taking the full situation into consideration, means its material to use.
>>5209621https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist#/media/File:GravAssis.gifmmm gif. I am not sure if the mech ships would be faster relative to the other ships. Maybe the planets pull everything evenly...
>>5209659Well really its a change in direction using the planet as a sort of pivoting point. If we are trying to figure out by how much it turns we would need to know for how long the ship would potentially in contact with the planet and how fast they were traveling. Look, its a Primarch. Which the reasoning for the ideas are not sound your about to see what those ideas can bring.
>>5209663KANSAI DRIFTO????? IN SPACEAlso can we give our waifu an extra set of arms? https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/5162034 for no particular reason
TalOS looked at the situation and looked at it again. His mind was quickly running through the plans and ideas that he kept coming up with but ultimately he found them moot. Well, moot in the fact that they were not all going to make it out of this. TalOS scanned the ships that were present and noticed what he had been hoping for. He sent a ping towards the ship and the ping was quickly returned with an uplink to the Tech Priest he was trying to reach. +Arch Dominus, it seems the Xenos have grown crafty.+ Dux DOminus H3VST said as he demonstrated towards the display. +Something like this was bound to happen.+ TalOS declared as he gave a small rumble, +We are in enemy territory and have no place that we are for sure is secured. We have relied on randomness but the Xenos have found a way to plan around randomness.+ +A sorcery perhaps?+ The Dux Dominus asked as he sent a series of potentially marked rituals, +None of these show the capability of telling the future but they potentially eliminate randomness. Do you think they have potentially perfect these while on the frontlines?+ TalOS thought to himself for a moment before his mind reached back to a moment he did not want to remember, +These Xenos play with the Warp. Such a realm is but a mystical place where we can barely. Maybe these Xenos have found something like time manipulation using its tides.+ +Foresight…+ The Dux Dominus allowed that to settle for a moment. +I am sure that they do not have unlimited resources.+ TalOS declared as he gesture towards the ships, +Before we might have had a pitched battle but now we ultimately outnumber them. Thus I propose that we break out through their weakest point and give us enough time recover our Warp Drives for another exit.+ +I find your reasoning sound. We shall leave the manner of their mysterious foresight to the future and focus on the now.+ Declared the Dux Dominus, +I shall start plotting cordinates.+ +Do so and prepare boarding parties.+ TalOS declared as he looked towards the enemy, +As we are running straight towards them we might as well ram them.+ +Understood Arch Dominus.+
TalOS felt the Onus Probandi slowly move itself towards the third planet and engage on all thrusters. The force of the machines were grand in their making and with a few subtle calculations he was able to get those few extra units of acceleration. As they did this numerous other ships were popping out of the Warp around them. All of them were Mechanicum ships, which TalOS was thankful for. If they had already started dropping into the system it would have spelled the death of their fleet. That was not the case however so with every minute that went by the fleet was growing bigger and bigger. After what TalOS found to be three minutes the Xenos started sending an orderly series of fire against the ships. Several volts of plasma and warpflame crossed the void shields and soon crossed into the metal hulls of a Mechanicum ship. The ship after a half minute of intense firepower fell with an erupting in fire. TalOS watched this happened and looked towards the enemy ships that were going the same tactic he had done against them. That was a simple falling back and looking for firing solutions that allowed them the most time. There had to be something that could be done about that. And that something came into his mind as he noticed the readings from the newly discovered third planet. +I want gravitation readings done based on that planet.+TalOS declared as he began to realize the future in his mind.+Readings started.+ A Magos stated from the Sensory station. TalOS nodded to those words as he took the moment to allow his eyes to study the planet. They were weak from the numerous exposure to nullification but ultimately he started to grow something that he could use. +Readings sent.+ Announced the Magos as TalOS received the package of vital information. +Running calcualtions.+ TalOS announced as he let his mind be enveloped by the data. As another ship of his fell the Primarch realized what he needed out of the data. He ran his hypothesis through his Machine Spirits and they slowly began to support his thesis. He then placed it forward and sent the data package to his fellow for a moment’s review. There were no words on the return. All that was attached to the file was a digital signature of peer review from the Dux Dominus. Thus the scheme was put into effect.
>>5209668If you are going to post a girl with multiple arms for a techpriestess, you have to use mistral.Perfect Order is the best ending
Upon receiving the new coordinates the ships of the Mechanicum began to change their direction. While the change was moderately dramatic the fine tuned solution could only have been employed by the priests of the Mechanicum. The Mitu Collection surely realized the change in direction and began moving for interception. TalOS was sure they were predicting they were going to hide behind the planet to use it as a makeshift shield against their assault. That would surely have been TalOS’s own first thought. Normally when someone uses astral bodies to defend their ships it involves a certain decision. This decision was whether to flush out the enemy or let them fester behind their makeshift shielding. When it came down to it sieging stellar craft that were warp capable was something really stupid to do as once their manner of entering the Warp was allowed they could easily exit into it. Thus, TalOS forced them to make only one decision in trying to flush them out of his defence. This meant that the Mitu would not only mistaken this as a retreat but also have to get closer to the planet as it was the most optimal path to take. A total of seven Tartarus ships were lost as TalOS finally got a full view of the planet they were approaching. The place looked to be a frozen world being covered in a thick layer of white snow at the moment. It was a larger than average sized planet, which meant it had a greater than average gravitational pull. It was gradual over a minute, but once they began to turn he felt the full force of the planet. The planet, though thoughtless, was trying its damndest to tear apart the numerous ships that were now caught in its gravitational orbit. If they were just a few meters closer they likely would have been drawn into the gravity well and become a wreckage. They did not, and for a moment they traveled without a single bolt of plasma striking them. This backwater world acted as a shield against the incoming fleet that would have surely killed many more if they had attacked directly. Instead as the Mechanicum flowed over the planet the ships were getting closer. This meant that they were several minutes of movement of travel where the Mitu themselves were closing the gap and giving the Mechanicum no cost for such movement. TalOS allowed himself a breath. As they began to pass the planet’s single moon he knew what would happen. His blood and pumping and the desire for destruction was starting to erupt through it. This was an influence of Particep Semper surely, but he could not deny the feeling he got when a plan was coming together.
It felt that as soon as they hit the planet they were already around it. Before them was the ten ship fleet of the Mitu going head first towards them. The ships were foolishly moving towards the Mechanicum at full speed and surely they had noticed their error when the Mechanicum came rouding about the planet. It was too late for them. With the gravitational pull of the planet the fleet of over sixty ships in total started to round the planet and were being sent at max speed. It was only thanks to the gravitational that they made such such a sharp change and kept their speed. As stated before, the Mitu were not ready for the impact. The first ship to make contact with their ships was a Tartarus class ship. While such a ship would normally have barely made a dent against a cruiser the two ships impacted with a force that TalOS felt over the Noosphere network. The signs of immediate destruction and destructions of systems was enough for TalOS to confirm that he made the right plan. Of course that was not the only ship as many other Tartarus Class ships began slamming into the ten ships and battering them to the Warp. One of the ships were crimpled by the attacks and soon exploded in a fire of plasma and crystal as the Tartarus Class ship disengaged from the target. It was soon TalOS’s turn as the Onus Probandi directed towards what was likely the Flagship for the small fleet. It would be a direct his but even with such a tactically sound move they would need to finish the ship off with either gunfire or boarders. TalOS was about to order the borders to the station but then realized something. They were not going to stay in the system, they would be leaving. While it was the most efficient and likely destroy the remnants with little cost to the fleet, there will not be enough time to recover them. If they were lucky, after the war was over, they would be found. But the Machine God definitely did not have enough power to make such a thing happen. >Do not send the boarding parties>Send only those who agree to such a fate>They are Servants of the Machine God, they knew the risk.
>>5209676>Do not send the boarding parties
I should state, if its not obvious, the amount of life lost when sending boarding crews is less than if you simply shoot the ships. The difference is whether you willingly send both your sons and Skitarii to their death.
>>5209681In thay case I'm changing my vote to>Send only those who agree to such a fate>>5209678
>>5209674Ahem, you're part of the Mechanicum. The average amount of arms and legs are roughly 3 for both.
>>5209676>>Do not send the boarding partiesTalos does not see his people as numbers and that has been beneficial so far. Why change it.PLUS THE MITU HAVEN'T CAPTURED ANYONE YET!!!! DO NOT allow them to capture someone because then we are screwed
>>5209699Shit, the capture part is a very good point.I think I will wait for a bit more discussion so I don't keep jumping between votes.
>>5209702I mean, you are not holding the system so there are bound to be captured people on the ships that were destroyed.
We must remember that in choosing not to intentionally send our sons, we are also choosing to have more of our other sons die at random of greater number. I cannot imagine Talos would not also consider this. OOC we should consider ourselves lucky, for other legions suffer maladies of the mind that result in such things as the moritat.Ideally we'd send servitors and some more replaceable castellans. But seeing that we cannot.>>5209699A way to avoid this is to ensure those we send are rigged with enough explosives, both large ones carried by servitor and upon their bodies, and missions to deliver their payload and detonate. Ensuring that not even a single trace of them remains.This will prevent their capture and exploitation.I'm not yet decided. I will say if we choose to do sacrifice, we are not alone among all the primarchs. Even Sanguineous, Vulkan or Guilliman have examples and would choose to sacrifice a few if it serves the greater victory and spares the lives of many. I do think Talos would only pick volunteers, and do so at random for perhaps many of our sons would volunteer. It would not be considered shameful, but an example of honor, of duty fulfilled. Only in death does duty end. Their names would ring in the halls of Lucius.If we choose not to, if we place such high value on our sons that we would go against the holy algorithms of the equation of life, it would whether we like to or not, create a precedent that could one day be exploited. If we are reluctant to sacrifice our sons, even when need present and they be willing, our enemies will be able to exploit this.We will one day anyone command entire armies of mortals, servitors and skitarii to risk their lives. To be too thrifty with them may risk being overly foolish, like McLellan, not wanting to risk even minor sacrifices for the greater goal. Just my two bits, havent even decided myself but I kinda feel we should let the volunteers go if they so fervently desire to save their brothers lives.
>>5209704In this case if we cannot absolutely ensure that even with explosives we will avoid capture I vote>no, do not send our sonsWe cannot imagine captures will never happen, they will eventually one day. But every day we can avoid them is paramount. The risks are great if the enemy learn even some of our knowledge and capabilities.
What bothers me is that all of our sons would volunteer, maybe even fight for the honor of dying for their father and their brothers. And let's not even mention the skitarii "I can totally kill four enemies before being brutalized by the enemy psyker!"
>>5209717That's not even unique.That's every space marine who has a good relationship with their father.And even those who dont, if out of fear of shame. Like the sons of Pert and Angron.The Emperors Angels of death may think they know no fear, but all at heart share the same fear of failure. If we did have to we'd likely just pick among the volunteers by holy algorithim, sparing the officers of greater need by default.
>>5209676>Send only those who agree to such a fate
I do hope if we absolutely choose to send our sons we offer them such a massive amount of explosives and incendiary that their very atomic bonds will divide into the motive force.
>>5209676>Do not send the boarding partiesOur sons are important and not disposable!
So you all know, the value of a few hundred Acillians are not comparable to an entire ship. As it is obvious here you guys are placing the Acillians and Skitarii above all else, that many will recognize the decision. Good or bad.
>>5209862I guess I should adjust my numbers to like, thirty Acillians. Anything more than 50 Space Marines is actually pretty much worth a ship. Still people will take notice of the emotional possibility.
>>5209862>>5209863Is the risk of capture still unable to be lowered to null even with provisions of ample amounts of explosives? We know it's a one way trip, so give them a one way ticket in the form of a glorious explosion and wroth of machine god
>>5209876Explosives, it will probably empty your supplies. If you give the parameters your men will follow through with no question. Remember, you are essentially leading the Mechanical Tibetan Taliban of Space at the moment. They do not care if they are lost for the Priests have surely made sure their lives were worth the lose.
>>5209881I suppose the final question then is if the lost in explosives is worth the prevention of the capture of a single acillian. Releasing an acillian body or much worse an acillian themselves and giving the mitu hitherto ungained access to them could prove devastating in the long run.But having no explosives is also a risk to our continued fight.But then, even more so is ship losses. Better to lose explosives than ships or the security of the information of our acillians.Given the information I suppose I'll change my vote>Allow volunteers>Divvy out explosives, deadman switches, and self termination programs to ensure no acillian is captured alive for interrogation or dead for autopsy , and that skitarii will also not captured even if by psychic intervention. For the skitarii blowing up the brain should be sufficientWe'll also of course strive to blow up those ships who are boarded as we pass by them wherever appropriateIt must be seen that we adhere to the battle algorithms, and that logic must be obeyed, not irrational emotion. Our sons can feel pride knowing we have permitted their sacrifice to save many, than withheld them for no gain but only more grievous losses. Else they could despair at the death and destruction and ask 'we could have done this instead, willingly' and ask why we did not permit it. How could we justify that?
>>5209676>They are Servants of the Machine God, they knew the risk.
>>5210001>Divvy out explosives, deadman switches, and self termination programs to ensure no acillian is captured alive for interrogation or dead for autopsy , and that skitarii will also not captured even if by psychic intervention. For the skitarii blowing up the brain should be sufficientAdditional to vote. It's a war - your subordinates risk their lives through your actions or inactions. They knew the risk, seldom subordinates who see the start of war will see it's end. They're your currency, you must spend them well and in death does their duty end.
>>5209676>Dont send bordersFuck no, our space marines are not going to be wasted like that
It's not a waste if QM says more will die if nothing happens
>>5209676>Send only those who agree to such a fate>>5210005>Support
>>5210079Fine I change from >>5210076 to>Those who volunteer.And support >>5210005
Don't do it>>5209678>>5209851>>5210100Send Volunteers>>5210083>>5210001>>5209688>>5209890>>5210195>>5210088>>5210088I can feel the gears of everyone's brains trying to wrap around the situation, and honestly its heartening. Anyways, do check and make sure I counted everyone's votes right as we did have a few changes in the crowd.
>>5210641The likes of S4DD4M HUS31N will be remembered. Deus Mechanicus
>>5210657Our following is strong!
>>5210685For once the censored german version actually makes sense.
There were a lot of things TalOS had to weigh when it came down to it. He would send his sons and soldiers out to a guaranteed death if he allowed the boarding to happen. Many things had to be calculated as TalOS thought to himself. The chances of them becoming prisoners was high but then again it would be mitigated. Though in truth that did not really matter as ultimately there were going to be prisoners from the other destroyed ships that would be collected. No, what TalOS feared was sending his own sons to their deaths. It was as simple as that. He did not want them to become experiments or test subjects to the dreadful psyker. To be subject to the monsterous whim of creature’s whose full power and might came from the warp. Thus he hooked himself up to all coms units that belonged to those, Acillian and Skitarii, who were preped and ready to board. +My Sons and Soldiers of the Machine God.+ TalOS began as he received each of them, +What you are about to embark upon is a suicide mission. You will not be returning to the fleet for we won’t have the time to stage a recovery.+ TalOS allowed a moment for those words to sink in to all who could hear, +I give two parameters for the mission. First, I am not demanding you attend the mission. If you leave now I will make sure that nothing happens to you for that choice. Your life and potential knowledge are all great assets to the Machine God. Leave now if you desire.+ TalOS waited a moment but noted that not even the Tech Priests who would be boarding abandoned their position. So TalOS continued, +You are all to carry as much explosive as possible to the boarding. When your death is imminent, you are to self destruct. If you see your fellow fall who has not self destructed you are to detonate his munitions. We will only leave gore and visceral behind for the xenos to discover afterwards. Do so now, you have two minutes.+ Upon those words TalOS felt affirmations and directions taken while everyone quickly started to move themselves across the complexe. Those that TalOS quickly alerted to the duty moved any munitions to the boarding troops to minimize the time they were here. As they did so, TalOS watched as the enemy ship drew within only a few kilometers from him. It was then that they had an impact.
The force of the Onus Probandi was enough to nearly shatter the lone cruiser that they attacked. The ship had been battered and crawled for numerous occasions and this here was the que de gra of the attacks. It was not the only one, but it meant that there was one less ship within the fleet. Quickly after the destruction of the enemy ship TalOS felt the munitions of the Onus Probandi unload into the nearby ships with a full broadside. While a single broadside would not have crimpled the ships TalOS had closely calculated both the locations of the shots and the amount of damage that the ships have already gotten. It was enough to disable another of their ships. With the impact done TalOS moved his attention to the boarding teams. With a simple thought TalOS gave them the go ahead. Upon his singular command they launched boarding torpedos at not only the nearest ships, but all the ships that were still standing within the fleet that will still be standing. It was a simple calc. Since the Onus Probandi was not the only Cruiser to have ram one of its Xenos counter parts. Said Xenos ship was still alive after the first, but it did not survive the second ramming by another of the ships. With the other cruisers in the area they too set off their boarding torpedos. Much to the enemy’s terror they were now fighting off a fully armed and suicidal group that knew to make the most of their lives now. TalOS wanted to monitor the situation but he could not. The ships that were either destroyed or boarded were now minor in comparison to the incoming fleet of twenty ships that were approaching them. Distance was there though and TalOS had the Tartarus class ships align themselves and begin to fire into the enemy with accuracy and precision. The shots carried themselves through space and slammed into a single ship of the fleet with precision. It was a devistating attack that spelled the end of that single ship and sent it into the oblivion of space. With the cover of gun fire the remainder of the Mechanicum fleet finally routed themselves with the Onus Probandi. TalOS commanded each and every vessel to send its gunfire into the ships in an attempt to demonstrate that the Mechanicum fleet meant business. They did not stop, and it was quickly found out why.
+Psi Scanners have picked up new signals.+ Declared a Magos as they sent the new readings to TalOS, +A new fleet is coming into the system!+ To TalOS’s horror numerous portals began to open up across the space the Xenos held. Slowly ships began to emerge from what was nearly a hundred portals that soon beckoned nearly a hundred ships. TalOS quickly figured it out. This was the fleet that was meant to ambush the Mechanicum from the system before. This was a battle they could not win. +If we were to employ measures of retreat will we be safe to engage in Warp Travel?+ There was a moment’s chatter among the noosphere but the result did come from their most esteemed Magos, +We will be able to retreat out of the enemy’s range and engage the warp drives. We will lose ships, but far less than if we engage the enemy.+ +Then we will start the retreat.+ TalOS declared as he looked towards the ships that had his sons and soldiers upon them, +Your sacrifice was admirable. I shall not forget any of your names.+ And with that the fleet began to retreat by using the planet as a shield. The enemy might be in range soon but the with the planetary body in the way they would be able to leave without another shot fired against them. As the Warp Drives began to warm themselves TalOS got a signal. The Primarch noticed the source and quickly linked, +Decarii D4M! Why have you contacted me!?+ +They have the ability to read the future!+ Declared the Acillian straight out, +Here is the information.+ TalOS felt a package arrive into his system and the Primarch realized, +Why did you…+ +As I am to die, the risk of contaminating the ranks of the Acillian are minimal. I am sorry to have not asked your permission Father.+ The Acillian said as TalOS noticed a change in the Acillian’s vitals, +Good bye.+ The last thing TalOS received was the confirmation of his son’s detonation. The mission and lives came first, and TalOS studied the records with the realization that the enemy were indeed using choirs to predict their movement. There were things they could do, but TalOS liked none of them. He did however reach over and snared the Blackstone so that his next thought could not be seen by the Warp. >Scramble the fleet and set everyone’s final destination to Lucius. With so many locations/predictions they will be overwhelmed. >Using null tech, try and mask a majority of the fleet while letting the rest lead the enemy on a wild goose chase. >They are stronger, together>Write insYour sons deaths were not in vain.
>>5210709>Scramble the fleet and set everyone’s final destination to Lucius. With so many locations/predictions they will be overwhelmed.
>>5210714Actually, if only one ship gets captured or they find the black box of the order, they will find the way to Lucius with that vote.I'm changing to>Using null tech, try and mask a majority of the fleet while letting the rest lead the enemy on a wild goose chase.
>>5210709what the hell does this mean.They are stronger, together
>>5210734The Xenos will look into the future and find out your next destination, no matter what kind of random occurrence you try to pull.
>>5210742so then what does that option do.the way you're putting it sounds like a surrender option.
>>5210744I guess I wrote it wrong. Stay as a large fleet and try to ram through any form of resistance that the enemy could bring to bare.
>>5210747In that case. I vote for.>Using null tech, try and mask a majority of the fleet while letting the rest lead the enemy on a wild goose chase.
>>5210718You know, maybe we should take one for the team and stop using the necklace when we trick the Xenos, that way our presence is more noticible while the masked fleet is less.
>>5210709>>Using null tech, try and mask a majority of the fleet while letting the rest lead the enemy on a wild goose chase. GODDAMN IT, WE HAVE TO SACRIFICE EVEN MORE OF OUR BRETHREN AS A DIVERSION.How tf are we defending against all this in time...
>>5210709>Write insAhem. This is a mighty fleet indeed. Indeed, such are the enemies strategy that is to amass such overwhelming force that we would have done in their shoes. It would take an equally mighty force to challenge them and their psychic prowess. Such capability is not in our hands.But that doesn't mean it isn't out there. Take the fleet on a cut through Ork Space, it shouldn't be hard to find, the WAAAGH should read on our maps and psy scanners like a big giant green furnace. We know from history with the Orks that they seem to have some sort of large static background effect upon the warp. The enemy fleet will be forced either to follow us into Ork space, or disengage. But I believe the enemy admiral proud and dogged enough that he will follow us. We will lure them into the largest concentration of Ork roks and ships we can find, where the Orks will want to target the greater fight: the Mitu fleet. In Ork Space, we can then more succesfully try to fleet back to Lucius, where their ability to psychically predict our movements will be thwarted by the background WAAAGH static. We can then activate the null tech, further hiding us from both the Mitu and also the Ork Gitfinders and Status Reporta's. We will hide away, lost into the psychic storm of the Orks as they howl and rage in delight at the gift of a massive fleet we have given to them.Because if there's any place and any people prone to unpredictability, its the foul Greenskins. We will use one enemy to destroy and throw off another!and if QM is so willing, we might even give our future Ork Mekboss rival a gift of a good fight and some fresh materials.
>>5210709>Using null tech, try and mask a majority of the fleet while letting the rest lead the enemy on a wild goose chase.
>>5210747Hey QM could this even work or are we too far from orc space (very likely especially with our shorter warp range).
>>5210813You'd probably start running into Orks before hitting offical 'Ork Space' since the Orks are infact leaking out.
>>5210808Oh god that sounds absolutely crazy enough to work>supporting this
then I'll change from this >>5210758to >>5210808
Okay, based and Risky as fuck. I wanted to change my vote to this BUT!I do fear that we will have to fend off the ork attacks until the mitu get there, IF THEY get there. Big if, because if they don't, what do we do with all this orks against us?
>>5210821well, the orks don't have future sight so we can just scatter and head back to Lucius.
>>5210821We Parley and tell them there's an even bigger and better fight just right behind us. If that fails, we activate our Null Field generators and convert our void shields to a wavelength of the color purple. Which has been known to cause some Ork gitfinda's to have difficulties for as yet unknown reasons
>>5210823do we know about the purple ork thing?
>>5210825I mean, maybe? The only thing is that Ork colors only affect Orks for the most part.
>>5210825Well in that particular spoiler I'm just jesting. I do think Mezoa and Dutonis would have had some on and off historical battles with the occasional Ork raiders thoughOr is it really a jest and not true? Only QM would know for sure
>>5210830Everyone has fought Orks. Everyone!
>>5210831Even Orks! Specially Orks!
>>5210829But QM!Adeptus Mechanicus variants of standard Imperial technology are typically more efficient and effective. More of its automated systems are active, reloading mechanisms in place rather than 10,000 human slaves to load a shell for example, and the machine spirits are better attended to and maintained. 1 for 1, an Admech vehicle or ship runs in a superior manner to its standard Imperial counterpart. This also extends to things such as ship engines and propulsions. This even extends to our infantry, particularly that many of them have eschewed their biological training for bionic limbs and mechanical forms able to march further, run faster, without tiring.The vast majority of Admech infantry, vehicles and ships are red.Ergo, it can be statically be shown that DA RED ONES GO FASTAH. EVEN FOR DA 'UMIES.
>>5210834I got one answer for you. White Scars
Rolled 96 (1d100)>>5210838counter Lucky blue bastards.
>>5210841Counter-CounterThe Sneakiest gits in the land:
>>5210848You don't disprove my point.
>>5210709>>5210808>SupportThat just might be crazy enough to work!
>>5210758In support this.
>>5210808>+1 Supporting this
>>5210808Just curious, are you attempting to accomplish this as one big fleet or employ one of the other solutions?
>>5210709>>5210808>supporting thisIf I remember correctly, we where equipped for encountering Orks anyway, when we left Lucius.
>>5211473We should arrive there as one big fleet, and then when we are as close as to inside the Ork WAAGH field or nearby activate some null field for an effect to shrink our presence against theres. But as to answer your question, I don't think I can speak for all of us anons. I will instead at least try to analyze the different options and consider what I think Tal0s would do.>Scramble the fleet and set everyone’s final destination to Lucius. With so many locations/predictions they will be overwhelmed.Risk:High, for ourselves and our fleet. The enemy may scatter and demolish our ships, and surround ourselves. There is also the risk of many of them being lost to the warp. We already lost one Ark Ship that way, how much more our fleet?Cons: We have little to no control over overall defensive strategy from there, and can only hope that most ships make back. We lose all cohesion.>Using null tech, try and mask a majority of the fleet while letting the rest lead the enemy on a wild goose chase.Risk: Our personal risk is massive, if we make ourselves the bait (which we should). But it gives our fleet a better chance of survival and making it to Lucius intact.Cons: Again, lack of control, but this is somewhat hopefully mitigated by having our other larger fleet be stronger together as they retreat to Lucius while we make our own more daring escape. I don't think anyone else acting as the bait will work, given we have the psychic Sight.>They are stronger, togetherThis is the least risky option for us, but of course, the least likely to succeed if our goal is to throw the enemy off a course to Lucius. The Orks in general are there to hopefully mitigate that risk, at least, by disrupting their future sight. But this is no guarantee.---The middle option seems results in a better chance of our fleet survival, and allows us to draw the enemy away from Lucius. It is however, the highest personal risk option. One that I don't think Talos would be keen on taking. The only upshot is maybe we can try to personally boost our engines given we are no longer focused on fighting, but running the heck away. For Talos, who considers his life greatly, I would say he would consider more the third. But if he happens to be feeling plucky, the 2nd is the logical action.In this situation, I would consult the Holy Algorithims of success and potentially his aspect as the Randomized Numeral God.If I absolutely had to choose, I'd just stick the whole fleet together and hope the Ork WAAAGH field is enough.
Null Tech>>5210714>>5210795>>5210811Use the Orks!>>5210808>>5210815>>5210927>>5211229>>5211484>>5211491>>5210817
>>5211669ork it is...
As the Blackstone settled upon his chest TalOS began to think and plan. His mind reached for the numerous details that somehow could lead to his victory against the Xenos. Being able to see into the future was something that was being thrown around. But were there ways to really counter such a technique besides scrambling or shrouding your presence? It was at this moment that TalOS felt himself realize something, +Magos N4VI, How close are we to the Ork held space?+ The Magos thought to himself before gathering numerous pieces of information that was about the systems of the Onus Probandi. TalOS could feel the man trying to process the information that so many would have faltered to. +We are five jumps from Ork held space. Based on previous predictions we will start making contact with them in three jumps.+ +Sensory, are we able to pick up the possible energies of the Orks? From my understanding there was a theory that they were psychic beings.+ +Background activity has been a constant finding Arch Dominus.+ Answered the Magos, +It has been growing stronger and stronger these last few weeks.+ TalOS allowed himself a moment of calm thought as he processed the possible fate. The idea he had come up with was a wild one. One that was so insane that he was sure the Xenos would be driven insane from his train of thought. With a thought he linked up with the Dux Dominus, +H3VST, I have a proposal that I shall seek your support for. There is a 23% chance that we are ostracized and stripped of our rank if we follow through with it.+ +Arch Dominus…+ The surprised words of the Dux Dominus rang in TalOS’s ears, +If it can save the fleet I will happily take the burden with you.+ +I propose that we steer the fleet in a hot chase to the region of confirmed Ork infestation and use the Orks to clean the Xenos off of us.+ TalOS proposed. It was a few seconds at first, and then a full minute of silence. Every second here was vital and the Dux Dominus surely knew that. He however needed to think long and hard about the words. Since he was taking his time TalOS sent him a quickly made report that was sure to open his eyes. After seventy three seconds the Dux Dominus spoke, +By the Machine God. If we fail in this I will personally see you turned into a scrap heap before throwing myself into a compactor.+ TalOS simply smiled at those words.
To say that the scheme went well with the crew was a lie. Every single person within the crew seemed to have stopped for several cycles as they realized what exactly TalOS instructed them to fully plan out. They were however the easier ones as TalOS knew the others would be harder. So he did not even bother with formality. +Under my authority as Arch Dominus I hereby declare the activation of Protocol 1.+ TalOS declared as he invoked character override, +I am now issuing travel plans for the coming trip. Failure to follow my commands will result in termination.+ TalOS could just feel the panic and horror that went through the ships as they all received the data parcel. It was a scheme that none with an ounce of standard logic would have thought off the bat and many would have called TalOS out for it and have him tried. That was the magic of Protocol 1. In times of peril the highest ranking member of the Mechanicus has ultimate authority. The issues with that decision is that if invoked a trial date is immediately ruled out after the time of terror is over. TalOS will need to answer for each and every one of his decisions from here onwards. He will accept any punishment if it meant that he could save his fleet and by extension Lucius. +Coordinates finalized and travel plan ready to implement.+ +Good.+ TalOS said as he looked directly into the void, +Have we received correspondence from our sister craft?+ There was a few seconds before the words were spoken, +We have received their packages and all are following the plan.+ TalOS took in a breath as he began, +Activate the alerts to alert the crew! Hold everything down that you hold dear! Upon this moment we traverse from the realm of our Lord and to the Realm of Monsters!+ Upon those commands the entire room went red with alerts. The entire bridge staff bolted themselves into place as the Ritual of Entrance was given. Just like it had so many times before +Bring the Energy Generation to Max and disengage the safeties. Direct all power to the blessed Warp Drive, for we set off into Damnation!+ TalOS declared in a commanding voice that rang through the entire space ship, +Awaken her with all this might, awaken the Divine Sunderer! Pray to the Machine God for our souls as she awakens!+
The entire ship began to vibrate before the devilish feeling of the warp barely brushed TalOS’s mind, +Secure the Iron Curtains and wait, for we are now in the realm of thoughts and monsters.+Upon those words the curtains fell and the Warp Drive screamed. A hole in reality was torn that allowed the Mechanicum to enter the Warp. It was only thanks to the presence of the Blackstone that TalOS did not feel the full might of the realm and instead smiled at the result. The bridge was silent after they entered the Warp. While many were machine they realized the true terror of what they had just avoided and were about the face. Some might even have considered throwing themselves in the Warp if not for their reasoning matrices applying. TalOS wondered if he now held the ire of every Tech Priest in the entire fleet for making that decision. None of them could do anything about it though as TalOS had invoked Protocol 1. Only the Fabricator General could deny him this ability and the man was not here at the moment. Not even those who represent the Arch Magi at home were powerful enough to deny the Warlord his right to complete dominion. +We should probably expect some resistance from the Xenos when we exit the jump, as well as missing ships.+ TalOS said outright as he thought about the situation, +The Xenos know where we are going and will likely try their damndest to prevent our arrival to the Greenskin fleet. Thus make sure the weapons are prepared to fire the moment we exit the Warp.+ +Understood, Arch Dominus.+ Answered an Adept. While it was monotoned, TalOS felt her entire panic and malous in those words. TalOS will present his solution but at this point he wondered if his fellows will even accept the new information. There were plenty of other things he needed to place his attention to, but the simple Moral of his commanding structure was surely on the highest priority. TalOS shook his head in thought, maybe instead he should place his mind towards making sure as many people as possible survive. >Try and placate any accusations of insanity. >Focus on maximizing the potential of Warp Travel>Make sure the guns are at their best, so that they can break through any fleet before them.
>>5211706>Make sure the guns are at their best, so that they can break through any fleet before them.
>>5211706>Focus on maximizing the potential of Warp TravelNot our strong suit, but given the scenario the need is great. We will likely more appeal to the Warp Generatoria, than fiddle around with psychic phenomena. Though their craft is dark, machine spirits they are still
>>5211706>Focus on maximizing the potential of Warp Travelwe don't have to deal with their bitching if it works and if it doesn't we will be dead.
>>5211706>Focus on maximizing the potential of Warp TravelThe guns should be fine, and we can assuage what our crew thinks after we try and not dieWe need to be fast to make sure we don't get caught on a bad jump, or in the event that the Orks see two groups of enemies and wants to fight both of us. We would basically be caught in a pincer of our own design then.
>>5211706>Focus on maximizing the potential of Warp Travel
>>5211706>Focus on maximizing the potential of Warp TravelThe eventual trial will likely be done by the fabricator general himself, we should be able to convince him that what we are doing is fine, for now let's focus on staying alive.
Anyone up for a little personality quirk/trait for Talos? Perhaps we could consider what type of musical instrument he enjoys. Odd timing I know, but hey not like we're stuck traversing the warp.>Other Fluff/Side ItemAs Talos diligently spends and calculates every millisecond towards increasing the fleets speed and cohesion through the warp, coaxing out every extra ounce of effort from the terrible fury of the machine spirits of the Warp Drives while also propping up the stalwart and stoic machine spirits of the Gellar fields in their endless battle to keep the realm of monsters away, now and again even Talos must find some reprieveUpon the Onus Probandi's Chapel Cathedrum, past the pews and altar of devotion, in the brief moments of rest and reprieve he can spare, he takes to to learning a musical instrument. A mortal man might take a lifetime to become a master, an acillian years, but to Talos it was a matter of sparing the occasional sessions to practice his fingers and mechadendric tendrils what he could download via noosphere on musical theory. Music, as all things, was a gift and expression of the Machine God. Music and song were applications of the blessed arithmetic of harmonics and frequencies, to create from a myriad of disorderous tunes a thing of order.And all the music instruments of mankind, this was his favorite. The myriad of keys, buttons, pedals and dials, the intricate workings of machinery to produce sound from the varying frequencies of gaseous vibration, the Organ had a machine spirit of its own, meek and humble when compared to that of a war engine or a ship, but when one played its spirit sung with a cry of enthusiasm as loud as any other.Before he begins, he considers efforts and those of the ship. The vessel was worthy of praise, for time and again it had saved his life, that of Uzi, and his sons and his crew. Using the sacred mathematical composures of the ancients, he composes music, one that encapsules and praises the brave plight of the ship's machine spirit, as it flies its way through the hellish realm of the warp. How it applies the sacred science to propel it with haste through the blasphemy of unreality, seeking the paths of least resistance and navigating the roiling currents. Not so different from the legends and tales of such ships of Terra's oceans. Perhaps, he wondered, the spirits of the Onus Probandi or the Warp Drive might hear his song, as it bravely navigates through the warp with haste. No psyker nor sorcerer was he, to conjure forth spells to guide through the warp as the aliens did, but he understood that even Machine Spirits could be made to hear the music of praise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBAsLLuaL5c
>>5211813The synth is the only choice, since it's a techy piano. Well, not really, but it's close enough.Also if you add some tubular bells and horns, you can make a bootleg version of the mechanicus soundtrack, and all of them are bangers.
>>5211853100% agreed.And he'd be a fan of the Moog. The oldest and thus most sacred of all the synthesizers. https://youtu.be/5JhMMAJGQJU?t=35
>>5211853>>5211879I can totally see Talos being into synth music>+1
>>5211706>>Focus on maximizing the potential of Warp Travelif we can cut the jump numbers from 5 to 4 that is a huge improvement
>>5211706>Focus on maximizing the potential of Warp TravelGodspeed
Wait aren't we stuck with the current short range warp travel speed because we got no navigators and our warp drives aren't the old STC shit whose range doesn't suck?
>>5212326YeahI gather we are going to try to either convince the Warp Engines to be a bit faster, and/or try to make the emergency jump navigational systems a bit smarter, or something like that.
>>5211706>Focus on maximizing the potential of Warp Travel>>5211853>>5211879I support Daft Punk Primarch
>>5211813Is this just an excuse to have the Mechanicus Game Music be canon?
>>5212403I don't know about his post, but mine definatly was.Also a joke about Daft Punk being robots or something.
>>5212403That's definitely a part of it.I just think that every Primarch has some personal quirks. Leeman Russ likes to feast and bellow a song, Perturabo designs architecture, Guilliman supported the fine arts on his planet, and Sanguineous wanted his sons to learn them too. Talos? Well, what instrument is better for the crazy tech primarch than a massive pipe/synth organ.Also because maybe one day I'd like for us to have an organ style missile launcher on one of our vehicles, so that we can sing praises to the Machine God. And because if we're going to challenge Lorgar to a battle of religions we better have some good music to back us up.And most of all, we know from Devotional Bells on Shrine Titans and the Sororitas that holy music actually works to repulse the wicked (and of course, conversely, Fulgrim will show that wicked music can also empower the minions of Slaanesh). It would be very cool to have tunes that drive away the daemons, while simultaneously inspiring our legion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asr6_eNCuoU
>>5212403That's a good enough reason for me. Organ+synth music is pretty fitting for a mad scientist like Talos desu
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Keep his people safe. It was that thought of trying his damndest to make sure that as many of his people survive that kept TalOS upon the Command Throne. Warp Travel could take anything from days to a week of travel and during this time TalOS would have taken for himself was instead placed into the operations of the ship. Knowing his goal it was obvious that TalOS needed to devote himself to their journey through the Warp. It is commonly known, much to TalOS’s enforcement, that the Warp is a dangerous place where anything and anyone can be lost to its tides. So TalOS focused on making sure that did not happen. There were small things that the Primarch devoted himself doing. The first and most primary was making sure that the Gellar Field did not flicker. This was prevented with a careful adjustment to the rhythm of machinery and keeping a live monitoring of it. There were times where they would hit something akin to a barrier or blockage in the Warp and it caused the Gellar Field to shutter. It was learning what caused these that TalOS was able to minimize the cost of life they could have caused. The next was the propulsion system and navigation. When it came down to it the trip through the Warp was a pre-chartered affair where you would need to predict proper routes and rely on the Machine Spirits to navigate away from what is not safe. There was a way to imporve this, TalOS realized, with the liberal use of the Psi-Scanners. With the Gellar Field held at a certain frequency he was able to push these devices towards scanning the ‘local area’ of the Warp. TalOS found the thought of using words such a ‘Local Area’ was immensely subjective as the Warp would keep changing and forming against his reasoning. The Warp was alive and actively worked against him. TalOS knew this well and was not a fool about it. So instead of working with it TalOS decided to fight against it. Whenever he neared a large force of Psi-Energy TalOS would cause the Gellar Field to flare against it and destroy the presence of the obstacle. This surely caused something of trouble in the Overworld but TalOS did not care for it. With every burst TalOS noticed something. He noticed something that no Magos or Machine Spirit would have noticed through the scanners. A constant in the chaos.
TalOS only noticed it when he started to fight the Warp. An battle of logic against the malous reality caused the constant background radiation of something poke out. It did not flicker and it did not shutter. It waned like the rest of the warp but instead of collapsing back onto the ship it always grew back at a consistent rate. That did not make sense. TalOS was in the Warp, a realm where nonsense and irregularity was commonplace. It should be obvious that the mysterious constant radiation that could be recognized as a source of order demonstrated that in the realm of insanity, it was logic that became the outlier. What exactly was it? Many of TalOS’s order would have claimed it to be the purview of the Machine God but TalOS would deny it. After all the Machine God was a material being not one that dabbled in the realm of the mystical. It was someone or something else. As TalOS wondered this his systems gave him an alert and the Primarch left the purview of the Scanner Systems to his bridge. Everyone continued their work to make sure the ship did not suffer any problems in transit and for that TalOS was thankful for. The rituals began and ended a few minutes after that. They breached into reality with a brutality that caused the entirety of existence to hurt. They were there though, and that mean they have survived the first transit.+Status.+ TalOS declared as he looked over the region himself. +There is nothing but void here.+ Answered a Magos, +Friendly ships arriving.+ One after another the ships of the Mechanicum arrived in system. TalOS gazed upon the ships that arrived into the system and did not like what he saw. Yes indeed there were a variety of ships that arrived into the system a vast majority of them seemed to be damaged in some way. The bridge was silent for a few moments until the logistics Magos spoke, +Arch Dominus, we have lost two of our ships in transit due to emergency tranmission.+ TalOS shook his head at those words but he accepted it. After all, if they did not fleet when they did it would have been far more than if they challenged the enemy. +Move us to the nearest jump point. Hopefully we have forced the enemy to take caution and are thus slower in transition.+ Upon that command the ships began to move.
They moved through the system with all the speed and haste they could muster. Of course taking their time meant that there was a likelyhood that the enemy would be right upon them but TalOS did not worry about that. They already knew where he was going. +Arch Dominus.+ Announced the Scanners Magos with a small bit of alarm, +We are seeing signals coming from the other side of the jump sight!+ TalOS felt a moment of confusion wash over him as he looked towards the display. Far across space it appeared. It would have been seen as tiny to the human eye but to TalOS using the sensory equipment of the Onus Probandi it was far more. It looked like a giant scrap heap. And after that one arrived, several other sensors went off. +Arch Dominus, a fleet is incoming around that ship.+ +Orks? Why are they all the way over here!?+ TalOS sounded his confusion, +They should be just battering the Mitu’s worlds! Something we have not predicted has occurred.+ There was a silence upon the bridge as TalOS felt a ping of them arriving in position. If they jumped now there would be little problem but confusion was still racking his mind. He took a moment to glance into their coordinates and tried to determine where they were relative to the universe. A moment’s confusion his his mind, +They are traveling in the direction of Lucius.+ The crew was silent for a moment as TalOS gave the declaration of intent for the Xenos. Judging by the maps they were making a beeline for the location if you were to draw a line from this location to the Ork Controlled space and then extend it. None dared to speak up about it as the knowledge entered their minds. But to TalOS it made no sense why they were making their way there! Did Orks have that kind of logic? Well, they were obviously making some sort of odd approach towards the planet which did not fit any previous occurrences that the Xenos displayed beforehand. It did mean, however, that their fleet was now arriving in the system. >Try and lure both Xenos into one another to finish the scheme. >Attack the Orks and attempt to eat a few of them to realize what the fuck is going on. >Head for Lucius, for the WAAAGH is on its way.
>>5213105>Try and lure both Xenos into one another to finish the scheme.it will weaken both and give us more time to head back to Lucius and for them to prepare.also, our Null stone fortress is going to fuck the works up.
>>5213105>Try and lure both Xenos into one another to finish the scheme.We are going to be under scrutinity because of the plan anyway, so might as well complete it.Just hope that they aren't freebooters hired by the Mitu, or heard that Lucius was a better fight.
>>5213125my bet is the Eldar pointed them our way.
>>5213143Makes sensez they are always fucking about. They know the blackstone fortresses as talisman of Vaul, maybe the null thing we done to it messed with their predictions or something.As for why they haven't attacked us directly when they got the chance, it might have been another craftworld, or more convoluted eldar bullshit.
>>5213105>>>Try and lure both Xenos into one another to finish the scheme.fuckf uck fuck fuck fuck
I wonder about the damn craftworld of the eldar. They were deep in mitu territory. Do the mitu just leave them alone and pretend they are not *there* when those world-ships pass through their systems? Was it random chance that an Eldar ship was there at that time...
>>5213105>Try and lure both Xenos into one another to finish the scheme.
>Try and lure both Xenos into one another to finish the scheme.Part of me wishes we could do something cunning. . .something brutally cunning. Like we might not have a piece of them to find out but maybe we do have some frozen orksicles we can eat and devise their crude language from.Then its a matter of projection of a form via hologram and voice onto their Vox via our brilliant tech mind, and do something like:>"OI YA GITZ. TELL DA UVA' BOYZ DAT DA PLAN IS WORKIN'.>WOT? YOU AIN'T KNOW DA PLAN? DEN LISTEN UP. DA BOSS' CHOSE US CAUSE WE IZ' DA SNEAKIEST, DA MOST BRUTALLY CUNNIN' BOYZ SINCE MORK PUNCHED GORK. YOU'Z WANT TO KNOW HOW? JUST 'AVE YER WYRD' UNZ TRY AN LOOK AT US THRU DA SHIP. NOT EVEN DEYZ CAN TELL IF WE'Z ORKS ER' NOT." (as we hold the blackstone close) >"TELL ALL DA UVA' BOYZ WE'Z FOUND DA BIGGEST OF DA SQUISHY'S FLEET WE'Z CAN AND BROUGHT EM DIS WAY SO'Z WE'Z CAN KRUMP EM GOOD AND DEN GO LOOT DEYZ PLANETS CAUSE DEYZ BEEN KRUMPED. DA FOIGHT IS ON IT'Z WAY, GET DA LADS 'ERE!"
>>5213291Our crew already think we are insane and that the xeno starch is a corrupting influence, I don't want to add more fuel to that fire.
>>5213178what do you think the odds are that after we find out the Eldar will be all "you needed those works for a distraction, No need to thank us Mon-keigh" in the snobbiest way possible.
>>5213340Well hey, if it works it works.Part of me thinks we actually starting to become like Cawl after all. We know its gonna work, they just gotta trust us.
>>5213105>Lure them into one another.
>>5213291...You know that is something that orks would totally fall for. I'll back this because I find it hilarious. The orks will become convinced that there is some kind of sneaky git who is so bruttally kunnin he tricked a bunch of buckit headz that he wuz one of them all along and that nobody not even orkz knowz who he iz.These are orks all we have to do is tell them that we are best kommando is so goddamn sneaky that everyone thinks it so we are and that we will lead them to the best fights of all(against Chaos) and we won't even be lying technically. Shit if they ever get suspicious just build a giant mech suit and paint it green and purple.
>>5213291>+1 SupportIf they can't tell if we are Orks, then the enemy cannot tell if we are Orks
>>5213291TalOS only needs a minute of conversation to understand the language of the Orks.
>>5213650Considering it Is the ork language, 1 minute is overstating it by a lot.
>>5213105>>Try and lure both Xenos into one another to finish the scheme.If I could I vote against the ork communication, we are risking enough as it is.
>>5213105>Try and lure both Xenos into one another to finish the scheme. >>5213291>supportIt is risky, but if Talos would be smart enough not to do it if it wouldn't work. I'll back it
Orcs are fungus do they even have brains to eat?
>>5213713It works on flesh, it doesn't have to be brain although brain is probably better.A space wolf has been described as thinking "the ponderous thoughts of trees" when he ate a piece of bark with the blood of a Tyranid monster on it. And of course he also determined the thoughts of the tyranid too.Also yeah Orks do have brains. Ghazghuklls got pulped but miraculously healed, and also the feared "Squig Brain Transplant" is a thing among them.
>>5213713The fact is that you only need flesh to gain memories, not brains. Brains just give you the best Gig per Pound.
>>5213895Really that gland is truly a work of genius. From The Corax novel:>‘Oh?’ said Guilliman. He raised the ewer in Corax’s direction, tipping back the lid with a thumb catch. The Ravenlord’s sensitive olfactory sense registered the fermented juices of grapes wafting from its throat. Wrapped up in the smell were volumes of information: the alcohol content, the colour, the acidity and the other, less-tangible factors that contributed to them – how long ago the berry had diverged from its ancestor, the soil it had been cultivated in, fragments of gene-code from the people who had made it, the composition of the air it had breathed, the trace minerals in the water that it drankA Primarchs sense of taste is even more impressive than the average space marines.
>>5213713They do have brains and a lot of other human like organs
>>5213224Craftworlds are basically mobile worlds, the Mitu probably think twice before devoting the kind of resources to that sort of foe.
>>5213291>+1Imagine if we manage to convince them to go after the unprotected Mitu worlds next rather than Lucius!
>>5213105>Try and lure both Xenos into one another to finish the scheme. >>5213345This makes a disturbing amount of sense.
>>5213345Mysteriously appearing, leaving without saying anything, sending a war to your front step and then saying that it was for your own good is definatly peak Eldar behaviour.
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST NULL THE WHOLE MONUMENT TO OUR GODS THAT WE TOTALLY BUILT 20.000 YEARS AGOOOOO>Yes
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>>5214016Imagine if it was what would have been the Will of Eternity that we nulled, so it doesn't fall into Abaddons hands.He'd have to use some other Blackstone fortress and all the beautiful butterflies through time that comes from it.
Finish the Scheme, also fuck Eldar apparently>>5213112>>5213125>>5213215>>5213238>>5213360>>5213428>>5213484>>5213657>>5213567>>5213614>>5213977>>5213674A good amount of you want to talk to the Orks. That shall happen unless another chunk of you suddenly respond to this.
>>5214165I'm still not sold on it, but I'm just one guy, so all I can do is hope that it works
The bridge was stunned silent at the simple fact that they had wandered into a makeshift pincer maneuver. Add in the fact that these Orks were charging right towards Lucius and it was almost all his fears come true. It was in a moment of complete fear that TalOS realized something, +Coms, can we listen to the Orks?+ +Processing Request.+ The Magos called out as a series of clicks and simmers went through the air, +They are employing human communication technology and it is unsecured.+ +Patch me into it.+ TalOS declared much to the confusion of the Tech Priests around him. TalOS was suddenly blasted with a series of hoofs and hollars that he could not make sense of. It was as crude as listening to a thousands of Servitors whose Machine Spirits decided to commit suicide in order to torture their poor souls. There was a rhythm and rhyme to it though. When there was sense there was understanding. Upon identifying the words and reason the Primarch was able to learn. “AAAAGHHH! Will you gits shut da mork up!” Yelled one of the noticeably louder Orks on the coms, “Nav’Git! How close are we to da buzzin!” “We ‘ave twelve million zogs from dit.” Answered a quieter voice. “Ya told me we were goin’ to be three million zogs away!” “Dats what da spindily thingy told me.” After those words TalOS heard a distinct shot from a gun ring through the coms network. “Who gonna be next navi-git!” “Git you!” “Who said dat!?” “Killa Kik!” “Den he’s our next Navi-Git! Get ‘is ass in the navi-git seat before I blow ‘is brains out for be’in late!” TalOS felt himself grow a small headache at the words that were spoken. He had just peered into what was honest insanity and somehow make something out of it.
As nearly a dozen more Ork ships came into the system TalOS heard a call out, “‘Ey dere! Who da mork are you!?” TalOS only needed a second to realize who he was referring too, “I’m da sneaky-git! I got da news!” Spoke the Primarch wanting to kill himself for saying that. “Sneaky-Git? You don’t look Orky…” “Best way to sneaky sneak.” TalOS declared as he felt the entire staff of his wonder what TalOS was saying, “Boss, I found out where da buzzin been comin’ from!” “You ‘ave?!” The Ork called out as if he was trying his damndest to jump through the coms and to TalOS, “Where is it!?” “Big-” TalOS thought to himself for a millisecond as he tried to come up with the right word, “Big laz gits fleet comin’ in! I lured dem here so we can all krump them!” “Laz Git… Ah da Slimies!” The Ork called out as he shouted out in sheer cheer, “You just becom’ da best Blood Axe I ‘erever had!” “Thanks Boss!” TalOS called out, “Come ‘ere and we can jump them together! I’ll let you and da WAAAGH have fist dibs.” “Haha! You just beggin to be my right thumb! Come ‘in everyone we got a bunch of Slimies to Krump!” As TalOS left the call he noticed nearly a hundred ships entering the system. TalOS noticed that all his remaining Mechanicus Ships, roughly sixty, had rendezvoused with TalOS. The Bridge was silent, both in awe and confusion as TalOS allowed himself a moment of rest. +Divert our course away from the Ork’s new path and prepare for Warp Jump. They will not be fooled for much longer.+ TalOS declared to the crew as he felt the Onus Probandi move once again. As they diverted from the path of the Orks numerous ships began to make themselves known at the other side of the system. A single scan was enough to tell TalOS that the Mitu Collective Ships were arriving and in a complete fleet as well. One after another ths ships arrived and gavea psychic scan of the area. TalOS knew for sure that the Xenos were not expecting the Orks as suddenly their arrival formation began to move and break.
The first ones to make the attack were, of course, the Orks. With the early warning given to them the greenskins were able to cross what would have originally been no man’s land thanks to the powerful guns of the Mitu Collective. Numerous small arms fire was sent flying through space and impacting the Cruiser that so helplessly was the first one to arrive. TalOS was first to witness the inaccuracy of the Orks. But when it came down to it if they kep shooting so many shots the Orks were eventually going to hit something. That something was the before mentioned Cruiser that ended up exploding thanks to what was numerous small arms fire. That Cruiser was only the start of the fleet’s arrival. One after another the Mitu Collective were sent from the warp wailing into space where the Orks were. The Greenskins now in range were actively trying their damndest to ram the nearest Mitu ships with brutal effect. Said brutal effect led to the destruction of three other Cruisers. This fight was not one sided for the Orks though. Thanks to being within the jump point numerous Ork Ships were torn into and destroyed with the opening of Warp Holes. These rips in reality ironically gave the Mitu some room when the majority of their ships arrived in system to welcome the incoming horde or Orks. Upon seeing that TalOS had enough. +Activate the alerts to alert the crew! Hold everything down that you hold dear! Upon this moment we traverse from the realm of our Lord and to the Realm of Monsters!+ Upon those commands the entire room went red with alerts. The entire bridge staff bolted themselves into place as the Ritual of Entrance was given. Just like it had so many times before. +Bring the Energy Generation to Max and disengage the safeties. Direct all power to the blessed Warp Drive, for we set off into Damnation!+ TalOS declared in a commanding voice that rang through the entire space ship, +Awaken her with all this might, awaken the Divine Sunderer! Pray to the Machine God for our souls as she awakens!+ The entire ship began to vibrate before the devilish feeling of the warp barely brushed TalOS’s mind, +Secure the Iron Curtains and wait, for we are now in the realm of thoughts and monsters.+And with that Ritual, the Mechanicus Fleet fled into the Warp on course towards Lucius. >Full Speed to Lucius>Organize an Early Alert Fleet>Try and make some Combat Ready Null-Tech.
>>5214222>>Try and make some Combat Ready Null-Tech.
>>5214222>Try and make some Combat Ready Null-Tech.
>>5214222>Try and make some Combat Ready Null-TechI suggest we apply our mind to developing Null-Tech specific to throwing off chase from psykers and premonition of our movements. Anti-Future reading tech.
>>5214239Not happening. You guys rejected that option... about four posts ago.
Also QM I hope you grace us with a few scenes of the Mitu Admirals bridge next update if possible. I can only imagine how its going for them right now.
>>5214242Since I won't its easy enough to describe it like so. "FUCKING ORKS!"
>>5214241Oh right, the preserving the sight thing until we are sure if we want to dispose of it.I hope the option isn't locked out permanently.
>>5214245It was a different option. The one where you guys voted to stay as one doom fleet and run towards the Orks.
Lmao we'll have to tell our brother Alpharius about this one one day. That was funny.>>5214222>Organize an Early Alert Fleet
>>5214222>Organize an Early Alert Fleet
>>5214222>>Full Speed to LuciusWE MUST!!!! One ork space-fleet is NOTHING!!! who knows how many more are going to Lucius with the promise of a good fight
>>5214222>Full Speed to LuciusThe faster we get there, the more time we have to prepare for either Orks or Mitu.
>>5214241Personally I think that option was rejected because it meant either some of our sons be sent as the bait, or ourselves, for it to work. Which wasn't very palatable. It is an idea worth testing on another time when the opportunity arises.>>5214222>Full Speed to Lucius
>>5214380I think he meant in relation to fleet wide, which again you guys voted on already.
>>5214222>Full Speed to Lucius
>>5214222>Full Speed to Lucius>>5214220This was glorious QM.btw TalOS is an INT and CHA build isnt he?
>>5214222>Combat ready null tech fucking orks
>>5214380That's true. The "letting the rest lead the enemy on a wild goose chase." wasn't very appealing especially if the implication we were gonna be the bait.But some day we should investigate null shielding the fleet without having to do that part and when the consequences of it not working don't mean a huge mitu fleet following us to Lucius.
>>5214678Is there anything funny for April first?
>>5214678Nvm, answered my own question.
>>5215026Just as the Mitu General
Null Tech>>5214236>>5214238>>5214239>>5214625Full Speed to Lucius>>5214380>>5214288>>5214305>>5214454>>5214600Early Alert Fleet>>5214255>>5214273You know, I would like to do an April Fools thing but I want to keep this story going. So have a clown. If someone gets me a better clown, uh, idk I'll think of something
>>5215352If I was to do something I would do some Primarch Smut because it'd be hilarious.
>>5215354||The only thing more hilarious would be to give it plausibility to be canon. Which by this point is likely very possible||
>>5215354 The only thing more hilarious would be to give it plausibility to be canon. Which by this point is likely very possible
There was no reason to delay or slow down. With the Orks and the Mitu being close on the doorstep of Lucius TalOS knew this fact was certain. If they did not arrive at Lucius the incoming fleet of ships was going to annihilate the planet. With them there it would at least give Lucius a chance to defend against them. It would require a series of Warp Jumps to cross the empty void between the Mitu Collective and Lucius. Using his growing knowledge of Warp Travel he focused his efforts into maximizing the possible potential of their unguided ships through the terrors of the gods. It was hard. TalOS essentially blocked off any other form of communication in focus of trying to make sure they would arrive at the planet in one piece. None bothered to interrupt him in this endeavor as he navigated. A lesser general might have been worried about what his men would have come up with but TalOS trusted them. They were Priests of the Machine God after all. There was a moment as he stayed like this that he had to curse himself. He knew it was he himself who caused the xenos to get so close to Lucius. It was him who did not guard against them. Through his crusade he had allowed his home world to be both known and exposed to the ravages of space. As he thought this the Primarch registered their position. They had arrived. He exited the comotose of the machine and looked out into a barely changed bridge. Everyone there knew that the time had come and witnessed. +Bring the Energy Generation to Max and disengage the safeties. Direct all power to the blessed Warp Drive, for it is our salvation.+ TalOS declared in a commanding voice that rang through the entire space ship, +Awaken her with all this might, awaken the Divine Sunderer! Pray to the Machine God for souls as she awakens.+The words did not carry the flamboyance and pride that TalOS gave many times before. Many of the bridge started their work but the same lethargy of wear and tear was worked upon them. After a constant battle among the stars TalOS was sure many of them were frightened at whatever they might find. Though they were tired the vibrations of the ship began to carry itself through the ship before stopping. +Raise the iron curtains and let us see our destination.+ TalOS said as his eyes began to widen, +Bask in the Glory that is the Machine God for we have ARRIVED!+
The bridge was silent after that declaration. None could speak up as they looked upon Lucius. Even the Primarch felt his heart skip and fall silent as he looked upon the planet. Previously there was a series of barren landscapes that would have covered the majority landscape. While their crest laid upon its surface it was something that only those close to the planet would be able to easily tell. Its Atmosphere would have few ships covering it as while it had power to reforge almost anything, Lucius simply did not have the metals to maximize on it. Now, looking upon Luicus, TalOS saw factories for as far as the eye could see. No longer did the deserts of their planet hold sway as the massive factories that could be seen from space. Around its atmosphere were hundreds of ships that almost blotted out the sky in their number which were only accented by the massive Blackstone Fortress that guarded them all. Lastly, TalOS looked upon the ‘L’ of Lucius. It was by far larger than anything TalOS even expected and it cemented the existence that this was in fact Lucius, the heart of the Lucius Federation. TalOS shook the wonder from him as he forced himself to reassert himself. He keyed in a series of communications and tethered himself into the network that belonged to a certain Magos, +Arch Magos K00LT, do you have room within your docks for the Expedition Fleet?+ The coms were silent for half a minute as TalOS waited for the answer. Instead the voice of another graced his ears, +We do, Arch Dominus. Welcome back.+ +Thank you, Fabricator General.+ TalOS answered as he allowed himself a moment to hold himself, +We must meet immediately, if those of the High Council are able I wish to speak with them too.+ +I shall call them.+ The oldest man of Lucius answered, +I shall meet you upon the Blackstone Fortress.+ +Thank you, Fabricator General.+ TalOS answered before giving several instructions to the crew.
The Backstone Fortress had changed a lot from the last time TalOS was here. Instead of a dirt covered landscape it now looked like a proper fortress. Once plain black walls were now covered with several pieces of metal that acted as both supports and arcs for the transformation effort. The doors that have once been of the blackest stone were now modified. They had several components replaced with their Mechanicum counterparts. With his trained eye TalOS could easily tell that instead of simply building upon the structure many pieces of the fortress were removed and mounted again with the improved mechanics. What was likely the most telling of it all was the atmosphere. Instead of using what was surely a psychic effect that mystically held in the air instead it was replaced with several generators and a techno-arcane gravitational technique that forced the air to stay where it was. It was genius in its creation, that much TalOS had to admit. Noting all this the Onus Probandi docked within the ship and thus allowed all who were upon it to leave. TalOS himself was already on the move as he was given a direction on where exactly he was supposed to end up. The room he was directed to was the Bridge which stood at the center of the ship. It was now a massive room where dozens of cogitators and servitors were hard at work making sure that all the systems of the Blackstone Fortress were coming to forwishen. Standing next to the Command Throne was a small crouched figure that TalOS recognized immediately. He walked up and gave a bow to the man who commanded more respect then him. +Protocol 11544.+ The Fabricator General annoucned as he looked up to TalOS, +You have done well, as you have returned with almost your entire fleet intact.+ +It is a blessing from the Machine God that I have arrived, Fabricator General.+ TalOS answered as he took the moment to rest, +Lucius has come so far from the last time I was here.+ +With the resources of the Hive Worlds and Dutonis that you have found, Lucius gained enough resources to fulfill my dream. Within ten years we will rival Mar’s own grandeur.+ +Mars…+ +The Holiest Planet, indeed. I had hoped to create a planet that would rival her and thanks to you it seems to be coming true.+ +Then I thank you for the chance, Fabricator General.+
+I am informed of the situation from your data logs.+ The Fabricator General told TalOS, +I understand that Lucius is under threat?+ +We face the Orks and the Mitu Collective.+ TalOS declared without a hint of surprise, +The Orks are approaching Lucius and I am sure the Mitu are aware of the Plastoid’s death with our crossing of the gap.+ The Fabricator General nodded as he gained more understanding, +It is dire then. With our increased resources we are estimating that Crux Psycana shall be reached within a month. I see your estimates place the coming threat to start arriving in roughly a week as well?+ TalOS nodded as he heard the assessment, +That is correct. It will likely be small fleets of Orks, though I am sure the Orks will send a thousand ships upon the final day if they are able.+ +Then you have a job ahead of you, Arch Dominus.+ Answered the Fabricator General. >Focus on fortifying the heck out of Lucius itself>Begin running hit and run attacks on the incoming greenskins>Work on making sure the fleet is at its strongest, so that the Blackstone Fortress Survives.
>>5215467>Work on making sure the fleet is at its strongest, so that the Blackstone Fortress Survives.It's our trump card, if it goes down, we lose.
>>5215467>>Work on making sure the fleet is at its strongest, so that the Blackstone Fortress Survives.Critical stage in our development as a Power.
>>5215467>Work on making sure the fleet is at its strongest, so that the Blackstone Fortress Survives.It is our most important asset.I dream of Lucius' Legion being renowned for the strength of its navy.
>>5215463If we take it at face value, rivaling mars or even coming close is well, astonishing. Particularly since it's being done within a single humans lifestyle (indeed a single war campaign) and even without the direct hand of the Primarch. Sure we've got lots of planets feeding it now, but Mars has been built up for 30,000 years.Did you say Lucius might legit even surpass mars itself? That's . . . mind boggling amazing, even for the Fabricator General. The only plausible explanation I can say is maybe the Machine God truly approves our effortsI think the moment we even HINT this on Mars there will be a roar crying out for Heresy for the idea that any other forge world could become more productive, and another roar of voices demanding proof. I scarce imagine what will happen when they have proof that there's a planet out there that is as productive as holy Mars.Maybe the only thing Lucius is missing now is a giant orbital shipyard ring. And turning the moon into a giant orbital defense fortress/gun platform like Phobos.
>>5215467>Work on making sure the fleet is at its strongest, so that the Blackstone Fortress Survives>>5215503It is impressive and almost hard to believe. Maybe Mezoa helped. Its founder was the friend of the fabricator general. We are also going to have major bragging rights with all our brothers>Guilliman: I turned conquered my planet ans turned it into a functional, well organized, utopian society and solar empire>Perturabo: I dream of making the planet I conquered into a well organized, utopian society...>Angron: I WANTED TO CONQUER MY PLANET>Talos: I turned my planet into a 2nd Mars and conquered half a sector
>>5215522*Guilliman: I conquered my planet and turned*
>>5215522>Half a sectorIf we can get this Mitu and Orx war done before discovery, than we have the entire Gothic sector on our hands.
>>5215503I can believe it, Mars hasn't had much of the way of imported materials either, and it isn't the heart of the empire yet, so mini mars.. not yet Mars!
>>5215541This presumes we're able to gather more resources to Lucius than the Emperor is to Mars at this stage. Which isn't impossible, I'll give it that. Emperor might have more directions for his stretched resources than fueling it all into Mars where as we are putting everything we can into Lucius
>>5215545The Emperor's side projects, mutual distrust towards Mars, and focusing efforts towards military expansion rather than to empower and repair Mars is why its resurgence is stagnated. Guess the real question is, what's going to happen when we get there and start fixing it.
>>5215562Let's not also forget that Mars is seriously fucked up six ways from Sunday from the age of strife and all the literal data daemons and abominable intelligences rampaging in the lower levels.When Talos lands on Mars, he will cry two tears of oil:-One that he has landed upon such a sacred, holy planet of his God-The other . . .at what an absolute dumpster fire it is beneath the surface. Holy shit man someone grab the fire suppressant that's not supposed to burn!I can see Mars being a sort of trap where dad chastises us for spending time trying to fix it rather than campaign like Lorgar building up Monarchia. Except at least, fixing Mars benefits the campaign's logistics so we have an excuse.
>>5215577If he wants to complain about Mars repair and knowledge retrieveal, than he is free to do it openly, for every tech priest to hear.I'm pretty sure the Mechanicus will be really supportive of his crusade after that.
>>5215562>>5215577When it comes to it I think dungeon crawling mars every now and again, fortifying as we go would be better than spend a large amount of time doing a 3d ww1 trench war to try and 'fix' it.Maybe we can send our legion for training, 1k troops every now and again on rotation to both be Tech marines and treasure hunters.
>>5215352I dunno man
>>5215467>>Work on making sure the fleet is at its strongest, so that the Blackstone Fortress Survives.Don't you think that orks are weaker in space? They can't club gits in space.Of course, our fleet won't mean shit when the roks fall, because oh yes they will fall...
>>5215467>Work on making sure the fleet is at its strongest, so that the Blackstone Fortress Survives.by the way, what happened to protocol 1. did the FG just say fuck that shit or is the trial postponed until the threat is dealt with.
>>5215467>Strengthen the Fleet to ensure the Blackstone lives
>>5215467>Work on making sure the fleet is at its strongest, so that the Blackstone Fortress Survives.Losing the fortress would be a very heavy blow to moral so we must prevent that. And if the xenos cannot make landfall all the better.>>5215352>>5215354The "m" stands for mechanicum of course
>>5215753>Don't you think that orks are weaker in space? They can't club gits in space.Thing is, when Roks fall, a large portion of them disintegrate or explode during orbital reentry.Thus in space, the number of orks is greater than on land typically.I said it before but a good "warm up" practice for specializing our fleet to fight orks later on is to get good at disintegrating portions of asteroid belts. And those don't shoot back, so consider it easy mode.
>>5215467>Work on making sure the fleet is at its strongest, so that the Blackstone Fortress Survives.>Write-InI'm going to take a page from QM's suggestions and make write-ins appropriate to the current situation.So we want to strengthen our fleet. Currently, the mainstay of our forces and the most easily reproducible ship is the Tartarus Escort Frigate. Their strength comes from their numbers, each one carrying a battleship worthy lance at the prow and strong laser defenses. The weakness is, of course, their small individual size, a good hit from a Mitu ship of equal or larger size could severely cripple or outright destroy one, at range particularly.We should work on mitigating that, and we have the perfect example sitting on our Secutarii right now: their Kyropatris Field Generatorhttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kyropatris_Field_GeneratorIndividually weak, the Krypopatris Field Generator gains its strength from unifying itself with others of its number, dissipating the force of the blow over various generators. Creating a stronger shield out of the many.We should see if the same can be applied upon our Tartarus ships to create a sort of hexagrammic shield formation, to give them greater holding power when the enemies ranged fire is superior.
>>5216144>Write-InI also suggest testing if it is possible to combine lance beam strikes using either algorithimic firing sequences and specific frequencies, or perhaps even construction of specific subset of Tartarus that houses a powerful refractor crystal that could be synthesized via Lucius forges.OOC the Eldar have prism tanks in which several of them can fire into the crystal of one of them, combining their beams. IRL there are also Beam Combiners.Failing the ability to produce something like that, we could also investigate on specific lance beam frequencies that are more likely to create the sort of interference and precise firing data patterns to create a combined lance beam, further augmenting the power of our Tartarus ships to tackle much larger foes like enemy flagshipsJust some ideas on how to strengthen our fleet besides "Make as many ships and defense batteries as possible". Which isn't a bad strategy either.
>>5216144>>5216151>+1Good ideas to try
>>5216144>>5216151>supportThere's no better way to test new battle technology than a battle
>>5216151Screw that. Think outside the box.Let's fucking shoot gamma rays and melt anything at their general direction on AU scales. Yes it might displace the lucius orbit a little, maybe plunge it to the sun who knows
>"Those damn cog boys shot a huge flash from their planet that erased half the fleet. They were no fun to fight and there was no ramming"translate that to ork plase. I wonder if we can control the star-core to create an accretion disk and fire jets... no, that would consume mass and we don't want that
>>5216482jets, you know?
>>5216482Nuclear accelerated projectiles and mines. Also gauss weaponry for whatever reason. For an artificial star we can weaponize the plasma plumes a star naturally radiates and eject it. In addition to MASSIVE plasma damage it will also have an EMP effect. Nuclear torpedoes are another fun one irradiates and EMPs upon hit.A big one since we got an artificial star is Plasma weaponry out the ass and EMP. Practically limitless amount of it at that. Lasers at long range and switch to plasma when they get closer. Plasma bombs. Plasma mines. Aka plasma everywhere.Plasma/gauss is also underrated when you accelerated it so fast and hard it partially melts and energizes so hard it becomes plasma it goes so fast from the excess of energy and speed. Having an artificial star suddenly makes something like that entirely viable.Plus I think with TalOS genius he would understand that big ass batteries+matter accelerator=easy logistics for primitives that hit very hard that aren't too energy dependent or chemically complex. Also rad bombs and nuclear accelerated projectiles are vastly underrated and fucking terrifying.
>>5216504why lasers tho, gamma rays are stronger and reach way farther!! Same electromagnetic particle but better
>>5216504>>5216482>>5216475I just think it may be easier on QM to write stuff by linking it to existing 40k tech.So for example, EMP. In Warhammer terms that's called "Haywire" weapons. Cawl for example, specifically builds his body with shields and insulation specifically more powerful than that of Necrons so he can unleash a Haywire pulse bomb that can fry the circuits off them, till they repair anyway.Titans have large scale haywire missiles.However against the Organic based ships of the Mitu and the questionable technology of Ork Roks they may not be as effective. They might have some effect perhaps, like causing radio interference and frying crude Ork radio vox, but they just aren't the same kind of technology.As for weaponizing Lucius by tapping into the core, I don't see why not if we can spare the resources. We could build numerous Plasma Obliterators that are fueled directly by the heart perhaps.>>5216504If you mean Necron Gauss we'd need to encounter necrons first, but there are canon examples of Mechanicus reverse engineering and even combining Necron-Gauss in strange ways, to more or less success. if you mean regular magnetic accelerators, in this era they are rare but not unheard of. Asides Custodes Tanks, nothing stops us from developing the Macro-Accelerator cannons of the Astreus super heavy tank earlier.Also we certainly can choose to favor Plasma-Batteries as opposed to standard Shell Cannons for short range rapid firepower. Though I still generally prefer lances. Ranged is King baby.I think if you elaborate the weapon more and give some examples, I could try to find a 40k analogue
I hate this peanut cuntWell damn, I understand there is no analogue to weaponizing a damn star in the 40k. It does have plenty of destroying stars howerer
>>5216475Gotta be honest, shooting someone with radiation is very Admech. Hell, their basic Radium Weapons do that already. >>5216151I feel a power creep coming if this was to happen. Also, it would not actually change the attack much as with Admech Precision the guns can easily hit the exact same spot on a void ship. As this is the case there is no need to focus beams into an even bigger beam.
We are focusing on void combat>>5215474>>5215480>>5215495>>5215753>>5215924>>5215962>>5216144>>5215522>>5215978>>5216482>>5216593Star guns, well, you guys can easily harvest power from Lucius's core into Planetary Batteries but you think I am going to allow you to blow up half the fleet coming into system? The answer is clearly no.
>>5215924When the issue is over. The Trial will be when the war has either calmed down or is over.
>>5216593There are actual dyson spheres in 40k. Necron World Engines are basically weaponized stars. Projects for later>>5216610Dont Skitarii use Gamma pistols too?
>>5216645The Cybernetica Datasmith does, which is fucking weird. I'm also pretty sure Horus Heresy Skitarii have it too though.
TalOS walked through the ship yard that stretched out of Lucius to see as everything was moving. Several Servitors and Servo-Skulls moved themselves to cart around several tons of ammunition. They arrived at a ship where a Knight was standing vigilently, lowering itself to pick up the munitions and place them on the correct rack to be transported to the Blackstone Fortress. On another end of the place TalOS watched as one of his Tartarus Class ships was swarmed with Servo Skulls, Serfs, and Tech Priests in an attempt to fix up the numerous pieces of damaged armor. TalOS took the moment to identify that indeed a vast majority of the low augmented serfs were from the hive world of Helmnet. And then, across the ways, TalOS witnessed several thousand tons of rocks and stone be unloaded and dumped out onto a massive train cart. These materials, if he understood it, were raw resources gathered from the nearby mining world that was secured several years ago. Lastly he turned towards the newest installation of the Ship Yard. It was a massive plasma cannon that was built from an STC schematic that helped keep Mezoa safe for so many years against the very foes they were about to face. Everything was working as TalOS planned. In three days they will start to receive a series of assaults from the Orks and after that this sort of peace will be lost to the invading xenos. TalOS heard a series of clicks from his side as a voice made connection with him, +Arch Dominus TalOS, it has been a while.+ TalOS turned to see a slightly more augmented friend, +Dux Dominus D3X, it is a pleasure to see you again.+ +Affirmation given.+ The Tech Priest answered as he gave a nod, +Have you taken the moment to review what I have sent you?+ +I have.+ Answered the Primarch as he gave the fellow his full attention, +You have done well to turn a majority of our manpower into Skitarii. But not only that but so many of the Manufactoriums are not only new but also following the princibles of FAG…+ +Conjecture: Such advancement would not have been possible if we did not have the manpower and resources.+ Answered the Tech Priest. +That is true.+ TalOS admitted as he turned to his fellow, +Now what has happened on Lucius while I was away?+
TalOS felt a secure connection port itself in one of his many cogitators, +With prosperity and ability a great many have gained power. First off, Dux Dominus AL3X has advanced herself to be worthy of her title with five manufactoriums under her sway.+ +Did she now? Thats… troubling.+ +Agreement.+ D3X answered back with a small bit of relief, +We have not however had any incidents with Xenos or Warp Tech as none have been discovered. That might change with the recent shipment. Question, What has brought you to aquire such goods?+ +I have seen potential in the fact that these materials were able to manipulate the Warp.+ TalOS announced as he acknowledged the Tech Priest’s summirzation, +The Evil Gods only have a presence when there is a psychic presence. They do not have a presence in areas like the Blackstone Fortress and the null projects of the Crystals. It is our greatest weapon against them and their champions. There is the chance that if someone had psykers they can eventually reverse our work. Have they arrived on Lucius?+ The Tech Priest nodded as he gave TalOS a new matrix, +Calculated, Out of the five billion that we have migrated to Lucius we have confirmed five thousand six hundred and seventy five psykers among the humans.+ +And what of them?+ +We are currently keeping the majority of them sedated. Only those who are below Iota are allowed to still walk among us. I have them closely monitored.+ TalOS thought to himself for a moment until he raised a brow, +And the reason they are still alive?+ +Many, including Dux Dominus AL3X, have voiced their concerns of exterminating such a resource. Thus we have decided to hold off until the High Court can convene once again.+ +Have any of them disappeared?+ +Not to my knowledge. There is a 23% chance of that changing.+ The Dux Dominus answered.>Wipe out the slot of Psykers>Keep them all sedated. >Awaken them, we will use them for our defence efforts.
>>5216672>Keep them all sedated.Having a source of human psykers mean we can test first hand the effectiveness of our null tech, tactics and how to combat them, without having to deal with xeno tech.And if we or one of our alliea gets to be the head of the project, it means we can jeep a close eye on AL3X
>There is the chance that if someone had psykers they can eventually reverse our work. Gotta figure out some countermeasures to this. The solution will surely present itself when we learn Technomancy and can do stuff like Null Matrices and more machine based null empowerment to resist reversal>>5216672I'm going to guess that none of these are astropaths or navigators, or rather that none of the planets we have recovered use astropaths or navigators because that would have changed a lot so. . .>Keep them all sedated."We do not yet have the adequate facilities or know-how to safely deploy them. They have done no wrong, nor have they yet earned their honors.When we reunited with Mars there will surely be many such places they can be better trained, such as the Ordos Psykana, and the fabled Astropathic arts. This science is lost to us, and thus like a foul greenskin mekboy tinkering with a Fusion Reactor, we risk catastrophe through ignorance. We should not risk it."
>>5216672>Keep them all sedatedNo point killing them all specially when their use isn't up.
>>5216672>Keep them all sedated. Shove them in stasis and stockpile them. No need to kill them but we cannot currently train them apparently since the knowledge is lost to us. Maybe one day we can awaken them with purpose in the future.>>5216546Eh, I more meant in terms of Lucius itself with an artificial star PLASMA EVERYTHING should be our local shtick in terms of local defensive weaponry cause it's not like your gonna ever run out of plasma. So just upgrade Lucius into a plasma spewing fortress of doom. Not like your ever gonna run out of ammo...like ever. I have a fondness for magnetic accelerators because they are very easy on logistics due to the ease of munitions and 40k already has the power supply issue solved. So the logistics are pretty simple. More importantly, it hits a hell of a lot harder than a fucking flashlight and is vastly easier on logistics than bolters or plasma/meltas. So I think it's ultimately a lot more useful than Volkite weaponry given the complexity of other human forces. I was thinking it would be particularly helpful for Hive worlds and the like. Plus yeah Necron gauss is a ways away I think it has headed in the right direction.Another weapon I think is vastly underrated is Thermite and incendiary in general, especially against orks. Plasma and fire will burn their spores. I know Tau has pulse aka ionic weaponry but we need more burning against orks. Sadly I do not have any good ideas against psykers besides null tech. I do think though we should exploit radiation weaponry more along with vibration and sonic based.Wait the Mitu are organic yes...so wouldn't radiation and chemical weaponry potentially be especially effective? Maybe viral? Actually no plagues don't want a fucking Nurgle accidentally.
>>5216610Gonna guess linking ship shields to help deflect large blows is also too OP.Yeah, it would have been nice to consider it for larger ships too but if its unbalanced then by all means.Is there a way to gauge if something is going to be balanced if we ever wanna come up with designs? Would linked shields be too OP for Acillians or vehicles for example?
>>5216864Just don't abuse the chemicals and radiation too much, we spent some significant time and resources on the FAG by cleaning the place up, and if even full machines have a limit on how much they can take, the mechanicus force would too.I fucking misstype the captcha 7 times, I think my brain is leaking.
>>5216864Lorewise Lucius is renowned for its strong armor plating derived from Luciun, which is made via the artificial core, as well as having (though I don't know if we have done it yet) rediscovered the Mecharius Heavy TankThe secrets of Plasma is more Ryza's thing. That being said, nothing stops us from one day going to Ryza, or Talos just being so smart that he can do it himself, to develop superior plasma weapons production. My main beef against Plasma is primarily lack of range and speed in comparison to beam weapons, but these could theoretically be mitigated. I do think Plasma makes for superior artillery capability than standard shells though>I have a fondness for magnetic accelerators because they are very easy on logistics due to the ease of munitions Define Magnetic Accelerators? Do they use a metal core for ammunition or plasma? Not too big a fan of that since it does rely on a finite supply of matter. A plasma weapon with some armor piercing kinetic punch does sound nicePersonally, my proposed solution to all of that would be me ideas on a Waldenclyffe Transceiver to be inveted alongside T35LA. Imagine if, anywhere on a ship, near a dedicated trasnceiver vehicle or base, an Acillian never needs to concern himself with running out of ammunition or energy charges? His weapon automatically ressuplied and recharged via galvanic energy waves through the air. The Necrons do something similar where their weapons do not need to be reloaded or supplied, simply deriving power from a field of generated energy in the airAnd if we can go further with Technomancy to develop matter-synthesis devices, we could further implement even solid slug accelerator munitions much easier by having the ammunition created within the weapon itself, ready for useA device like that would eliminate so many logistical constraints and allow for a wide variety of energy weapons to have their potency increased>Sadly I do not have any good ideas against psykers besides null techThere's a whole field of Null tech. . .. Everything from weapons to empower nulls, to small infantry, medium vehicle and large planetary scale generators. it's just Xenos knowledge right now>Another weapon I think is vastly underrated is Thermite and incendiary in generalNot a bad idea at all, though I think Heat Ray/Plasma type weapons still have greater functionality than anything fuel based. In the Mechanicus Game, they even combined plasma throwers with Gauss disintegration energy, so we could just hose down spore areas and watch the green disintegrating energies spread out and consume stuff.There's also Phosphex weapons too, nasty stuff and very hard to clean, but they burn with intense radiation. Anyway, today is not that day. If it is in QMs plans, maybe one day Talos can have some glorious turns purely for tinkering and experimenting and weapons design but we should focus on the here and the now.
>>5216894We still have not yet implemented our Separation of Forge and Civilian world ideas that were thrown around a few threads ago. As far as I can tell, there are still humans living on Lucius unless I'm wrong.Radiation or toxic air isn't too big a problem if the entire population is servitors/techpriests. The problem is primarily when the unfortunate thing is that there's weak fleshy humans living on the world. If we can achieve better planetary specialization, then really only the most toxic of stuff that would render it difficult to live for even servitors/machines (like radioactive phosphex) shouldn't be too big a problem.
>>5216897Depends. Magnetic accelerator just shoots matter super fast. A sufficiently energized matter before expulsion will partially transform into plasma before ejection and shoot REALLY fast really far ala sonic boom. Transforming into a hybrid matter/energy blast weapon. Depends on how we want to go about it really. Gauss weapons can be surprisingly versatile like that.I mainly support it since it's easier on logistics and hits harder than typical Imperial flashlights. The munition is super easy to make and acquire. Not as nearly as chemically complex as propellent or bolters. Plus bolter munitions are absolute bitch to manufacture and the logistics behind it are very annoying. Gauss far superior. Yet flashlights are fine but that is me being annoyed at 40k Imperial retardation.>>5216894I was more thinking in space and boarding actions. Obviously not such a good idea planetside. Mitu have a fondness for organic tech might as well use that against them no?>>5216899We have the moment we captured the non Forge Worlds. The FAG applies only to Forge Worlds. We have yet to come up with a derivative of FAG for non Forge worlds to keep them pristine. We currently possess only two Forge Worlds reformed under FAG. We really should figure out what to do with those shitty Hive worlds convert them into proper Forge Worlds or something. Not to mention an actual policy for non Hive worlds besides converting them into inefficient Knight Worlds.
>>5216864>>5216922I suggest using the phrase "Accelerator" weapons since that's how 40k differentiates between that and Necron Guass.Also, using Magnetic Acceleration to launch plasma at superior ranges, speed and amor punching? There is in fact, a 40k example of that.Our favorite blue aliens do it as their standard weapon of choice.But, nothing stops us from doing it 10,000 years ahead of them and proving that we are every bit as smart as them. And doing it better than they ever could. Maybe even making our own fast moving battle suits, to bridge the gap between Knights and Men and give our skitarii some armor capability.
>>5216924Also by "favorite" I mean "oh warp no these xenos have to die in particular" aliens. If we ever live long enough to meet them. Unrestricted abominable intelligences? That's just heresy in a flying can.
Lol all this weapon theories. In Infinite and Divine Trazyn complains how his mind is literally hardwired to try and record and analyze stuff for posterity, even when he is about to die his brain is just recording the details of the weapon about to kill him in slow motion. Maybe this is part of what goes through Talos head even as he tries to plan the defense of his planet against overwhelming Ork attack.
>>5216934Primarchs do think at superspeeds.On top of that if Talos ever starts carrying around secondary brains, he can multi-thread his thoughts via literal sub-consciousnesses with his conscious mind doing priority tasks. Cawl does this.
>>5216672>Keep them all sedated
>>5216924>>5216926Eh I'm wondering if we will ever have a xenos related crisis of faith by encountering an alien species who also worships technology. In general 40k xenos are all assholes so it's most unlikely to encounter something that isn't best left dead but still. Plus I still want to go digging around Lucius since Lucius has bound to have some Abominable AIs disguising themselves as Machine Spirits since they are the second best Forge World hiding around. I want to poke around in their data banks who knows when we'll find another Arkship to talk to.Power Armors are already a thing I think its more a matter of logistics to simplify their manufacturing and usage since so much tech got lost that they resorted to giving Astartes Black Carapace to make it easier. A stopgap measure between Knights and Men would be worthwhile though. Astartes are expensive and rare even if we intiate fertility and breeding programs for carriers of the genes and those who fail the tests. Anything that makes normal men more useful in a fight is certainly worth considering. After all Tal0S's sons are the kind of guys who can easily gear and handle themselves, unlike other Astartes. They are quite like the Salamanders in terms of how independent they are.That's why I want accelerator weaponry. Flashlights just don't pack enough of a punch considering all the bullshit 40k has being thrown around. Well that and better armor. cardboard armor is just plain embarrassing. Don't even remind me about the vehicles...the legendary Leman Russ is literally a Tractor STC. It's humiliating.>>5216934Plasma weaponry is the best option that is uniquely suited for Lucius's situation due to artificial star power guaranteeing limitless munitions for plasma based ordinance. So yes.
>>5217011You misunderstand, I don't mean power armor. I mean battlesuits. Now, you might ask "why". Well, one answer would be "to show that we can to future generations who doubt". The other more correct answer is "why not". It'd just be a nice bit of a thing to prove we can do with human tech anyone else can do but better.Also I do wonder how we will compare to Iron Hands. There were some lore rumors that after a while, from battle damage and just plain "flesh is weak" some IH veterans have completely replaced almost everything except gene-seed and brain with bionics, becoming a marine shaped robot. What if we did that and skipped the gun. Imagine, not having to worry about bleeding to death, no more pain on wounds, to truly become part of a machine?As for accelerators in the hands of mortals as standard weaponry, not a bad idea. I do think accelerators are still probably more complicated to build than laser technology though. Plus if they use solid slugs, its an additional logistics step since laser packs are so hardy you can just recharge them by throwing them in a fire if the techpriest isn't looking. But we should investigate. >>5217011>Plasma weaponry is the best option that is uniquely suited for Lucius's situation due to artificial star power guaranteeing limitless munitions for plasma based ordinanceEntirely possible. Just think that we should go on a Pilgrimage to Ryza one day to truly capitalize on this fact. But the fact is, when you have a miniature star as a core, the possibilities of what you can power with it are endless.
>>5217011I mean you have it already, they are called a Galvanic Rifle. The only reason the guard does not use them is because the Rifle costs more.
>>5217437Galvanic Rifles are basically hand crafted smart guns that fire servitor bullets that track their target and then cause a large electrostatic detonation no?I doubt we'll have the clout to make sweeping changes to the entire astra militarum. We'll probably have our own Lucius Auxilia, like Guilliman has the Ultramar Auxilia. I do agree they could be better armed though. I wonder if Lucius will have the manufactory capability to get each man a Hellgun or even a Volley Gun instead of a standard lasgun.Something I kinda wanna do in this quest if the players are up for it and its the right time in the future is sponsoring specific regiments. Particularly the Scintillian Fusiliers if we're ever in the Calixis Sector visiting the Lathe worlds. An entire regiment of rich, adventure seeking nobles armed with the finest and best equipment, shields and guns that can be given to a non-Admech member. The perfect group for showcasing our latest wares and also giving us some influence with the nobility at large. Might also end up a not-insigificant source of income too.See if we can make them a match for even the vaunted Solar Auxilia!
>>5217035In terms of complexity, accelerators are about equal to lasers for manufacturing. Lasers only win due to batteries and heat sinks needing no other logistical support. The only problem with flashlights is their damage is fucking terrible. The nice thing about accelerators is their munitions requirement is a bare minimum(see barely processed metals) compared to complex chemical compositions for propellents required for gunpowder and bolters. Similar and even better than other munitions that are often used by the Imperium. My hope is to make accelerators akin to other weapons and hopefully push them towards lasers. Mainly to have a cheap plentiful standard weapon that actually packs a punch. Accelerators are the best we can get that have lowish standards for humans. To reload in the field in a pinch just shave down some scrap metal and recharge the battery as you would normally.>>5217437Galvanic rifles are too complex and costly. Accelerator rifles and pistols are in that sweet spot of hitting hard, cheap, relatively simple build, and low logistics requirements. 40k humans for whatever reason almost entirely lost those STC designs and regressed to other forms of weaponry. Probably for the purposes of Grimdarkness considering how simple accelerator class weaponry actually is and easy to maintain/supply.
Why not just copy the Solar Auxilia for our own aux? They basically have the best kit and gear the mechanicus can give them. A lot of them already use volkite and archaotech and have void armor.
>>5217520I dunno anon, this is a lot of claims about accelerators that it does make me wonder why it wasn't done in 40k. I can't even recall if any race has succesfully miniaturized accelerator cannons to infantry scale, and such large cannon weapons were reserved for elite forces like Custodes, Primaris Heavy Tanks and Tau battlesuits.As far as I can tell, the closest thing in 40k to handheld accelerator weapon is the necron Tachyon Arrow, but that's like comparing a promethium thrower to a candle. Its so complex it can't be reloaded in a battle.I guess you could call Shurikens that kinda. Actually yeah Shuriken weapons would basically be what you describe only using metal instead of crystal and gravitic pulses to send sharp slivers of it down range at speed. And they are quite effective, if not the most armour piercing.Could Talos do it if he put his mind to it though? Make a handheld accelerator that's viable? I believe so, but how it functions and cost compared to bolsters and las is up to QM.Personally I'd rather go for quality than cheap. We've made a Mini-Mars and we haven't even connected with the Imperium at large, I think our resource capability will be quite amazing one day. And there's nothing more quality than pure disintegration and beam guns.>>5217521Yeah, we can definitely use them as a model and that's a great idea.Guys lets shift the conversation from more future projecting and onto the topic of psykers. It seems we'll be putting them to sleep. Should we do any other countermeasures? Should this be a temporary measure until we get more info from Mars?Let's put our minds into the now.
>>5217547There isnt really much else to add because we dont have much knowledge about human psykers and applicationsI guess we should prep our adopted null children and any other blanks we can find to boost the Blackstone Fortress and keep it from being inverted. If the psykers awaken due to warp shenanigans, it will be up to them and the fortress to quell the disturbance.
>>5217520>>5217547Oh hey anon! I guess I'm wrong, there ARE in fact examples in 40k of infantry scale accelerator guns and guess who makes them? Spoilers cause this is just more future plan posting so as not to clutter the thread Now I tried to find more info that isn't just the wiki, but all I could find on the 8e Tau Codex is>Tau rail weapons use linear accelerator technology to fire a solid projectile at hyper-velocity. They are capable of punching through the thickest of armour and of taking down the largest of enemies.A Rail Rifle in 8e has:>Range 30" S6 AP 1 and has rapid FireMeanwhile a Las Gun in 8e has:>Range 24" S3 AP 0 and has rapid FireSo at least going by the rules alone, they definitely are 1 for 1 a better weapon than a lasgun. Looking up the munitorum book gives a bit more info on its development. Granted, if the Tau could do it I have no doubts now that there might be an STC out there (and even if they didn't I'd still bet there's an STC out there) but this is how they did it from scratch.>This iteration of the rail rifle could not punch through a battle tank’s armour so effectively as the larger railguns, but it made a mockery of anything up to and including XV88 Broadside armour>Early rail weaponsrequired substantial shielding in order to avoid flooding [...] with harmful levels of radiation. These shields were inevitably formed of super-dense metal alloys, and contributed greatly to the mass of the weapon.>Amongst the developments was a new ceramic, named or’es’var – literally ‘mighty bulwark’. Originally conceived as an ablative hull material to counteract the devastating effects of the Imperium’s fleetborne nova cannons, the material was soon discovered to have unparalleled radiation absorption across a wide spectrum – and better than that, it was light, almost weightless.Hah, so they had to steal Imperial Ceramite just to make the stuff? We already have that.For mass production:>Whilst the rail rifle officially remains exclusive to Pathfinder teams, there are persistent rumours that more compact versions of the weapon are currently being trialled by Fire Warrior cadres on the Tau Empire’s eastern fringeSo yeah, Accelerator Infantry Guns are definitely a thing that has precedence in the setting. And I'd bet both my eyes Talos could do it better than them. Or at least find the human STC of the superior version.
>>5216672>Keep them all sedated.
>>5217520No, Galvanic Rifles are not. With just a quick reference to the Wrath and Glory Rulebook Galvanic Rifles are the cheapest Mechanicus specialized weapon and carry the exact same value as a Hot-Shot Lazgun. You claim that accelerators are cheap and easy to build, but as another anon pointed out the Imperial already has the technology. You forget there is a variety of machine spirits (computers) that are necessary to keep that gun firing straight. If anything, their near none existence proves they might be the hardest damn weapon to build at a common basis.
>>5217759Indeed.Though, I kinda wanna hope Talos could try and make totally-not-just-Tau-Drone-Cogitators out of servo skulls. To mitigate the fact that we can't just put AIs into guns like they can. I think the Imperium kinda already sorta does thatWhich is kinda what deathwatch seems to do at least with their "Purified Eastern Fringe Artillery"As for Galvanic Rifles are we going by the older version or the newer one? Apparently they change from a rapid fire to heavy 2 kinda makes sense. They don't particularly look or lorewise are described as rapid fire but are known for their accurate punch right?As for them being equivalent to Hotshot Lasguns, is that true? In video games they seemed to be more rapid fire. I don't have any of the codexes IRL I have to sorta rely on googling the PDFs and hope I'm looking at 8e so I'd believe you at face value since you play the actual game and are the QM too just fluffwise made it look like skitarii Galvanics and Arequebuses were more hyper accurate bolt actions compared to lasguns automatic rifles.
Also QM for the purposes of translating weapon stats into cool story fluff and comparisons, is this how it would go?>-Number = Number of Shots/How potent it would be given i.e. Rapid 3 would fire faster than Rapid 1. Heavy 2 would have more shots than Heavy 1>-Assault: Fires rapidly/indisctriminately, so able to be fired from the hip or on the move effectively. Shotguns, SMGs, standard bolters etc.>-Heavy: Requires bracing for effective use. Can be fired on the move if one is strong enough, but with an accuracy penalty.>-Rapid Fire: What it says. Also means the closer an enemy is, the more shots it can dish out>-Pistol: This weapon can be fired effectively in melee compared to other ranged weapons>-Blast: This weapon's projectiles explode/have splash>-SuperCharge: This weapon can be supercharged! However there is a risk of user injury. . .or death>-Gets Hot!: This weapon has a risk of getting really hot and melting an unprotected user>-Instant Death: This weapon is particularly very lethal, even where other weapons might just wound someone. Rare and usually attached to stuff like Big E's favorite Adrathic disintegrators or other exotics
>>5216672>Keep them all sedatedAs the others have said, we aren't capable of safely deploying them yet.
>>5217786This is rough, but Gets Hot! and Supercharge are almost always the same rule. Instant Death is a rule I do not recognize and won't use. There are some other things to consider>Mortal Wounds: Whether a lucky shot or break in reality, it ignores any armor and does great amounts of damage. >AP: The ability to pierce armor. This Exponently grows.>Strength: The sheer power behind a shot, normally shared with damage, grows Exponently. >>Modifications to strength: Allows one to apply their strength to the fullest. >Range: Range. I'll probably think of more when the time comes.
>>5217813Yeah. Doing some history it was introduced in 5e and then dropped by 8e.Evidently the old rule was ""If a model suffers an unsaved wound from an attack that has a Strength value of double its Toughness or greater, it is killed outright and removed as a casualty."But its defunct now too. Besides I bet most of such weapons that it was attached to were so strong they would have turned lesser targets to ash and glowing goop anyway.
>>>/gif/22381083>your average admech doing a carstop at a local gastation
>>5218129Thank you Lord for making me a brazilian.
>>5218430For NOT making me*
>>5218430>>5218432Unfortunaly I can't say the same.
>>5218469Although I never seen the shit on that thread happen, so silver lining I guess.
come to brazil
>>5217759Wrath and Glory is great source of information QM I'm glad you mentioned it, I was able to look it up and also found an easy chart for it too.https://www.doctors-of-doom.com/library/wargearFor common weapons comparisons, is this what you generally prefer?I've mostly just been looking up the 9e codexes (where I can get them) which sometimes have slighty different stats.
>>52185319e Datasheets are nice. Like I pointed out though you gotta think of everything growing exponentially. So a Knight is not twice as strong as a Space Marine but 16 times.
>>5218537Is this also true of rapid fire (codex) and salvos (W&G)?Rather than Rapid Fire 4 being just three more shots than Rapid Fire 1, it probably means more like >BRRRRRRRR
>>5218545As far as I know, yes. When you use Salvos in W&G it empties the magazine.
>>5218546Think about it this way, a Bloodletter in standard Table Top would have 1 wound. In W&G they have 10. So the amount of bullets fired are a lot more to kill the same target with say, a Storm Bolter.
+That… is a chance I am willing to take.+ TalOS said with a small bit of honesty, +After all, they are perfect for experimentation purposes. To learn how the psyker thinks.+ +Assessing explanation, I shall see to it then.+ Answered D3X as he turned about, +I shall endeavor to keep them secured then.+ +Thank you, though I understand if any are lost. I am the one who took the risk.+ TalOS admitted as he shook his head, +How have you been fairing D3X?+ The Tech Priest next to TalOS seemed to stiffen to those words, +Counter Conjecture, why do you ask that?+ TalOS gave a small laugh as he realized the true question, +Within the princibles of FAG you must take a moment of rest here and there. If you do not both flesh and machine are more likely to have error thanks to overstraint.+ +Processing.+ D3X answered as a series of tones escaped his mouth, +Processing.+ +You feel the amount of extra time placed into operating is worth the risk?+ TalOS asked while giving a shake of the head, +Or do you really just want to make sure Lucius is protected.+ +Assessing new clarifications.+ The Tech Priest announced though TalOS felt he was just buying time, +It… is the latter.+ +Such a fear is justified.+ TalOS told his friend with a small bit of weariness in his head, +If we do not succeed here we will lose everything we have worked to accomplish.+ +That is correct.+ D3X fired off with immense speed, +We cannot fail.+ +No we cannot.+ TalOS agreed as he patted his friend on the back, +But that means that if we cannot have a chance of failure.+ +Realization, I shall endeavor to take a rest.+ +If you want we can review some old material from my fights with the Mitu. Maybe work on creating some Mitu data-entities for the simulations.+ Under his hood D3X gave a nod in affirmation, +That sounds like a worthwhile relaxation. Shall we do it here tomorrow?+ +Sure.+
Lucius was prepared. With a single day remaining from the incoming attack TalOS was in the Blackstone Fortress monitoring all that was being done. Several of his mechanrites were connected throughout the panels and systems of the command throne which allowed TalOS to tap into the vast network that was made. This network was vast as a good part of it was made by the masterminds of Lucius. TalOS learned that after several years of examination and study they were able to discover a rough method to the proper cutting of Blackstone. With this knowledge many of the walls were cut through and gutted to be replaced with numerous cables and wires. It was this network that the work of numerous Magi could be found. It turned what normally would have been a modestly well connected ship into the network it was. From his Command Throne TalOS could access every single Servitor, Servo-Skull, and Skitarii that was stationed upon the ship. It also eliminated any physical secrets that this vessel could have previously held, many of which were destroyed for having a psychic manner to them. With this network TalOS was easily able to reach out across space and examine the built batteries and ships. Thanks to the need for ships many of the ships that now guarded Lucius lacked a Warp Drive which was able to double the rate in which ships were built. Next to them was the numerous Plasma Batteries that were built to retaliate against the At the end they were prepared, but it did not mean they would succeed. They will likely be able to bash away the scouting fleets of Orks but then after that they would not know. As he thought this a signature was approaching him. With a small smile TalOS returned his mind’s eye to his body and looked at a rather stunned looking UZ1. +It's beautiful.+ She told him as she looked around the bridge, +All of our work has accomplished this.+ +That is correct.+ TalOS answered her as he basked in the glory, +This fortress is no longer Xenos but of the Mechanicus. It resists us only because it fears oblivion.+ +It was psychic, correct? Was it some sort of soul or another sort of perverted consciousness?+ +I do not know.+ TalOS admitted outright as he shook his head, +It is bothersome however. These deathrows have caused us enough trouble.+
+I have finished organizing the repelling forces at the Lexon Wing.+ UZ1 told TalOS as she sent him a small data package, +We will be able to face fifteen hundred Orks before the wing is overwhelmed.+ +Interesting, that would be 23% more than what was originally predicted by Dux Dominus L0SC.+ TalOS admitted as he took in the information, +Your estimates are correct though. Interesting.+ +I learned from the best.+ She cheered with a grin.+You have, but you also have a capable brain to make it happen.+ TalOS told her while patting her head, +What do you think of the simulations D3X and I wrote for the Mitu?+ +Ah, they are accurate. I would only want to put forward that they tend to fall faster when moral shatters.+ +I did consider that.+ TalOS admitted as he thought about it, +I was thinking that their training would allow them to last longer.+ +Hmm, maybe. We know that their psychic abilities start to falter though so what are the chances that they start to use less psychic power instead?+ +It can be considered, but we will need to confirm such a hypothesis.+ TalOS told her with a small nod. +Hmm, should that be one of our early objectives?+ UZ1 asked outright before shaking her head for a moment, +I mean, we have the defence. Maybe it would be valuable to gain as much knowledge as we can about the Orks and Mitu Collective at the start.+ TalOS placed his hand upon his chin as he thought about it, +Not a bad idea…+ >Ultimate Defence, for the reasons of Morale. >Work on gathering data>Conserve resources as much as you can.
>It also eliminated any physical secrets that this vessel could have previously held, many of which were destroyed for having a psychic manner to them.Guess that means UR025 ain't on this fortress lel. Not surprised, I doubt he'd be sticking around for 10,000 years. probably. plus he might hate us for massacring its machine spirit>>5218563All of these options are good. none of them are bad, each of them are tempting. Our brother Dorn, though we know him not, would choose the first, that is his specialty.Our brother Perturabo would choose the third. . .if his temper was under control. War is, rightfully, an equation of numbers and conservation.We are neither of them. As Guilliman said, we primarchs have overlapping skills but it is the subtleties, the different specialties that define the 20. Or the 18.Thus, we follow the tenants of our God, to whom knowledge is always the most valuable thing. (Plus we only have like a day so there's no room for any big wild plans)>Work on gathering dataThis will give us more options when the enemies arrive.
>>5218563>Conserve resources as much as you can.after the orks are replied we will need the resources to quickly follow up with a counterattack or to continue to expand.
>>5218563>Work on gathering dataTo know the enemy is to no longer fear defeat.
>>5218563>>Work on gathering dataWe gotta XCOM this cunts
>>5218563>Ultimate Defence, for the reasons of Morale.Hold the line.
One day in the future we could try to get rid of morale as part of the equation. If we could equip all or at least the vast majority of our skitarii with emotional cores so that they need not experience the sensation of fear or despair.Not like a similar process isn't undertaken for space marines biologically, and perfected in Primaris who note that they don't even have what fewer fears they had as firstborn
>>5218563>Work on gathering data
>>5218717You're never getting rid of it, especially since you guys made TalOS the way he is. Even Necrons suffer from Morale (Even if its incredibly hard to actually set off and it does not make sense for your standard warrior).
>>5218903True. No faction can get rid of morale entirely, not even Primaris. Even completely emotionless Tech-Priests when faced with danger consider the success and defeat percentages and risk of loss of self-data. Tyranids can suffer from "Feral instincts" of survival when the hive mind is disrupted.As you say, even Necrons (the smart ones) can break, as seen with Orikan and Trazyn. The dudes cried tears when they saw their most precious dreams shattered before their eyes, such as Orikan losing the female cryptek he had been growing attached with for millennia. As for the way we made TalOS, I'm guessing that's referring to the really old decision to have our forces be "more human like" rather than leaning towards the automaton around thread 1-2.Question:Would TalOS be against trying to bolster it artificially via cybernetics? Not just emotional dampeners but perhaps artificial courage boosters? There are examples of that sort of technology like Omniscient Mask. Could we also make efforts to, as like Necrons, have the higher functioning soldiers and people with consciousness are more affected morale but the lower tier and automata (like the Necron mindless) are less affected? The servitors, tech-thralls, cyberneticae etc. and using them to decrease casualties among the higher functioning soldiers.
>>5218909To bolster Courage would be trying to displace someone's reality. Make them think something other than what is happening. Don't bother trying to fix the issue you guys caused in the first place.
>>5218909There is stuff like Incantation of the Iron Soul: Re-roll failed Morale tests for affected units
>>5218917Rats. Oh well, I regret not having been in the earliest threads all the more so. But it is what it is.I'm guessing that's where the decision was made that you're referring to.
>>5218919He is probably talking about the choice to make our sons super skitarri or tech space marines.If we went for that, we would have lost their independence and creativity. We still have canticles though.
>>5218917>>5218920Wait QM! I just realize I wasn't being very specific . . .When I said "forces" I should have said "Mortal Auxilia" because I now realize you might be thinking I was referring to Acillians.I'm guessing you were ultimately referring to this post regarding Acillians and keeping them human.https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2021/5031026/#p5052831Machine God no, of course we shouldn't touch their minds! That would defeat the whole point of making them highly intelligent and capable. Besides, who even considers morale boosting for space marines or knock off SM, their built with as high as morale and unshakability from the get go. I guess my mistake is that in general I still see the mortals as our backbone since they would proportionally be the most numerous of our forces, the sledgehammer to the acillians scalpel.What I actually meant to ask is if we could mitigate morale issues from our mortals or the mortals from planets who join our federal empire. Because from what I gather at least from the Mechanicus game, a lot of Skitarii aren't even afforded emotional or pain dampeners. Beneath all that metal, still lies the fragile psyche of what would have been a guardsman, a normal human (or in the case of forge world PDF really they are just guardsmen).Would Talos be opposed to doling out more emotional suppressants or morale boosters to mortals? I kinda wanna say that the old decision was regarding Acillians, and there is room for him to differentiate between the two. It just seems a bit more humane, that when a Skitarii or a mortal under our charge faces death, horror and madness that we give them the cool mercy of the Omnissiah to help them against these things. So that they might face death with the same stalwart resolution of the blessed machine. Also because a lot of techpriests already do that too anyway. Less that it would get rid of morale for our mortals, which as mentioned before is not possible (even emotionless techpriests can break and run if success chances reach null and death percentages approach 100%). But it could help. Also because OOC Nurgle faction basically does that for precedence, resistance to pain and despair through resolution and purpose, but in a much perverted way. Where as we would be applying science and technology to their brains and nervous systems and instilling the unwavering obedience of machine thought. Would that be allowed for our mortals or is it locked out? (obviously not now it's literally a invasion day)
Pretty sure Slaanesh does that too, mutating heretics so that they perceive pain as pleasure and see ugly mutations as divine and beautiful.
>>5218563>Ultimate Defence, for the reasons of Morale.
>>5218955Um, they already have that. Skitarii and Space Marines have the same Leadership Values.
>>5219047Oh. Well in that case, great! I guess sometimes vidya and black library takes liberties with lore, but the stats stay the same. I'll refer more to the hard numbers then. If our Skitarii/augmented mortals can be said to already have fear and pain dampeners, morale resilience on par with Acillians, and not much room for Talos to improve, then that is a great boon to know. Maybe a lot of past conjectures and idea can be just abstracted, especially if they mechanically or plotwise don't make a big difference.I guess then picking quest actions that boost morale for our armies/fleets could then be interpreted as less "make the guardsmen not shit themselves" but more "inspire fervor and make the skitarii even more eager to kill to last drop of black blood." Like encouraging a machine spirits.
I thought skitarii rangers had ld 6 while tactical marines have ld 7
>>5219147Looks like you are right, but they out-compete thei Guardsmen Rivals. My mistake it seems.
I went to look up and compare some units and learn more about 40k.https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/the-rules/playing-this-game/bit of an OOC/meta post so spoiler to avoid clutter You can correct me if I'm wrong. I think 9e has morale phases. Each turn, you pick a unit that sustains model losses, and you roll a morale check. (1d6 + # of models lost that turn). If the check is higher than the units highest LD (typically the officer if he's alive), a model flees. Then roll attrition for each remaining model, every value over LD results in another model gone. (This can be interpreted differently. Conscripts and grots might flee in terror, while space marines might just be guarding the dead's geneseeds or doing staged withdrawal). The main nuance seems to be various codexes rules/abilities that buff morale, and also the size of a unit.For example, a Kastellan Robots and Necron Warriors both have LD 10.The catch is Kastellan robots has 4-6 models, and Necron Warriors can be 10-20 models.Supposing you critfail and get a 6. For a group of 6, you'd need 5 whole kastellans destroyed just to force the last one retreat (probably Kastellan's machine spirit realizes the material cost of the current program is unacceptable). A group of 5 Kastellans or less is sorta unbreakable without additional penalties. This makes sense I think, a whole lot of your comrades dying is worse than if there's only a few of you, even for robots.For the Necron Warriors, if they critfail a 6 they need to lose 5 models to break. Breaking Necron warriors is implausible with LD 10, but still more possible than a small Kastellan squad. Which also makes sense, since Necrons still have a remnant of consciousness while Kastellans are automata.tl;dr Higher Leadership + Smaller # of models per unit = approximate estimation of in setting resistance to morale failure?>>5219156Skitarii Ranger and Guardsmen Infantry both have LD 6 apparently, but there might be more nuance in their faction rules.I think Wrath and Glory sheds a better light on it though, cause they have this attribute rule:>Lobotomised Efficiency>You gain +Double Rank to your Conviction and ResolveSo if our Skitarii have had their minds adjusted, they would indeed have an advantage over baseline guardsmen.
>>5219199Look man, we can argue Leadership all we want but it does not change the fact that you are going to fully ignore morale thanks to TalOS's own actions. He's not the kind of person to purposefully lobotomize people to get a 15% increase in standard efficiency while also neglecting that people with High Morale can do 'heroic' feats. tl:dr, He's not Perturabo.
Conservations>>5218586Ultimate Defence>>5219031>>5218654Gathering Data>>5218604>>5218644>>5218736>>5218831>>5218891
>>5219322I'm not arguing for anything if that's what that post seems like it is, what you have going on is sound I was just trying to link it to the rules in a way we could compare different units and their morale easily using the numbers.For the most part, I think what happens to Skitarii counts as that attribute, it's left broad.>Effect: Through otherworldly discipline or surgical treatments you have been rendered immune to temptations of the flesh. I would count under that category the emotional core control that is present on all our Skitarii and our mortal auxilia, which you now have clarified we give to them >>5219047 Personally I want to think they can choose to still feel bravery, courage, and all that is good, but if the need arises they can quarantine the worst emotions and irrationalities. Many techpriest voluntarily reject the suppression of their emotions, Talos or Felicia Tayber and I suspect Uzi for example, but giving the option to our mortals is good. Basically since you said we're already doing that, we don't need to work on that front anymore because there isn't any more to do for it. That's what I was trying to say.
>>5219340Or in other words, I'd consider the sort of emotional controls the techpriest does to themselves or skitarii as a form of lobotomizational efficiency, i.e. "surgical treatments" via implantation of cybernetics. But that's semantics at this point.Our skitarii are better equipped for the trials of the mind and out-compete their guardsmen rivals. That's what matters, all is well.
Reality once again tore itself asunder to beckon the new arrivals into the realm of the Machine God. These arrivals were numerous and contained within their ships of rock, metal, and the occasional piece of Mitu Crystalline formations. While it had arrived on schedule the fleet was larger than previously thought. Upon realizing the ships coming into the system was the moment all systems of the Mechanicum were set to alert. Just as that was set numerous Monitor Ships awakened their Machine Spirits and aimed their armaments at the incoming horde of Ork. Upon seeing their new foe the Orks began their assault in the truest of fashions. Running towards the ships of the Mechanicum with a reckless abandon that would not be out of place with the Mechanicum’s own doctorine against the Mitu. This was within initial parameters and nothing held itself against the incoming forces. The speed they exhibited was immense. The rate they had thrown themselves towards the Mechanicum ships marked them as running faster than the 95% of known cases to the Mechanicum’s archives. Such a situation was marked for questioning and examination. With knowledge that they were approaching at incredible speeds a new order was given to the fleet of Tartarus Ships. With the command the ships began their route away from the Ork ships in what was an easily laid retreat. The Orks did not slow down even as the Mechanicum Ships began to grow to full speed. They seemingly were unconcerned thanks to the fact that they were slowly catching up to their prey and would surely ram them when the chance presented itself. As they did their retreat there was a sudden change to their demeanor. The Tartarus ships were given instruction to fall back and allow the Orks to get within range of the batteries built around Lucius. Upon reaching thirty light seconds from Lucius they quickly changed their direction and faced themselves towards the planet proper. Scanner systems failed to gather some sort of meaningful detection systems originating from the Orks so it must not have been new knowledge gleaned from intelligence systems. Thus the enigma was found. This situation was marked. These matters of knowledge did not matter to the Orks who quickly started to charge their way directly towards Lucius. Upon quick estimates of their velocity they were all roughly making a beeline towards the Blackstone Fortress.
Their approach was carried on with all the speed they had demonstrated previously. However it was marked that with the sudden change in direction many of the Orkish ships that previously weren’t destroyed either cracked under the G-Forces applied to them or collided into eachother upon the approach. This accounted for 25% of their casualties at the moment, with an additional 15% inflicted by the Tartarus Ships before their disengagement. Within roughly three minutes they were within range of the batteries that surrounded Lucius as well as the ships. Permission was given to open fire upon confirmation of range. Attacks slammed against the hulls of the Orkish ships. There were signs of primitive shielding technology among the horde of ships but the majority of them lacked their component. This caused what would have been a devastating charge against the massive Fortress to be whittled down into shrapnel and bits. Confirmation integrity was given to all battery stations as all but one rock belonging to the Orks survived. It was noted that when attacks were made against these ships the vessels that were previously going towards the Blackstone Fortress broke away in an attempt to attack the source. None of these ships were able to reach thanks to overwhelming power but this was an important fact. The last ship was marked to have made contact and rammed the Blackstone Fortress at immense speeds. This however failed to do superficial damage to the Fortress and resulted in the complete destruction of the enemy craft. It was noted that there were survivors among the wreck. These Survivors attempted to make entrance into the Blackstone Fortress but were ultimately either repelled or captured thanks to their low number. TalOS recorded the last of the information and placed it within the after-action report. It would take about an hour for the rest of the information from all sources to be trickled down to him but he felt this was accurate to the events that transpired. Soon it was time to present it for review to the assembled Court of War.
+With this report we have confirmed that the Orks are indeed targeting the Blackstone Fortress directly.+ TalOS declared as he gave a review of the events, +These Orks are also far more advanced than previous Ork encounters as they managed to not only have shields but additional thrust capabilities.+ +Do we know if it's because the Orks understand its significance?+ Asked Dux Dominus L0SC as he was surely replaying the report in his head. +There is only a 14% chance of that occurring, L0SC.+ Dux Dominus H3VST noted as he looked pained for the moment, +Arch Dominus, do you think this confirms that the Xenos perception of the signal the Fortress is true?+ +I can with a 67% certainty. We do not have all the information but it seems that without a real fight the Orks venture out to try and destroy the ‘buzzin’ that is ringing in their ears.+ The room was silent for a second as everyone began to process the information. The situation was more of an Open Forum, so while a chat room did exist it was mainly inhabited with spectators that were not a part of the Domini. +As a member of the Genetor Order, I cannot see any relation between Orks and the Blackstone Fortress.+ Declared Dux Dominus G0RT as he looked at the results, +Maybe the buzzing is its attempt to distract us before its ultimate fate?+ +A final scream of Xenos Abominable Intelligence.+ Dux Dominus KR0AK announced as he looked at the details, +We cannot lose such a Masterpiece however. Upon killing the AI we will be able to create the Nullification Aura across the entire sector and change the tides of battle!+ Upon that declaration a majority of the Tech Priests voiced their agreement. They had simply put too many resources and man-hours into the ship for it to lose it for reasons of subterfuge. TalOS recognized this fact as well, which meant they needed to figure out what to do about the fortress. >Leave it out front, that way it can suck up some of the rampaging Orks that were sure to come. >Hold it behind the artillery/batteries>Hold it behind Lucius to maximize the defence capability.
>>5219391>Hold it behind Lucius to maximize the defence capability.It's for the Mitu, not the Orks.
>>5219389Using momentum and gravity to make space roks collide as space roks do is genius. >>5219391>Hold it behind the artillery/batteriesThe scale of this fortress is massive. It's not going to be destroyed by the orks anytime soon. (Plus I suspect the null field will further hamper the orks when they land). That being said we should support it through reinforcements and blowing up every rok that tries to come close. Putting it behind the artillery and in front of lucius will achieve this in the best way.The artillery can continue to bombard the ork ships as they come in, where if the fortress where in front of them they could not do that nor if it was behind lucius. And Lucius, protected by the fortress, can keep sending in reinforcements, supplies and repairs to the fortress without being molested by the orks. as much.As a fortress station orbits around a planet to give it defense and is supported by smaller stations, that is the orthodox strategy and we should follow it.
>>5219391>Leave it out front, that way it can suck up some of the rampaging Orks that were sure to come.
>>5219391>Hold it behind Lucius to maximize the defence capabilityIt's not yet had its AI killed or has its null aura active. Keep it far away from the orks and Mitu. It might still try to betray us.
>>5219391>Hold it behind the artillery/batteries
>He's not the kind of person to purposefully lobotomize people to get a 15% increase in standard efficiencyUh, servitors? He wouldn't do it to *loyal* people, our sons and our Skitarii. I'm sure there are no qualms for traitors, xenos, and criminals tho. And the dead. Besides, as anon pointed, Cult Mechanicum are eager enough to shove wires and computers into their own brains without our help>>5219391>Hold it behind Lucius to maximize the defence capabilityI'm with >>5219403 >>5219486. I don't trust the fortress in its death throws, I trust it even less with Orks and aliens on it. Its up to something. Don't let them in. We built up Lucius once, we can rebuild it again.
>>5219391>Hold it behind Lucius to maximize the defence capability.Orcs will try to ignore Lucius to get to the fortress making them an easy prey
>>5219745Eh, I think what we'll more likely see is indeed the main body of orks bumrushing the fortress, but Lucius and the stations also getting hit waves of strays and loose roks too. Orks fleet maneuvers can resemble a meteor shower, hitting anything and everything in sight.Could be wrong though, and maybe they will intentionally try and direct every last rok onto the fortress. That's really good news since we have more opportunity to shoot them down that way with guns on Lucius, Stations, and the fleet.
Ya know, one benefit of these Ork Rok waves while Lucius is still operational, I'm betting we got drones and shuttles already harvesting the metal scrap and the metallic ores from them. We've got a forge world right here ready to process it. Praise the Machine God for small efficiencies.
Have we captured any orks alive or bodies to eat? Do we know who the Warboss is?
>>5219403>>5219391support. Let them come. I will not risk a blackstone fortress just to avoid superficial damage onto Lucius
>>5220084oh that is certanly to come in the next update>>5219863I agree. All the jummy scrap will be melted in the deepest bowels of a forge
>>5220246>>5220248Just a reminder to add a > to your support so it counts.
>>5219391>>Hold it behind Lucius to maximize the defence capability.
Hide it>>5219403>>5219582>>5219486>>5219724>>5219745>>5220282>>5219644Behind the Batteries>>5219493>>5219517>>5219413
>>5219644Good point, I guess it would mostly be those who are not loyal to him. Which now that I think about it could create a very interesting dynamic.
>>5219436I did not forget you btw. You're just the only guys who voted this option.
>>5220413Yeah.Iirc in the Great Crusade, Penal Regiments are even more huge than they were in 40k because of all the non-compliant human worlds and large scale warfare."There are those who undervalue the Penal Legions. But they should consider this: should a man who has wronged the Emperor be allowed to wrong him further? For each man executed is a man who can no longer serve, and to fail in service to the Emperor is the greatest of sins."—Leman Russ, Primarch of the Space Wolves Legion, Meditations on Imperial Command, Book XXI
>It's not evil if your underlings lobotomize themselves
>>5220513it's not hard to cut out the middle man when they cut out most of themselves.
>>5220513>>5220522The Flesh is WeakAll techpriest aspire to the blessed purity of the machine.We need to make sure to include in the FAG: "Do not deprive your skitarii the option of emotional cores" so that later in 40k they don't cheap out on them.
>>5220413>>5220446>>5220513'Undesirables' are perfectly fair game in Tal0S's eyes in general. See how he treats Hive worlds by throwing anyone he doesn't see as particularly useful for servitor conversion in general. I mean shit he industrialized the conversion process of Skitarri AND servitors when he started harvesting those Hive worlds in mass. Didn't he harvest like 1/5 of the population right away by throwing them straight up into servitors and skitarrii? Not even including whoever got grabbed for Techpriest, Ancillian, or Blank/spyker stores? Tal0S does not fuck around when it comes to recycling manpower.In worlds under his jurisdiction there wouldn't be ANY homeless or other undesirables because they would all be recycled into servitors or converted into Skitarii. On the other hand if you are in his good books your quality of life improvements will be much higher but Ommissiah save you should you be official undesirable lest they catch you for servitor fodder or forced enlistment treatment.They probably hunt gangers for sport in those Hive worlds now since they make 'excellent' donations to the Admech for skitarii recruitment programs and the low quality fodder will still make acceptable servitor stocks. Why kill or imprison a perfectly useful human when you can reuse/recycle them for the cause? Shit they probably don't even bother having prisons anymore but 'temporary holding facilities for future conversion'. A lot of new skitarri recruits are probably former PDF and gangers.
The chatter of the room was like a smoldering flame as the Tech Priests talked to one another in order to figure out the solution to the presented problem. Many of them threw in cordinates and battery formations in order to project the most proper formation of combat to protect the station.+The Fortress,+ One of the Domini began as they sent out a series of stats, +It will win us the war. If it wins us the war then we must place Lucius at risk for its safety.+ The room fell silent as those words were spoken. The Tech Priests looked at the Dominus with skepticism before looking over the values. There was confusion among the crowd before one of the other Domini voiced their thoughts. +The value you have given the Blackstone Fortress is far beyond initial calculations, why is that?+ +It will win us the war.+ Pointed out the Dominus as he sent out a review of information, +Arch Dominus, surely you have recognized such value.+ The Arch Dominus in question took a moment to read the room to take in the mood for but a second, +I have. Even with it only being a chance of success it would result in our absolute victory.+ +It is only a chance.+ Dux Dominus H3VST began, +But it is a chance that is growing with every piece of knowledge we gain of Nullification Technology. Support from the wisdom of the ancients I think it will grant us victory.+ A one two punch from the highest and second highest ranking Domini put a large damper upon those who might have condemned the issue. TalOS of course this entire time was thinking of something similar, it was best for him that someone else other than himself proposed such a solution. Then again the Blackstone Fortress was not his personal Project like the Acillians. The Blackstone Fortress for several years had been modified, experimented upon, and ultimately changed into something that Lucius itself created. Hell, if TalOS left them away for any longer they would have drilled upon the top pyramid Lucius ‘L’ to signify its allegiance to the planet. TalOS would have to consider such a thing. It would be the greatest signifier of whose Fortress it is. While TalOS allowed himself a moment of reprieve it did not mean this meeting was at its end.
+Besides the battle tactics of the Orks, we must prepare for the final battle.+ TalOS declared as he looked over the court assembled, +Hours before the Blackstone Fortress finishes our current estimates place the mass arrival of both the Mitu and the Orks coming to our system. Thus this court needs to decide we shall do about it.+ +From the Ritual of Consumption taken place by the Acillians.+ Dux Dominus H3VST announced to the crowd, +The Orks originate from the Sector known as Grail during the Federation Days. They are led by a Warboss known as ‘Snuku Slug Slamma’. We have identified him as originating from the Blood Axes Tribe of Orks which champions itself as the smartest Orks of their species.+ TalOS could hear a series of pistons and compressors go off from the crowd upon the declaration of Orks being smart. It was a novel concept for sure but everyone knew that the Dux Dominus was not joking. Thus their gears started to become irritated. +From our examination of Tactics they were rudimentary. A simple idea such as splitting a force in two pieces and attacking from both sides or firing anti-armor rounds into armored targets are the limits of their intelligence.+ The Dux Dominus supplemented his earlier explanation, +The issue becomes that they are a horde. They do not require advance tactics and squad formation to adequately do damage to their targets.+ There seemed to be a lot less sore gears upon that explanation as everyone accepted the knowledge for what it was. Only fools would ultimately reject the knowledge that was given to them. +The Second force that we are to face are of Admiral Carne.+ The Tech Priest announced as everyone was given a series of informational dabloids of his exploits, +He is a Sloog, one of the leading species among the Mitu. He has seen great gains against the Orks and is proficient in tactics. Ultimately he is the reason the raiding fleet decided to return to Lucius from Mitu Space.+There was a tinge of sadness and annoyance at the fact that TalOS was essentially defeated by the creature. Then again TalOS knew full well he would be forced to leave at any point and as luck would have it he learned of the coming approach of Orks against the planet of Lucius. +As he has faced Orks on dozens of occasions he is proficient in battle against the greenskins. I have estimated that he is skilled in ambush and defence tactics as those are the best weapons to use against the endless tide of green.+ Dux Dominus H3VST concluded with an air of accuracy, +His records that were able to be put together have shown him far less proficient in fighting an offensive fight. It does not mean he won’t try and pull something against us when the time comes.+ +That, my fellow Domini, are our enemies.+ The Dux Dominus finished with a courteous bow.
+I have gained some information that the Orks and the Mitu are at war.+ One of the Domini declared, +What are the chances they start to fight one another while near Lucius.+ Such a question was not really directed towards the speaker but the entire room. Everyone began to plan out and scheme as they edged out what variables to consider. +They will. It is non-exist scenarios where they would team up against us.+ A Tech Priest pointed out what the room itself began to agree upon. +It will be to our advantage then.+ Exclaimed a Dominus as they realized the truth, +However based on probability more than half of each force will still try to attack us directly unless we changed some plans.+ +To force either side to fight one another means we will need to give them points of interest to fight over. Thus we will need to look into advancing solar based installations on the nearby planets.+ +That does mean we will be weaker ourselves.+ Another Tech Priest explained with venerated knowledge, +Is such a lose acceptable upon the chance that they take the bait.+ +There is another solution.+ A Tech Priest put forward, +I think we can specifically counter the Mitu by allowing them access to Lucius itself. We might be able to fool them into devoting too many of their forces into a breach before closing it upon them and eliminating their infantry ships.+ +Risky.+ Another Tech Priest admitted, +But it is sound. It would also allow us to use our infantry and Knights against them with more effect. With all the Knights that Arch Dominus has brought here we will be able to repel any offensive with them and the Titan Legions.+ >Trick them into fighting one another>Lure them into doing a landing maneuver>The solid defence is the best situation. >Write ins
>>5220631>The solid defence is the best situation.
>>5220618>Didn't he harvest like 1/5 of the population right away by throwing them straight up into servitors and skitarrii?I'm unsure if they were servitorized or simply transferred to be forge world workers. Thats pretty dark if they were just all servitorized, innocent or guilty, without any sort of differentiaton, since we still have human workers on Lucius. Now it might have still happened out of Talos sight, because its just the way our society works right now.I have proposed more humane ways we could implement the servitorization process and methodology as well as the way we staff and organized forge worlds and hive/civilized worlds. A number of anons also had some qualms with the way current hive worlds are set up.Talos, as QM points out, has an element of humaness to him in that he would not be apathetic to his sons. I do think if given the opportunity he would want to be a bit like Guilliman to reorganize the Federal Empire to improve lives. He just never had any real opportunity to. I'd love to have an indepth discussion and planning with you all on stuff like this on that glorious day and thread if Talos can take a breather from fighting for his peoples survival, and can try to organize an empire, rather than scraping to build it. Guilliman got lucky by having 5 years of isolated warp storm peace and set up a system that he can model for further expansion. We can only hope for a similar opportunity.
>>5220631>Trick them into fighting one anotherEvery expenditure of our enemies upon each other, is one not against us, and one that buys us time.Trying to think of a clever write-in for this but it escapes me. I think its possible though, we just have to know and remember our enemies and how they act like and try to act around it more.
>>5220631>Trick them into fighting one anotherThe hard part is tricking the damned Mitu into fighting the Orks. Orks are easy just point out there are TWO groups to fight iwth instead of ONE. A two for one special and three way brawl for maximum fun! They'll go for it cause they are fucking orks.>>5220641Well at the time we had two Forge Worlds screeching at us for moar manpower as they were suffering crippling shortages along with need to expand manpower for military growth on top of that and we had accidentally made our servitors and skitarii conversion centers too efficient as well. While the FAG overhauls had yet to catch up in terms of fixing population growth which would require a couple of decades so we sorta mined the hive worlds for manpower completely. The poor bastards in the lower hives especially got hit hard really bad. As they weren't deemed worthwhile enough to be reeducated to be more valuable workers, clerks, or priests so...yeah.The only reason we didn't straight up strip even more from them is they still needed enough able bodies to defend themselves and barely self function. You really don't wanna be a underhiver atm as they were the first ones to be sacrificed as they were deemed the most 'expendable'.In terms of planning I think everyone agreed that Hive worlds are shit in literally everywhere. Personally I think he would dismantle them for archeotech and fully convert them into proper forge worlds since that is the only thing their good for considering all the insane pollution, manpower, and and industry they have. For other worlds we should avoid letting them turn into shitty hiveworlds if at all possible. Right now we just have Forge Worlds, Knight Worlds, and Backwater worlds. Really inefficient as hell to be honest. FAG only applies to Forge Worlds and it takes decades to fully implement.
>>5220677I agree with a lot of that yeah. Tbh, this is also why when we meet our brothers, I'd advocate for us to buddy up with Guilliman a lot. We have so much to gain from each other, his ability in politics, societal planning, and human logistics. And we can supply Ultramar with loads of resources and technology, and in turn we gain his knowledge in organizing not only Lucius but the Admech as a whole. Maybe even make it more resistant to the schism since preventing civil war is his specialty. Distance will be an issue, given we're on two different sectors, but I imagine we can also try and colonize planets and build void stations to increase speed of traffick between the two.I know a lot of people like Perturabo, Dorn, and others. Myself I'd love to see closer cooperation with Vulkan. But from a purely strategic, macro perspective, I do think Guilliman stands to offer us the most to helping our dreams of making, if not the Admech then at least the Lucius sector, a better place to live in. As he did in Ultramar.
>>5220701Mechanicum as whole view baseline humans as imperfect beings, genetors likes them even less. TalOS was raised with those values. Dorn and Perturabo was most alike and become a rivals. Vulkan is exact opposite of TalOS in viewing of humanity. Hell, TalOS has more chances to befriend Konrad by gifting him an Blackstone amulet or Angron by giving him a second brain or something than Vulkan
>>5220701On an individual basis Tal0S would get along best with Vulkan as they geek out over making shit and family. On a macro scale Guilliman is the best. Right now Tal0S just hasn't had the chance for a breather and to realize he needs to better plan how to manage the non Forge Worlds. As much as he would love to delve into technological development. It doesn't help with dad shows up he'll get shoved into being the Great Crusade's Quartermaster because holy shit look at all these problems he causing him when he's left to his own devices. As Tal0S does have a very deep understanding of logistics which is why he didn't cripple the Hive worlds and made FAG. The sheer volume of Skitarii and servitors he's able to convert is frankly absurd. He even refigured out how to mass produced ships again even if they are small picket ships. I mean shit throw in the FAG and Tal0S Genetor sponsored eugenics family planning it's only a matter of time before he explosively increases the number of Astartes recruitment population numbers. He may even outnumber the smurfs in terms of sheer Astarte numbers. Who will admittedly likely be broken up in order to provide the other Legions with Tech marines but still.In terms of preventing a schism that is going to happen no matter what. It's more about damage control and how not to die considering how badly the traitors are going to need Tal0S dead given his sheer importance to the loyalists given his specialty. I'm not sure if Guilliman can withstand Tal0S religious fervor, cowardice, and fear of the warp. The man has a personality that really doesn't mesh very well with many of his brothers given his frank fears, knowledge of the Warp, and cowardice. At the same time though you cannot exactly afford to piss off the quartermaster or else your precious logistics will get assraped in ways beyond imagination.
>>5220631>Lure them into doing a landing maneuverAcillians are the superior force on land. Especially when defending it. Best we use that.
>>5220752Cowardice? That's harsh. He hates the warp that is true, because he know what lurks there. He was tormented by it, lighter than Lorgar of course, and found solace in materium and Machine God. By your definition Angron fears the warp because it's cause him pain and Mortarion fears it because of unwanted mentorship in childhood.Being fearful and being coward is a different thing, IMHO.
>>5220752Here's the thing about the handling of the worlds Tal0S has gathered together, there has been almost no time put into how best to organize them and their running aside from the making of specific ships. We were most likely on track to start on that problem, but then the Mitu and Orks became a thingThat being said, the only solutions that come to mind are supplementary guidelines for the FAG and building upon the command structure of the Mechanicus. It would work, but there's obviously more problems that simple solutions won't fix, especially concerning Mezoa and how the balance of power would shift
>>5220631>Trick them into fighting one another
>>5220631>Land them.We just need to determine the most beneficial sacrifice.
>>5220751>Mechanicum as whole view baseline humans as imperfect beings, genetors likes them even less. TalOS was raised with those values.Well, firstly, I disagree about all generators disliking baseline humans. There are three philosophies of Genetor, bit like a scale.Primus Humanum revere the baseline human form, and regard the Emperor as the perfect example of it. They're the guys you call to make sure there aren't any adverse mutations in a population and I imagine they aren't too fond of abhumans.Apexists, who want to improve the human form to be stronger ala survival of the fittest/darwninism are the guys who like when human form shifts just a little to be better. Stronger, faster, harder. They likely have an appreciation for abhumans like Ogryn.Vogelists are the equivalent of xenarites to technology. Just add whatever the heck to the gene mix to make "humanity" the strongest there is. The more conservative of them will likely point to the astartes and the Emperors work, the more radical of them will likely just try to purify some alien genes to inject it without delving into actual heresy.Talos is the prime Mechanicus theologian, he would be able to appreciate the merits of all three. As long as the Vogelists don't try to go too far and do warp heresy, or the Primus Humanum don't try to halt the Machine Gods work.But to your third point, I disagree as I feel QM has wrote him somewhere between Primus and Apexist and that he appreciates the subtleties of baseline humanity. For example:>He still eats food and enjoys it, rather than nutrient dispense>He keeps his face, and much of his original body. For now>"There are times that I forget that the Human Spirit is as holy as Steel"Most of all QM directly says Talos is not Perturabo, and not apathetic to people. Or his loyal people at least. The Emperor created all the primarchs to, more or less, be caretakers of humanity in their own way. Some are more visibly present like Vulkan, Guilliman or Corax. Others subtle or unfortuantely mutiliated like Angrons Empath powers or even Curze caring about vengeance against the wicked. Talos I do believe leans more towards the former than the latter. If QM continues to present us with more questions/actions to this topic, we might even become as altruistic as Vulkan.And of course, every Primarch must be practical too. Even Vulkan could not stand the Exodite worship on Nocturne and ordered them all to be exterminated. Even he had to make the hard choices sometimes, but it did not make him any less caring for humanity at the end of the day.
>>5220761>>5220752He's not craven, I think, but on the relative scale of Primarch bravery or gungho like Russ or Curze or Angron who say fuck all and just charge into the jaws of death. . .Talos doesn't seem likely to do that unless very specific scenarios involving his faith like delving into Mars. But as a general, he's not one to agree to a duel if his army can win instead.Maybe not so much cowardice as paranoia. He might resembles Perturabo in that, as Guilliman said, rather than facing him with blade in hand he'd just "Try to obliterate me from afar". Because:1. Technology is Machine Gods gifts to mankind against danger2. The Great Work cannot continue if I am dead3. Must preserve my intellect so the Great Work can continueamong other reasons but those are the big ones I feel.4. Risking myself in a duel is not conducive to thisNow, even Peturabo did on occasion do something balsy like face down Angron in single combat with his men. But the question is, did he have absolute conviction in his calculations that he would win it, or did he take a chance. I'd like to imagine the former but its hard to say. Talos might choose to duel if he had absolute belief in either his faith in the Machine God and/or the odds that he would win, and if there was no other more efficient option I think but that scenario hasn't presented itself. However, at the end of the day, nothing stops primarchs who don't like him from calling him a coward anyway. But I think Talos would just shrug it off. He's got too much glorious work to do for the Machine God to care too much about the subtle jabs of others. Besides even Russ would sometimes punch Guilliman to the ground if he thought Roboute was being a nonce, and Roboute didn't hate his brother for it. He was just being honest and Guilliman respected that. Talos isn't like Fulgrim or Lorgar to hold a grudge over minor insults I feel.To a limit. If QMs foreshadowing of his interactions with Lorgar are to be taken into account, we aren't going to simply have friendly disagreements on the dialectics on theology. . .
>>5220966He is described frequently as afraid and terrified whenever the warp gets involved. It is just blatent cowardice, given he acts like a mortal man when he is a primarch with all the will and ability that entails.
>>5220970Maybe, but trying to hold the Primarchs as above humanity to the point of being inhuman is at the core of the downfall of the Imperium. Roboute was able to recognize that. The Emperor wanted tools, but created men who so desperately wished to be sons. Perturabo held himself so far above humanity, but at the end of the day, he craved his fathers love and the praise of his brothers more than anything. And he genuinely was afraid when climbing the mountain to meet the Emperor for the first time that his father would reject him. As any mortal man would.
>>5220631>Trick them into fighting one another>>5220970He's a very human primarch. He's the only one to not reject love. If he were a canon character, a line a lot of people would say of him is "he was one of the most human primarchs in the least human body"
>>5220752>I'm not sure if Guilliman can withstand Tal0S religious fervorOn this particular topic, I do want to say think while he might not appreciate the fact that Talos is religious, being an adherent to to the Imperial Truth (which he later admits was more due to his desire to follow the Emperor rather than naturally being inclined to it) I do not think it would be as bad as Lorgar.The difference is that the Imperial Cult is a proteolyzing, missionary faith. The Cult Mechanicus is not. If anything its more like a mix of Gnosticism and mechanical animism. You do not see tech-priests going about shouting gigantic faith rallies alongside sororitas to have the masses surrender their souls to the God Machine, crying at them to cast out the faithless and bow down. The Machine God has no use for blind fervor. If the common man works hard at the forge and respects machine spirits, that is enough. But He is by His nature a God of knowledge. The Cult Mechanicus is a secretive, selective faith for its cult, and a passive faith to the layman. A bit like how Judaism does not encourage missionary work to convert gentiles, citing that they worship enough just by being decent people and follow the laws of Noah (do not murder, do not lie, etc.). As long as your average human respects the machine spirits and do not perform tech-heresy, they really don't care too much about the personal beliefs of others not in the cult.In fact, the only way you can even learn the actual words and and rites of the machine god is to be worthy of becoming a cult member. You have to apply and be smart, no dumb people allowed.The Cult Mechanicus faith is not as intrusive as the Imperial Cult (unless we opt to have Talos change it). Many of our forge worlders may genuinely believe simply because of our works and because we're inspiring and a savior, but we don't care if they don't as long as they stay loyal. Lorgar would care that they don't.Vulkan himself was religious, with his Promethean Cult, but it too was not proselytizing beyond its own members. It also didn't promote a god but humanity. His Promethean Cult would pretty much act a lot like our Mechanicum Cult, it espouses good behavior and ideals, but it only really wants space marines and nocturnians to learn the mysteries. He was also fervent in his faith, but it did not result in friction between himself and Guilliman. Ferrus Manus also believed in Machine Spirits.Our religious ways are not Lorgars religious ways. Lorgar, like every other ecclesiarch, will just insistently say that "You guys will see, the Emperor is a god!" and try to convert his brothers.If Guilliman says he does not believe in a Machine God, Talos would be sad I think, but shrug. Not everyone will be blessed to be privvy to know the mysteries of the Machine God. Otherwise, they would not be mysteries. The Quest for Knowledge is a narrow path, you have to seek it, it does not seek you.
>>5220618I'm pretty sure they are just worker and (most) aren't servitors>>5220631As for my vote>Lure them into doing a landing maneuver
Some thoughts on Blood Axes which might help us come up with a good write-in plan for the upcoming invasion.If we are aware of Orks and their kulture and klans, either from previous battles with them or captured ork bodies, then we should remember their defining characteristics:-They have an appreciation for Federation technology and tactics, wanting to see themselves as cunning. This means they will act different from the standard ork, they will opt to withdraw if the situation calls for it, or dig trenches, or coordinate artillery and airstrikes, rather than the horde tactics of most other orks. This does however, mean this can be exploited more readily. If we can make this invasion of Lucius seem like it will result in their deaths with no gain, unlike other Ork WAAAGHs, they will choose to retreat to fight another day-They like to use stealth. So expect more attempts at stealth than normal-Many of them may be freebooters or the equivalent of Ork Mercenaries, in it for gain but less tied to the Warboss or the Klan-They are known, unique among the orks, to be willing to include non-Orks fight for among their ranks. While there wouldn't be many, there may be some humans, abhumans or even aliens among their number which could be persuaded to switch sides, defect, or be captured for better information-They may have a lot of looted or corrupted Federation technology. Tanks, guns, etc. Some of which might have enchained or tormented machine spirits, some which we could with faith and digital codes of zeal attempt set free, or rouse to rage to break free their captors and rampage. In the very least, the Imperium has been known to recapture tanks that were corrupted by Orks and repurify them. Heck they do so for Chaos, so many there's some value in this.-More importantly because they like Federation technology, they will want to loot ours. Our machines will be good bait for them as lures-Non-Blood Axe orks HATE Blood axe orks! They'd only follow them because they promise a good WAAAGH and seem like they can krump well and are big, but still untrustworhty. We can try to make them seem weak or incompetent, killing the lesser officers, and sow discord even if we can't snipe the warboss himself. Blood Axes may have a higher reliance upon their nobs to keep the rest of the waaagh in line than normal because of this.In essence, while they are still Orks, their strength and weakness we can exploit is that they act more like humans. Anticipate that they will use tactics and stealth, exploit and widen discontent and killing the officers, use technology and munitions as lures for bait, consider recapturing to purify or hacking stolen Federation technology to go haywire, try to sway or exploit non-human elements if present, and weaken them to the point that they see no benefit from continued war and will try to retreat to fight another day rather than expend the last of their lives and blood for nothing.I'll try to post some thoughts on the Mitu
>>5220631>The solid defence is the best situation. we should not give ground to the orks. once they get pieces of our tech they get way more dangerous.
>>5221022Lorgar tries to prove a point, against an Emperor who refuses to be a god and rebuffs his prayers, build a church that doesnt exist, and has to convince others he is right.Talos doesn't need to prove anything. He believes in the Omnissiah, who accepts his faith and answers his prayers, has entire planets as forge temples and the grand works of the ancients, and has no need to convince the those who don't want the Omnissiahs knowledge. Lorgar will literally cope and seethe at us just as badly as Perturabo did when Dorn said the Imperial Fists could best the Iron Warriors in a siege.
I should note that if you guys want anymore planning go ahead and suggest it so I can make a post for it. Once we are done here I plan to either do one more fluff post or just go straight into the final fight. Seems you all are enjoying the build up but all this build up needs to go somewhere!
>>5221194Plans generally are the first enemy casualty, but planning is useful. That said I'm trying to scrounge as much info on the Mitu from the past threads as I can to see if there's any way we can anticipate them.As a general planning thing, do we know enough of Blood Axes to implement this?>Exploit their strength and weakness. Anticipate that they will use tactics and stealth, exploit and widen discontent and killing the officers, use technology and munitions as lures for bait, consider recapturing to purify or hacking stolen Federation technology to go haywire, try to sway or exploit non-human elements if present, and weaken them to the point that they see no benefit from continued war and will try to retreat to fight another day rather than expend the last of their lives and blood for nothing.The using technology to lure them could be the key we need to get them to attack the Mitu more than us, by tactically deploying them in places that would cause the orks to run into the Mitu.
>>5221194Actually QM, while we have invaded some of their worlds and done boarding and fleet combat actions, and fight Plastoid homeworld, I don't recall if we've seen a Mitu invasion operation. Do the Mitu fight at all like the Plastoids or differently?How about the various hiveworlds and forge worlds who have been invaded and had their psykers abducted or culled. Can they say what the Mitu invasions are like?
>>5221194I have a question. How do we know the Mitu will attack at the same time as the Orks? Wouldn't the smart thing to do be to Orks defeat us or grind against us and then attack a weakened survivor? Are they desperate because we might activate the blackstone fortress soon?
>>5221222You see they see the Orks charging you and knowing that if the Orks win they will only get stronger. Also I want a big climatic battle.
>>5221226>How do you know your DM can't wait till the third arc.OrQM knows the heresy is still to far away.Not that I am complaining.
>>5221270You are very much correct. You guys have been salivating at the chance to meet and banter with other Primarchs so we might as well get there. Hell, we have 185+ years before the Heresy.
>>5220631>>Lure them into doing a landing maneuverI am not owrried about the mitu landing on the planet with their weak ass panzy panzy armies. That way even the God Machines will walk. The orcs do worry me a lot however. Them landing in Lucius will make them a hard to remove pest, being fungi and all
>>5221289Not just meeting the primarchs but all the other stuff we keep circling too.Kinda sad we arent gonna be presenting them with a completely conquered sector. But I think that's a tall order even for us. In canon it took three entire legions and auxilia fleets to finish the Mitu. Our best hope would probably have been to simply hold out and survive.Still did more than any other brother so we will have massive brag rights.
Okay, so looking back our biggest encounter with the Mitu was mostly last thread and this oneSome tidbits of information:>+Through the wars the Mitu have consistently left equipment, bodies, and occasionally themselves. We have been able to fight off a total of five invasion with the latest being roughly three years ago.+We've actually been able to hold off invasions before, maybe not of this size but we have experience so this is good. It's not our first rodeo.They have Sloogs as officers, protected by constructs. Their forces appear to be varied by different subspecies, like the Tau but unlike them no one species forms the predominant race I think.>+The Mitu believe the Orks to be an ancestral enemy of their people.+The Mitu despise the orks and see them the greater threat, we could give the Orks some gains in certain areas to tempt them to hold back their hated foe.We do know they have titans, but everyone has titans. They also do perform rituals as seen in the siege of the last city, like the Plastoids, so we can be able to detect those via psy-sensors.Honestly I don't see much in the way of hidden or past information that could give us a tactical breakthrough against them besides trying to target their leaders and their psychic crystals on their ships like before, but that's a given for any combat operation so just saying "kill the leaders and communications" is kinda redundant. But it does lead me to think that where we can, letting them fight the Orks other than us is still a good idea. In the least we should try to throw up as much interference on them. Perhaps if we can capture or crash the ships of Ork Wyrboys to unleash them on their command ships thats the sort of interference we could do.The only other possibly unique thing we can try to do is try to make knock-off Psych-Out grenades or explosive shell for our best officers who will be leading any boarding assaults on enemy commanders. Psych-Out weapons are made from either the bodies and ash of dead pariahs, or in 40k some of the dust that flakes off the Emperors body. Now, we absolutely should not harm two dear kiddos Triga and Vera and any other nulls we have. But they could use a hair cut perhaps. . .
>>5221417Thinking about that actually happening is pretty funny. Admiral Carne: "Foolish human, did you truly believe a pitiful grenade could harm me? My psychic shield has withstood your melta bombs!"Carne two seconds later
>>5221429pocket hairFinally, a weapon to surpass Metal Gear Titans.
>>5221406Thanks to your starting position you guys are going to be picked up really fucking early.
Solid Defense>>5220640>>5221127Trick them>>5220660>>5220949>>5220677>>5220975Lure them>>5220754>>5220951>>5221335>>5221032Someone wanna confirm these are infact the votes?
>>5221501I think it checks out QM
>>5221509You took your sweet time to put in a vote. Unless things change while writting though I think we will go with a mix with the majority in forcing a grander fight.
>>5221518Was waiting if someone would come up with a good write in but no one was able Mix is better though if we can do that imo.
TalOS passively listened to the rulings and batter that the Tech Priests were sharing with one another. This was simply one of the greater reasons that sessions like this one were held. Everyone was given the chance to talk to one another to try and create the most optimal solution. With enough use of Logic Matrices it would make sense that at least one of the many optimal solutions could be found. +My fellow Domini.+ TalOS said as he finished listening to their talks, +I feel that both solutions have their own merit and that instead we should employ a mix of those tactics.+ With those words the entire room’s attention was wrapped up to TalOS. While he was young, being both the architect of the Plastoids destruction and Arch Dominus gave him a great amount of sway over those who were far older than him. +By using forward defensive structures to draw the ire of the Xenos away from Lucius and upon one another will use resources that previously could be used towards defence. We still have a great amount of resources in that of our terrestrial forces which can be used to supplement our previous loses.+ There was a moment of chatter among the Tech Priests. Such a thought and idea was being processed and molded by the court of war in a rather interesting way if TalOS was honest. +I think a fusion of the ideas would work.+ Declared a Dux Dominus from one side of the room, +It will maximize the use of our resources. As for any Ork Incursion upon Lucius, it will take time but it can be cleaned up.+ +I throw in my support!+ +It is sound in reason and mind.+ Quickly the room began to throw their backing with the solution. Something that TalOS loved to hear among his peers. This was the moment the Federation of Lucius would be defending itself against the horrors of the universe and warp. +Then we shall start organizing this stratagem.+ TalOS declared as his voice boomed through the hall, +My fellow Priests, let us see the destruction of these foul Xenos.+
The Orks came rushing into the system with the same speed as always. Immediately after they entered however they began to receive a bountiful amount of gunfire devoted to their destruction. Orks being Orks they quickly started making their way towards the nearby station. The station, which was settled upon a small moon that orbited a gas giant, was soon under the bombardment and attack of the Orks who wanted to have the greatest amounts of fun. Just as predicted the Orks went hook line and sinker for the forward fortification without even a second thought. After these Orks went for the base through another wave of Orks came crashing into the system. With the fortification occupied they were not distracted and thus went right for Lucius proper. Now there were a number of fortresses between Lucius and them but TalOS simply wanted to wipe these Orks out. They were not part of the experiment. Monitor Craft upon a single command moved themselves into position and started their bombardment of the Orkish ships. The sight of the numerous rocks the Orks called Space Ships crumbled as they were pelted. It took about a minute but these orks were annihilated by the barrage. Just as they were destroyed the Monitor Ships turned themselves towards another direction as more Ork ships began to come out into the system. They were obliterated with the same proficiency as their comrades were. +They attempted to flank us.+ TalOS summarize the actions of the Orks as he looked at the holo vid showing the realm of space, +Our intel was not wrong.+ +Do they gain more intelligence the larger they are?+ asked Dux Dominus H3VST as he looked over the report. +Denial, this horde of Orks are not unified like that.+ Answered Dux Dominus D3X as he looked over the display himself, +That fleet was likely led by a true Blood Axe. The previous ones were of different breeds.+ +Dux Dominus D3X is correct.+ TalOS answered as he looked over the display, +The main fleet is currently approaching us. We are three days away after all and the frequency of attacks are growing.+ +Indeed. The Mitu have scouted the system already from our records. They know as well as the Orks.+ +War is upon us.+ TalOS answered as he looked at the system.
+Arch Dominus, I shall take care of this wave of Xenos.+ Dux DOminus H3VST told TalOS as he inserted a Mechanrite into the display, +It will give you the chance to do last minute examination of the defences.+ +Thanks.+ TalOS gave a small smile to his fellow before turning about, +Dux Dominus D3X, do you wish to join me in this endeavor? You know the defenses of Lucius more than myself after all.+ +I shall.+ D3X answered before following the Primarch out of the room and into the halls. TalOS looked at the walls of the Blackstone fortress with a sort of peace, +Everyone has outdone themselves. Even the most simple of halls would be beautiful according to the Knights of Dutonis.+ +Assembling information, it is thanks to the resources and time we were afforded by your conquests.+ Answered D3X as he continued walking forward, +The Artisan Order could not stay back and allow anything less to leave Lucius.+ TalOS could not help but give a small laugh to that, +’Quality over everything else’, if I recall correctly. I do wonder if the Artisans will hold as much sway on other Forge Worlds like ours.+ +Processing, likely but rare.+ +Then do you think there is a Forge World where the Generators have the same sway?++Comprehending, cannot comprehend.+ +Impossible to comprehend?+ TalOS told the fellow with a smirk, +You hurt me.+ +It is simply logic. Summarizing thought, if you were found upon another Forge World earlier in its lifetime it would be possible. Thus, base on the nature of your person, it can be surmised that such a situation has never occured.+ TalOS gave a light glare to the fellow, +Maybe I can do just that and make my own Forge World.+ +You will not.+ +Never say never.+ +Counter point, you will be too busy.+ +I shall look into making myself time then.+
As the conversation started to end TalOS felt a subtle force coming upon it. It was a force that TalOS had grown very familiar with and his attention sprung to a new topic, +What about the Nulls? I think a Genetor Forge World could be built around them.+ +Counter, refer to previous argument.+ +But they do have value, would you not agree?+ +Immense value.+ D3X said immediately as he was no fool, +But it has not happened yet due to rarity.+ +It would be something to consider.+ TalOS told him as they passed the door. Instead of moving forward D3X stood before the door, +Realization, they are too useful to keep from the war.+ TalOS turned towards his friend with a bit of confusion, +They do not have any combat potential.+ +You know it too.+ the Dux Dominus pointed out, +As you shall be stationed upon the Blackstone Fortress it will likely be attacked by both sides even with its position. To give ultimate safety, as we fight two psychically sensitive races, it would be paramount to have your nullifiers nearby in the bridge.+ TalOS wanted to go against those words but they rang true. The Nulls that were currently in containment still had their effects even at such a young age. Why, if TalOS is lucky, he might learn something from their presence during the fight. Additionally his Acillians Steel Wardens can easily watch over them. >Take the risk, position them at the bridge>Leave them in their isolation>Send them to Lucius proper for their safety.
I have just discovered a source of pictures. Felicia Tayber for admech females and Space Control Dubai for people in robes looking at computers.
>>5221590Felicia Tayber is a great example for a low-aug techpriestess. In the Cain book they didn't let her be a techpriest but an enginseer because of her "weakness of flesh". They just gave her one mechandrite tail.Also, Cain would end up knowing where her spine connects to her body and was on first name basis with her by the end of the campaignShe does have a lot of good fanart, plus later on she becomes a real techpriestess and has her upper head metallicized.
>>5221585Artisans are awesome, hope we can actually do make a Culture Techpriest as part of our retinue one day>+I shall look into making myself time then.+I have a bad feeling this is gonna be a very oft thing Talos is gonna face>>5221586I kind of wish we could ask them their opinion.QM do we know how they would probably feel about this?
>>5221586>>Send them to Lucius proper for their safety.
>>5221612They're kids. They would love to hang out in a war room and watch all the pretty colors.
>>5221624Tell them the risk at least>Take the risk, position them at the bridge
>>5221586>Take the risk, position them at the bridge
>>5221586>Send them to Lucius proper for their safety.they are both our children to protect and investments to be kept safe.
>>5221586>Take the risk, position them at the bridgeThe second safest place in the universe is next to a Primarch, with the safest being next to the Emperor of course.
>>5221586>Take the risk, position them at the bridgeI dont think Lucius is safer than being where a Primarch is there to protect you. Also they would make sure no psychic bullshit happen from the fortess' dying warp spiritWe can also give them some protection like the best forcefields we can spare
>>5221671The Emperor on Terra at least.Not quite so the Emperor on the Vengeful Spirit.
>>5221586>Take the risk, position them at the bridgeLucius is not a safest place because it is a bait for orks, the safest place is funnily the Blackstone fortress
>>5221586>Take the risk, position them at the bridgeTalos would never permit any bridge of his not to have at least 20 turrets with incorruptible machine spirits bound to him, multiple layers of every shield type that allows for directional fire, and an armory with every type of his favorite guns. There's nowhere safer to be.
>>5221586>Send them to Lucius proper for their safety.The Sloog will land and feel weird.
>>5221672Can they even use a forcefield since Force Fields use the Warp?
>>5222098I meant Blanks using forcefield...
>>5222100The Sister of Silences have a cape with a powerful refractor shield on it.And I don't remember ever reading if a blank's presence messes with a void or a displacer shield, but I haven't read very book or remember every line.
>>5222098>>5222100Very few force fields of Imperial Technology are warp based QM, as far as I'm aware.The only people who tend to use actually pyschic shields are Thousand Sons, or Chaos who replace their void shield generators with corrupted warp field meat mutation bullshit. They arent' called force fields they are called "kines" to differentiate them.
>>5222158>>5222100Hmm, apparently the wiki says that Void Shields use "Warp-Based" technology (not sure on the source for this).But the way most BL writers seem to treat it it acts more like technology, without blanks disrupting it. It's likely the answer to is same question why Blanks, or even the Black Ships of the Sisters of Silence loaded with Blanks and themselves can still open up warp and travel or follow the Astronomican. Because while Gellar-Field is technically warp tech, it creates a bubble of reality around the ship instead.Also they aren't the only type of shield tech the Imperium uses. There's Refractor Fields, Repulsor Fields, Atomantic Shields, Ion Shields, Mag-Inverters, Construct Shields. Cawl seems to favor Conversion shields personally. However, we know for a fact there are in deed non-warp based shields such as the Quantum Shielding deployed by the necrons which use only the laws of physics.From what I can tell the truly psychic based shields are thishttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cults_of_the_Thousand_Sons>The Raptorae are telekines, trained in using their own telekinetic power as a means of both offense and defense>Defensively, they generate 'kine shields', barriers of invisible physical force that blocked attacks
>>5222168And of course the shields produced by Eldar/Orks and the rest of the galaxy's abominables.With Orks its hard to say what you're dealing with too, sometimes the tech is just tech like reverse engineered battlemoon Tellyporta's that still worked for humans to transport the moon of Deimos or the planet Armageddon. Other times its very much WAAAGH/Ork Hype powered and will not work for humans. Felicia Tayber, a techpriest, was apparently able to make some Ork tech work for her though.As Talos said "do not try to understand the Orks" Besides, if Talos wanted to move a planet, I bet he could do better than some human Fabricator General tinkering with an Ork Battlemoon wreck.
Also in Pariah-Nexus, the power fields of Primaris Marines storm shields and the void shield of their ship in orbit also were still functional despite the effects of the Pariah field.
I want Eldrad to meet TalOS like he did Fulgrim what a wild dialogue that would be
>>5222299Szarekh the Silent King meeting him instead of Sanguineous would pose a potential existential crisis
Send them to Lucius>>5221618>>5221653>>5221930Take the Risks/Is it even a risk?>>5221649>>5221671>>5221672>>5221763>>5221929>>5221633
TalOS sat upon the command throne and watched as everything happened before him. The numerous movements and reviews of what was a nearly fifty member bridge worked tirelessly to get information from the front. For himself, TalOS was hooked into the massive network that spanned throughout the entire solar system. At any moment he could reach out and take over the vision of a Skitarii, give commands to an Acillian, and communicate with the Tech Priests on the ground. All of this he was able to do in real time thanks to the Noosphere network that was employed through every single building and Tech Priest present within the area. +Psi Activity rising.+ One of the Tech Priests declared, +The Horde of Orks are likely nearing the System now.+ +Do we have a vector?+ +At the primarch jump point, Arch Dominus.+ TalOS gave a nod as he heard that declaration. Everything was going according to his plans as he felt a small hand rest on his lap. +Are they coming?+ TalOS looked down to see Vera with a fearful expression upon her face while on her back the beeping of a Refractor Field rang. +They are though it is within our predictions.+ TalOS declared as he patted her on the head, +Just relax and watch. You will surely learn something by the end of this.+ +A-alright.+ She answered before getting on TalOS’s lap and settling down to see the massive picture that was the system before them. As she did this TalOS could only give a slight chuckle as he looked over and saw Trig sleeping. They had been waiting for an hour and without anything to do the kid decided it was a good time to get some rest it seems. +The Battle of Lucius officially begins now.+ TalOS announced as he waved a hand towards the screen, +I am sure the Mitu will not be far behind.+ As TalOS said those words numerous Warp signatures were sent throughout the room. Dozens of Warp Signatures made themselves known to the room. Sightings confirmed their existence as both containing rocks and crystalline formations from either side of those entering. The combatants have arrived. +Began the bombardment.+ TalOS declared as he began confirming targets.
XKY-8766 Alpha looked over the post with an eye of concern and knowledge. A few seconds ago the command panel began to blare the live hostiles across the entire network. The Priest who was handling communications and machinery sent out a new order to all the Skitarii that were present. ‘Secure the firing bay.’With his objective given the Vanguard Skitarii Alpha quickly started running down the halls along with his cohort. There was a silence only for a few seconds before the entire interior of the structure began to vibrate. It was a sign that bombardment began to fire throughout the fortification. They quickly arrived at the bay and opened the blast doors to be welcomed with the heat from another shot from the artillery cannon. Looking into the room 8766 watched as servitors and serfs began to load the cannon as a Servo-Skull watched them act. As they entered the skull turned towards them and scanned their persons before turning back towards the artillery crew. Quickly the Skitarii scanned the room and took in the place, his eyes darting from one place to another. Quickly the Machine Spirits within his view began marking locations of interest, such as the doors leading into the room and the artillery platform itself. ‘Secure the Firing Bay.’The Skitarii began his movement and started setting up what his objective was. >Prepare for a defence of the neighboring hallways>Organize the troops around the main gun>Set up a perimeter around the main gun, as Orks will likely come through the gun. Sorry for short update, but my brain is fucking with me today.
>>5222422Hmmm, its a pity we didn't also consider deploying large scale minefields close to the mandeville point. But maybe we already are and its just part of the background.>>5222424Oh this is neat, POV to front line soldiers. I'm guessing this is those forward planetary/space station defenses? Or is this a gun battery on the Blackstone Fortress itself.What kind of gun are we talking here, this isn't the supermassive blackstone fortress main weapon is it? Or is it one of the Macro-Cannons/Las batteries?Eitherway>Prepare for a defence of the neighboring hallwaysI really hope it doesn't come to the Orks attacking the Blackstone Fortress already, or worse one of the four big huge gun which I wasn't even aware was operational but by the time giant roks or ships have penetrated the shields to smash into the gun areas, more than likely the weapons will be unoprational and not able to fire or just plain clogged by debris. Furthermore when they crash into the forward gun batteries there's an explosion risk to anything we put around the guns themselves.So defending the hallways, bulkhead doors, and other chokepoints and defensible positions would be the way to go. It could keep the Orks from spreading from one gun battery to another via the hallways. Ideally they would already have turrets and other defenses already set up, but it could be we are short on time for that. Maybe they can at least set up a lot of Tarantula-Turrets if we didn't have time for built in shooters on the walls and ceiling.
>>5222424>Prepare defence of the hallwaysMake them bleed for every inch.
>>5222424>Prepare for a defence of the neighboring hallways
>>5222424Not sure where this is taking place either. Last minute defenses when the enemy has arrived, the Orks truly have rushed us to give little time to prepare>Prepare for a defense of the neighboring hallways
>>5222443>Set up a perimeter around the main gun, as Orks will likely come through the gun.Orks will loot.
>>5222443>>52224588766 is on one of the outer fortifications of the system. The fortifications you guys put in place to force the Mitu and Orks to fight over them.
>>5222424>Set up a perimeter around the main gun, as Orks will likely come through the gun.we will have to limit the Orks access to the gun at least until the Mitu come.
>>The fortifications you guys put in place to force the Mitu and Orks to fight over them.I just realized this bit.So these are the bait guys. I hope we designed these guns so that they can't easily be turned around on us and only fire in a specific direction.This is tricky. The Orks will at some point overrun the guns. The fact that they are doing this means they have already penetrated the fields of firepower and shields.However, we do want them to also attack the Mitu. . .Either we deprive them of the guns by blowing them up, but this means they can just move on and the Mitu might not see the point in attacking the orks over destroyed machinery.Or we let the Orks take the guns and perhaps turn them on the Mitu? With the Skitarii moving into the defensive hallways.Not sure here. Anyone else have ideas on which is the better option? Their the forward position nothing we can do will stop them from falling, but the goal was to optimize the chances that they clash with the Mitu and not us.
If the Orks will try to loot the guns first, the skitarii need to hold long enough for the Mitu to see this and move to prevent them>Set up a perimeter around the main gun, as Orks will likely come through the gun.
>>5222424>Set up a perimeter around the main gun, as Orks will likely come through the gun.
Prepare Defence of the Halls>>5222447>>5222451>>5222458>>5222443Orks are going to come through the gun...>>5222495>>5222610>>5222997>>5222476>>5222537
>>5223221I also want to vote for>set up a perimeter around the main gun.Just in case some sneaky sneaky last second voters show up. I like your quest QM. It's consistent
XKY-8766 felt his machine spirits give him instruction. As a Skitarii Alpha the Vanguard was a step over his fellow warriors in the art of leadership and ability but he still paled in comparison to the knowledge of both Machine Spirit and Tech Priest. Such acceptance of his lot in life that the Vanguard organized his forces around the gun itself. He noted that such arrangement was place forward by the Arch Dominus himself meaning there was some arcane form of lore that the Skitarii was not privy to. Thus wordlessly the Skitarii arranged themselves in what surely looked to be a firing cordon on the workers. Many of these workers, foreign to the idea of Skitarii and Lucius, looked at the forming barricades and wordless troops with horror. The only thing that forced them back into work was the beeping of the Servo-Skull that monitored their operation of the gun. As this installation was planned to be under siege the barricades employed were both many and able. Each and every one of them possessed some form of explosive so that when the Skitarii started their retreat they would be able to employ some form of scorched earth tactics. With their positions solidified they waited and watched. The crew of the artillery gun painfully placed another round into the massive gun and the nearby Servitor fired the gun into whatever fool decided to attack Lucius. XKY was curious, in a certain way, to what was happening out in space. It was not his duty but as preached he was expected to acquire as much knowledge as he could. Though was it really a desire from his doctrines or that of a simple human? He hoped it was the former, for the latter meant that his implants were malfunctioning. It was after that he felt one of his implants activate and his motor functions were yanked from him. He had heard from the Skitarii that such a feeling was jarring but to XKY it was sort of settling. Knowing that someone from far up above him was taking interest in his tasks meant that he was doing his duty. If he understood the Machine Spirits correctly, the one who had possessed him was none other than the Arch Dominus himself. Just as suddenly it came it left him. The simple knowledge that he was at the crux of action was something that the Skitarii could not hold back his excitement over. He gave out a ping to his lessers, and recently made Skitarii from the same planet as the artillery crew. He was given the affirmation that everyone was indeed in position.
The cannon was loaded, then shot. Loaded, then shot. Loaded again, and then shot again. His Machine Spirits alerted him that it had been four minutes since they had taken position over the gun. Every time the gun fired he felt his sensory organs drop just that little bit more in quality. If he was not one of the Vanguard he would have worried about losing the Tech Priests one of his organs that were gifted to him. He was a Vanguard equipped with a Radium Carbine however. He was expected to lose the quality in organs before either conversion, cancer, or simple death took him. With it being so quiet the Vanguard Alpha took out an Omnispex reader and began to scan the area. Whatever bits of knowledge this Machine Spirit could gleam was delivered in both a display and shot directly into his brain. It was then that he noticed a fuzziness with the results. He gave the Omnispex reader the subscribed knock to see if it would correct the issue and nothing came of it. Within a matter of seconds his mind began to race through issues with his device. As a Skitarii Alpha he took the best care with his machines that only the Engineers and Priesthood were above him. He ran through an ingrained list of procedures that he had taken and after twleve seconds found that he had done all that was instructed of him. While he did not like it he finally spoke, +Lord Dominus L3ST3R, my Omnispex system is failing and my Machine Spirits do not recall such an error happening in its history. I am sending you the information now.+ It took him about eighteen seconds but the package was sent from his databanks. It was only a matter of seconds before his sensory organs were taken over again and his Omnispex was forced upwards. As another shot of the artillery gun went off XKY spoke a line of occult binary that he never knew existed. The Omnispex flickered to life as the rear loading hatch to the gun opened. Several hostiles were alerted to the Skitarii within seconds. +Clear the firing deck!+ Shouted the Tech Priest who had possessed XKY as they forced the Skitarii to raise his Carbine against the targets. Within a second all of his lesser Skitarii did the same and the gunfire started. Within seconds the guns fired up with green radioactive blasts of power. They slammed into the metal cylinder that was the Artillery gun’s barrel without harming the metal. The sounds and hollars of those inside rang through the air as the Skitarii were scoring shots against the Orks inside. And like that the presence left the Skitarii. Whoever took over his systems must have had better things to look into.
Numerous hits were accounted for as the Skitarii set their Carbines to full automatic operation. As they fired the Skitarii registered the numerous bodies of Orks falling out of the gun through the breach port onto the grounds in front of them. These creatures that had been killed by the radium fire had their skin burnt and cindered by what was to them an invisible fire. The Orks were not easily put off and the moment they realized their over was blown began throwing themselves out of the gun with speed that betrayed their oddly built bodies. Quickly one of the Orks ran over to the nearest Skitarii and severed his head from his neck with a brutal swing of a combat knife. As the Orks filled through XKY felt his entire body overrode as numerous pieces of information began to flood him. He felt his mind began to flutter between himself and his lessers as they all fed information into one another about potential weak points in the enemy’s person. XKY quickly began scoring scorching after scorching shot against his enemies while also helping his fellows do the same. There was a problem with this Doctorina as the Skitarii under his command began to fall like flies. The Orks, being their brutish selves. Devoted himself completely to the full sale slaughter of anyone who was within melee. XKY knew from the Wargames that these Skitarii were currently having their bodies ripped because they simply could not think about melee. A few were able enough to score some form of hit but most were cut down to a man. Around seven of the original twenty skitarii were killed as the funnel of Orks stopped, likely because the gun was currently clogged up with their corpses. He sent a notification to the reigning Dominus who looked into the situation. The Skitarii waited before the Dominus gave him free reign over the situation. Such occurrences was not the norm but when it came down to it the Dominus was likely busy on his own thing. The Skitarii took a moment to look around and also scan the area. The serfs who were serving the gun were terrified but stayed behind the Skitarii in some vain hope of surviving through their sacrifice. He did not mind it as they were simply uninitiated in the ways of the Mechanicum. Scans gave him the ability to recognize that ultimately it was just them who had their gun clogged by Orks. This installation had a few other guns, all of which were currently under attack by whatever form of Orks and other Xenos there were. They could help clear out those insurgencies, try and get these humans to ultimate safety, or maybe they should see if they can make this gun operational again. >Help clear out the insurgents>Clear out the humans from the area>Get the gun operational again.
>>5223289>Clear out the humans from the areaThe point was to get orks and the mitu here and fighting each others right? So we did completed our objective, time to get the civilians out and hold the line to buy time for the fortress.
>>5223289>Get the gun operational againTheir job is to draw the orks attention and hold out long enough until the Mitu arrive. Their mission is a success once they are being shot at by Mitu ships who would then be attacking the orks. To do that, the guns must continue firing and drawing attention. Bring the flamers and eradication beams, clear the bodies, and restore firing capability.I pity the serfs and any armed civilians, but they knew the front is always the first to die. I hope they at least had the option to be provided emotioncores like all our other forces. Maybe they chose to stay unaugmented with full experience of their emotions including fear and face their deaths. Choosing to be afraid and face fear is a bravery of its own. >>5223294Unless the ork arrival was so catastrophically caught us off guard, we would have already evacuated any non combat civilians from the forward positions who could be brought to safety on Lucius. Anyone that remains likely was meant to be there to fight and to bolster the forces.
>>5223289>Get the gun operational again.Mitu haven't shown up yet which means we cannot yet withdraw. The orks are already sending in their kommandos. Meaning the Mitu should notice the following wave of ork reinforcements and hopefully intervene.
>>5223289>Get the gun working again.You were all sacrificial pawns from the beginning.
>>5223324That is likely what Perturabo may consider, pawns though necessary. Talos would agree the sacrifice is necessary, though rather than pawns they are noble servants and faithful of the Machine God.Consider especially the terrified serfs. They are there. They either volunteered or more likely were forced to be there, rather than lucius. They were not servitorized, for one reason or another. They're just men. And they would know that to be on the front line means death.Let us suppose they are considered imperial conscript units.Their leadership is 4, less than the 6 of normal guardsmen, servitors or skitarii. They have no veteran experience, not even augmetics.QM said all our forces can be granted augmetics like emotionvaults, but these have not. Which means they may have been offered the choice to suppress their fear like skitarii, but chose not to.They chose to face death head on, without reliance on the machine gods mercies of emotional suppression. That is a form of courage. Acillians are fearless, but these men choose to fear and fight to the death. They are more than pawns, they are the precious coin of mankind. To be well spent and never wasted.but yes in end they are still the bait
>>5223289>Get the gun operational again.Gotta get the Mitu here
>>5223289>Get the gun operational again.
>>5223289>Get the gun operational again.Pew pew
Clear the gun, serfs!>>5223316>>5223324>>5223311>>5223922>>5224014>>5224216>>5224266The Humanitarian Aim>>5223294>>5223442You're wrong, these are just plain serfs who were criminal/stupid enough to end up in the death trap but not criminal or stupid enough to become servitors.
>>5224338>You're wrong, these are just plain serfs who were criminal/stupid enough to end up in the death trap but not criminal or stupid enough to become servitors.I didn't mean servitorize them, I mean just offering them emotional vaults.There's a difference between techpriests/skitarii and servitors right? They both can have their brains emotional cores augmented, but in servitors the lose more of autonomy and intelligence in favor of just simple programming where the skitarii still have free will.Would Talos would be kind enough to offer even the lesser criminal/dumb serfs the option of emotional suppression like skitarii if they chose?
>>5224389I think you misunderstand. These people were shanghaied from their planet and forced into labor for the Mechanicum. You also must realize that these people were not under TalOS's control but that of other Magos. They were not offered augmetics and were the kind of folk who could not fit into a nine to five work hour that is now the Mechanicum standard. Yes, things are more humane, but there are still people who just can't do the most basic things.
With those choices given to him the Skitarii Alpha did not need a moment’s thought, “Serfs, clear the gun.” The unaugmented humans looked at him in pure horror. It was like the command was something of a devoted death sentence to their miserable existence. Thus the issue was obvious, that the emotions of the people were getting in the way of winning this battle. XKY’s logic processor began to figure out what was the problem, “I invoke the authority of Dominus L3ST3R for summary execution. Failure to comply with my commands shall result in the exercising of that authority.”That there was enough to make the unaugmented start to run back towards the gun. Unlike the Skitarii, these humans still held great value in their life. Upon that thought his matrix gave him a new command, “Reminder, your bodies are property of the Machine God and Consciousness was made by him. Upon your death you shall be returned to him to be reforged into the next consciousness. Serve him well so that you will temper yourselves for the future.” Such words did not seem to speed up the humans. Previous evidence showed that such an explanation would raise productivity by 15% which meant these people simply held the Machine God in no value. While he was thankful for all who came from Helmnet these dregs were more annoying than anything else. He watched as the humans took a series of tools and began cleaning the gun of all the corpses that were littered within it. There was a slight temptation to simply ignite the corpses with Radiation but XKY was quickly notified that it could endanger the sanctity of the gun. Since their aim was to arm the gun again he sent three of his lessers to assist in the rearming of the gun as the rest of his cohort took positions around the gun. XKY would not allow the Orks a chance to invade their workspace until they have fired the requisite amount of armaments. With the number of Skitarii lowered they did not need as many pieces of defenses they had. Thus XKY sent out a voiceless command to arrange some defenses so that the Orks would foolishly run up and start to employ them as proper pieces of cover. For themselves they still employed the standard amount of cover. It was more of a spartan formation but XKY knew that they would be overrun. Their fate was something that could not be changed no matter what they did. They would fight to the end doing what they were told to do. Fire this artillery gun.
The cleaning was almost finished when the first orks began to throw themselves into the room. Several guttural organic screams came through the room and almost terrified the serfs from their post. The only thing that kept them from running for the hills was ironically the gunfire that the Skitarii Vanguard sent back to the fool with impressive force. Such a thing to the Skitarii was not however unexpected as they still had the Doctorina downloaded to their brains from the Dominus. As he recieved the notification that the gun had finally been cleaned the XKY was able to clear out the first of the Orks charging them. He allowed his gun a moment to cool down and scanned the incoming forces for what was coming. He counted atleast twenty Orks coming towards then as well as an entire space ship at the other end of the compound. The vibrations and sounds of the artillery gun firing were music to XKY’s ears as he realized his current objective was a success. Seconds later he issued the commands to keep the gun safe as the numerous signatures on his Omnispex began running towards them. The twenty Orks that he detected threw themselves out into the room and ran themselves towards the gun. They sent a volley of gunfire that struck no skitarii and even missed the Serfs. The Vanguard gave them a retaliatory round of well aimed shots that shredded the Orks within seconds of their attempted assault. They were not the first ones as the Orks who were running behind them began taking cover at the barricades XKY built. With a simple thought the Machine Spirits activated themselves and exploded with the fury of the Machine God. The only thing that increased the Alpha’s pride was the sounds of the artillery gun firing off another round into the aether of space. After that he scanned the area and noticed numerous signatures that were around him. It did not take a fool to notice that the signatures were no longer just Ork but other. He quickly realized it to be the Mitu as the other end of the chamber quickly became alight with plasma fire. Quickly the lesser Skitarii threw themselves in the path of the attacks and defended the Alpha for a few moments he needed to take a series of shots back at the Xenos coming into the room. Within a second he realized he was outmatched and without care dropped his amament and ran towards the gun that was almost loaded. All the Serfs laid under his feet dead thanks to the flanking attack by the Xenos. The Skitarii who remained threw themselves onto the large piece of ammunition and pushed it into place before another rounds of shots from the Mitu cut them down to just XKY. With the gun loaded the Skitarii ran over and pulled the firing mechanism. His last moments of life were filled with the satisfaction that he fired off a third strike against the Xenos who came to attack his home.
TalOS watched as in its death throws the most far off fortress destroyed the Mitu Cruiser that had parked near it. The plan had occurred exactly how the Primarch desired it to go. The Mitu would surely have stayed back until the fortifications began firing at them from afar. Now forced closer the Orks had taken notice of their existance and was ramming themsleves into both the Mitu and Lucius. The Mitu, not wanting their hated enemy to gain any ground, has began assaulting the forward fortress of the Mechanicum with aggression. A Magos’s voice came into the ears of TalOS, +Our Control of Forward Fortifications rated at 28%. The Xenos cannot properly take the fortifications from one another as all are under equal seige.+ TalOS nodded as he received the information, +Then they have done well. We shall remember all the Skitarii, Tech Priests, and Menials that gave their lives for this success.+ +Orkish forces are currently attacking the satellite fortifications. They will attempt to invade Lucius directly within 10 minutes.+ Another Magos sounded off. +And of the Mitu?+ +They are holding back to secure positions. Estimates dictate they did not expect such large forces on both sides and is holding back for either reinforcements or situational change.+ +Interesting.+ As TalOS thought to himself he felt a slight tug at his robes, +Could they… know something we don’t?+ +That is very possible Vera…+ TalOS told her as he got an idea, +Using the Psi Sensors of the Blackstone Fortress do we detect any other places of activity? Such as dangerous Warp Points that could be to the Ork’s advantage?+ There was serval seconds of buzzing before the Magos spoke, +Spikes of activity happening in the galactic North. Like incoming ships.+ So a flank attempt? Was this an attempt by the Mitu or the Orks? Could they take advantage of the situation before their arrival? >Engage the incoming forces>Send a flanking fleet to attack the inactive mitu fleet>Focus energy into killing all those damn Orks.
>>5224394Gotcha. . .I should stop forgetting, though he is a Primarch, Talos not a dictator. He's the Arch Dominus. He works with and by the support others. It's a very interesting dynamic, and will be useful experience for him after all.>>5224403I love that anime film the image is from. I have the english dub for it that was taken down. It's a bit how I'd imagine a lower tech industrial world fortress hive.>>5224404This. This is the type of death in battle that may we one day offer to each and every human under our employ. Not terror, or fear, or agony like so many guardsmen. Purpose of the Machine God grants peace and satisfaction. Hail the Skitarii! >>5224406>Engage the incoming forces*probably should check if they are hostiles and which ones. It is the only unknown variable.
>>5224406>Send a flanking fleet to attack the inactive mitu fleetNothing like a double flank clusterfuck of a battle.
>>5224406>Double flank the Mitu
>>5224406>Send a flanking fleet to attack the inactive mitu fleet
>>5224406>>Send a flanking fleet to attack the inactive mitu fleetmore of a clustercuck!! Stress those cogtators and create more and more variables into the Mitu's puny brains!! the messier it gets the worse their precognition will work
>>5224406>Send a flanking fleet to attack the inactive mitu fleetForce them into a fight and the orks will follow.
>>5224406>Send a flanking fleet to attack the inactive mitu fleetThey need to get stuck in here with us and the Orks
FLANKING SPEED!!!>>5224449>>5224548>>5224550>>5224572>>5224841>>5224882>>5225128Engage the incoming forces>>5224441
Well, fuck. I changed computer and my notes were on my previous system. I will endevor to recover them, but at this point I don't count of it. So if I forgot things blame that.
TalOS thought to himself for a moment. There were plenty of good options that TalOS could devote himself to. Out of them however there was one simple option that seemed optimal for him. +We will prevent the Mitu from getting the stronghold they are seeking.+ TalOS declared as he had the screen before him to direct its attention to the small fleet, +They are likely to come forward once their main fleet comes into the system. We should seek to prevent them.+ +Understood, Arch Dominus.+ Answered a Tech Priest as they punched in a few commands. Upon his command a few Monitor Craft began moving themselves out of the Orbit of Lucius and rushing towards the Mitu Fleet. As there was no effort for stealth the Mitu Ships began to turn themselves to face the incoming fleet. While they did indeed face their enemies the Mitu were not close to being within firing range and began to suffer the bombardment of the ships. Several bolts of energy went sailing into the air and scaring the Mitu craft with brutal effect. Now that the Mitu knew they were in range they had a decision on whether they were to leave or continue to fight the incoming craft. Now the fact that the fleet split in half to perform both methods intrigued TalOS a good bit. It only answered his ideas on what was happening. +Prepare defences of the far flank for the Mitu. I believe they are trying to perform a coordinated landing in our flank.+ +Understood Arch Dominus.+ +Arch Dominus!+ A call from a Dominus called out, +Our primary defenses are being battered heavily. Permission to allow their relief?+ +Given, allow the Xenos to make planet fall.+ TalOS declared as he watched the battle continue to change. Upon that command a hile was made within the defenses of Lucius. The rocks that were the orkish ships began rushing past into the planet within the cordoned area that was created just for this occasion. TalOS had his trust placed in the Knights of Dutonis and those that were with them for that. As he saw that his attention was stretched towards the now arriving force of Mitu. Several rifts were being opened as the Mitu Collective emerged from the Warp and drove at full speed towards the defenses.